Third Party in US politics?

[Atvania]

The Libertarian party is almost always third.

[Regnum Dominae]

The Greens are delusional Luddites, the Libertarians are insanely extreme, and Constitutionalists hate the Constitution.

"OH NO! Someone supports environmental protection,localism, and grassroots democracy! Therefore they are crazy Luddites!"

Thank you for your ignorance and being a slave to mainstream parties,

They support worse than that. They are anti-nuclear, anti-GMO, anti-nanotechnology, anti-modern medicine, pro-homeopathy, anti-modern education, and anti-technology in general.

[Regnum Dominae]

Only if you hate society, civilization, and human progress.

Post list.

Huh?

[Desocia]

Absolutely not. American history has shown there is only going to be two dominant parties. This is the flaw with this system, there so much time and money wasted putting the other party down when we could united, under one party. Congress is just a wasteful place where you fight until your face turns red with no results. This is why George Wachington was against a two party system, he knew there would be massive disunity within the nation.

[Spartan Philidelphia]

Absolutely not. American history has shown there is only going to be two dominant parties. This is the flaw with this system, there so much time and money wasted putting the other party down when we could united, under one party. Congress is just a wasteful place where you fight until your face turns red with no results. This is why George Wachington was against a two party system, he knew there would be massive disunity within the nation.

I think George Washington was against political parties in general.

[Divair]

Post list.

Huh?

The list detailing why the Green Party is horrible.

[Sedikal]

While I will be reregistering as a Democrat (renouncing my membership to Social Democrats, USA) I think third parties are a good thing and would help better represent the views of America as many people feel that the parties don't have their best interest at heart and that's why some people just don't vote. It be nice to see a little Libertarians and Greens in the house and senate.

[Farnhamia]

The Libertarian party is almost always third.

1.2 million in 2012, 3rd. just over 500,000 in 2008 (they were fourth behind Nader). 300,000+ in 2004 (4th again). 384,000 in 2000 (5th).

[Farnhamia]

Absolutely not. American history has shown there is only going to be two dominant parties. This is the flaw with this system, there so much time and money wasted putting the other party down when we could united, under one party. Congress is just a wasteful place where you fight until your face turns red with no results. This is why George Wachington was against a two party system, he knew there would be massive disunity within the nation.

I think George Washington was against political parties in general.

Well, he died in 1799.

[NSG Senate Administrators]

EDIT: I swear I was logged in as Ainin...

[Woodstovia]

Communist/Socialist - Very few people would vote for them so it's pointless.
Libertarian and Social Democracy - very similar and Democrats fill that role anyway if I'm not mistaken.

I would go far a Centrist party, I think that it would gain a lot of support too because most people would agree to their ideas.

[Brocwika]

And that's the flaw with the two party system. One party wins, we all lose.

Unless it's the Democrats, of course.

Funny.

[Occupied Deutschland]

The Greens are delusional Luddites, the Libertarians are insanely extreme, and Constitutionalists hate the Constitution.

"OH NO! Someone supports environmental protection,localism, and grassroots democracy! Therefore they are crazy Luddites!"

Thank you for your ignorance and being a slave to mainstream parties,

The Green party does not support anything resembling environmental protection, they support a teeny bopper's 'noble savage' wet-dream of humanity living in harmony with nature and rubbing their genitals up against tree-bark.

Localism is dead, has been dead, and good riddance to it. Outside of a handful of tasks, it makes the world a worse place.

[Divair]

The Libertarian party is almost always third.

1.2 million in 2012, 3rd. just over 500,000 in 2008 (they were fourth behind Nader). 300,000+ in 2004 (4th again). 384,000 in 2000 (5th).

They got 1% of the vote in 1980, just like in 2012. They're not growing. They just fluctuate.

[Skenderos]

Absolutely not. American history has shown there is only going to be two dominant parties. This is the flaw with this system, there so much time and money wasted putting the other party down when we could united, under one party. Congress is just a wasteful place where you fight until your face turns red with no results. This is why George Wachington was against a two party system, he knew there would be massive disunity within the nation.

I think George Washington was against political parties in general.

He was. He called them factions.

[Solaray]

Communist/Socialist - Very few people would vote for them so it's pointless.
Libertarian and Social Democracy - very similar and Democrats fill that role anyway if I'm not mistaken.

I would go far a Centrist party, I think that it would gain a lot of support too because most people would agree to their ideas.

Isn't Reform fairly centrist?

[Ainin]

I'd love to see a true centre-left in the US that wasn't bordering on batshit insane. But chances of getting elected? Very slim to none. The US system is inherently broken.

[Regnum Dominae]

I'd love to see a true centre-left in the US that wasn't bordering on batshit insane. But chances of getting elected? Very slim to none. The US system is inherently broken.

Justice Party.

[Qubec]

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[Nationalist State of Knox]

It would be nice to have a Centrist Party.

[Brocwika]

"OH NO! Someone supports environmental protection,localism, and grassroots democracy! Therefore they are crazy Luddites!"

Thank you for your ignorance and being a slave to mainstream parties,

They support worse than that. They are anti-nuclear, anti-GMO, anti-nanotechnology, anti-modern medicine, pro-homeopathy, anti-modern education, and anti-technology in general.

>implying every Green Party member believes that.

Then of course, you're going to give the 'No true Scotsman' fallacy where you say "then you aren't a real Green Party Supporter if you don't believe that."

Can it with your 'anti-every party but the Democrat party' mentality.

[Regnum Dominae]

Huh?

The list detailing why the Green Party is horrible.

Here you go:

Excerpts from the Green platform:

1. The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, impartial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties.

19. Promote policies to encourage the people of the United States to watch less television, and instead to spend time with their families, friends and neighbors, and to engage in myriad other constructive, artistic or healthful pursuits.

j. Our government should establish a policy to abolish nuclear weapons.

2. The Green Party supports only the peaceful and sustainable exploration of Space, on a case-by-case, mission-specific basis, including the signing of the International Treaty for the Demilitarization of Space. The Green Party advocates a reduction of human-staffed space flight due to the high cost and risk for human life and the availability of automated technology that can perform necessary functions in space-based research.

Feelings of isolation and helplessness are common in America today. Children are increasingly shaped by an "electronic childhood" with little direct experience of nature and free play. Our families are scattered, our popular culture is crassly manipulated by the profit motives of increasingly concentrated media conglomerates, and our sense of community is a pale shadow of what earlier generations of Americans knew.

The Green Party strongly believes that quality of life is determined not only by material aspects that can be measured and counted, but also by elements that cannot be quantified. We firmly support the separation of church and state, but we also acknowledge the spiritual dimension of life, and we honor the cultivation of various types of spiritual experience in our diverse society.

We believe that artistic expression and a thriving structure of art institutions are key to community well-being. We believe that a deep and broad embrace of nonviolence is the only effective way to stop cycles of violence, from the home to the streets to the international level. We advocate a diverse system of education that would introduce children early to the wonders of the Great School (Nature), and would cultivate the wisdom of eco-education, eco-economics, eco-politics, and eco-culture. We seek to protect our children from the corrosive effects of mass culture that trains them to regard themselves first and foremost as consumers.

We support the shift in modern medicine to include healing through complementary therapies and engagement with the Great Hospital (Nature). We seek, in short, to facilitate the healthy unfolding of the person within the unfolding story of the family, community, bioregion, state, nation, and Earth community.

Greens support a wide-range of health care services, not just traditional medicine which too often emphasizes "a medical arms race" that relies upon high-tech intervention, surgical techniques and costly pharmaceuticals. Chronic conditions are often best cured by alternative medicine. We support the teaching, funding and practice of holistic health approaches and as appropriate, the use of complementary and alternative therapies such as herbal medicines, homeopathy, naturopathy, traditional Chinese medicine and other healing approaches.

e. Primary and preventive care as priorities, including wellness education about diet, nutrition and exercise; Holistic health including homeopathy, naturopathic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, herbalism and medical marijuana;

b. Switch to local food production and distribution. Localized, organic food production and distribution reduce fossil fuel usage and enriches soil that sequesters more carbon dioxide.

a. Many other solutions being pushed, including nuclear power, coal, industrial-scale biofuels, and low-grade fossil fuels such as oil shale and tar sands, create more problems than they solve.

The Green Party advocates the phase-out of nuclear and coal power plants. All processes associated with nuclear power are dangerous, from the mining of uranium to the transportation and disposal of the radioactive waste. Coal is the largest contributor to climate change with estimates as high as 80%.

a. The generation of nuclear waste must be halted. It is hazardous for thousands of years and there is no way to isolate it from the biosphere for the duration of its toxic life. We oppose public subsidies for nuclear power. Cost is another huge factor making it unfeasible, with each new nuclear power plant costing billions of dollars.

b. The Green Party calls for a formal moratorium on the construction of new nuclear power plants, the early retirement of existing nuclear power reactors, and the phase-out of technologies that use or produce nuclear waste, such as nuclear waste incinerators, food irradiators, and all uses of depleted uranium.

1. The Green Party recognizes that there is no such thing as nuclear waste "disposal." All six of the "low-level" nuclear waste dumps in the United States have leaked. There are no technological quick fixes that can effectively isolate nuclear waste from the biosphere for the duration of its hazardous life. Therefore, it is essential that generation of additional nuclear wastes be stopped.

2. The Green Party calls for the early retirement of nuclear power reactors as soon as possible (in no more than five years), and for a phase-out of other technologies that use or produce nuclear waste. These technologies include non-commercial nuclear reactors, reprocessing facilities, nuclear waste incinerators, food irradiators, and all commercial and military uses of depleted uranium.

13. Substitute chemical safety testing on animals with alternatives that do not use animals, wherever such alternative tests or testing strategies are available. (we are a long way from computer simulations that can replace animal testing - we can't even properly simulate protein folding yet

17. Ban indiscriminate wildlife "damage control practices" and abolish Wildlife Services.

14. Applying the Precautionary Principle to genetically modified organisms (GMOs), we support a moratorium until safety can be demonstrated by independent (non-corporate funded), long-term tests for food safety, genetic drift, resistance, soil health, effects on non-target organisms, and cumulative interactions.

5. We oppose monopolistic production of high-tech hybrid seeds. This is the basis of monoculture where agribusiness relies on non-sustainable methods such as single crop varieties bred with industrial traits and grown with high input of energy, chemicals, and pesticides. This has led to a massive loss of biodiversity, displacing traditional varieties and seed stocks.

1. Redirect the funds that are disbursed annually by the National Institutes of Health away from animal experiments and more towards direct health care, preventive medicine, and biomedical research using non-animal procedures such as clinical, epidemiological, and cell culture research.

2. Phase out the use of animals for consumer product testing, tobacco and alcohol testing, psychological testing, classroom demonstrations and dissections, weapons development and other military programs.

7. Ban sonar testing in the oceans.

We cannot rely on technological progress to solve ecological and long-term economic problems. Rather, we should endeavor to make lifestyle choices that reinforce a general equilibrium of humans with nature. This requires consciously choosing to foster environmentally sound technologies, whether they are newer or older technologies, rather than technologies conducive to conspicuous consumption and waste.
ment — a qualitative process not gauged by GDP growth and other measures that overlook ecological effects.

7. Establish local currencies such as Time Dollars, Ithaca Hours and BerkShares, to strengthen local economies.

9. Government has a vital role in breaking up software monopolies, not so much by filing antitrust suits, but by buying nothing but open systems. The U.S. Government and the larger states are buyers large enough to influence the computer and software systems through their purchasing. It should be illegal for a government agency to create and store information vital to its operations in a format it doesn't control. Governments should always consider storing information with open-source software and in-house staff instead of only commercial systems, vendors and software. One way to achieve this would be to add a virtual bid for in-house open source deployment whenever a software purchase goes out for bid.

The Green Party calls for a halt to nanotechnology development until the following conditions are met:
11. Development of full and open public debate about the implications of nanotechnology and the fusion of nanotech with biological, materials and information sciences.
12. Development of democratic public control mechanisms to regulate the direction of nanotechnology research and development.

[Aldheim]

I would go far a Centrist party, I think that it would gain a lot of support too because most people would agree to their ideas.

If you want a centrist party, there's really no reason you shouldn't just be a moderate Democrat.

[Farnhamia]

I'd love to see a true centre-left in the US that wasn't bordering on batshit insane. But chances of getting elected? Very slim to none. The US system is inherently broken.

Justice Party.

Maybe if they ran someone with a little more experience than Mayor of Salt Lake City.

[Divair]

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We should merge together to create a list-making team. We'll slowly destroy misconceptions and fallacies one at a time.