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What should be done in response to Russia's recent suppression of gay rights and right to assemble?

Move the Olympics to a different country
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19%
Boycott the Olympics
96
12%
Create the most fabulous Olympics ever
205
27%
Economic and trade sanctions until the crackdown on rights ends
97
13%
Go to war with Russia
39
5%
Nothing - Russia has the right to crack down on gay rights and right to assembly if they so choose
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:17 am

Just fuck Russia.

First, they ban "gay propaganda"

Now, gay teens are beaten.

What next? Executions?

Russia, you disgust me.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:17 am

Geilinor wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Goddamn, I cut myself on your edge, son.

This is disturbing, but I wouldn't expect any more from nazis.

Society is in a sad state when we can dismiss things like this by saying "They're Nazis, this is what these people do".

I'd say it's a bit different: the bad part of is that Russian society (or probably rather the government) lets these people do what they want to do. I don't think this would happen in civilized places. I hope.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:18 am

Atelia wrote:Being both a Russian and a Greek is fun. I get to support two unpopular opinions yay!


Most Russians despise F18.


Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Homophobia permeates Russian society like a highly-permeating thing.


Homophobia is one thing. Beating innocent people up, and possibly killing them, for your political gains, that's not just Homophobia. That's Terrorism. That's radically against everything that Russian Society stands for.


San Splendido wrote:I fear having a group of "others" to point your populace's frustration and anger at is rather convenient for dictators, so not much will be done about it.


The Russian Government previously arrested the leaders of F18. It's not their group by any stretch of the imagination, unless you're an "investigative reporter" working for the NY Post.


Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Far from surprising, Russia seems to be lousy with homophobia these days.

Clearly the neo-Nazi solution is to exterminate gay people so there are no homosexuals to have a phobia of.


Their solution is to exterminate everyone who opposes them. They must be stopped.


Rhodesi wrote:I would like to remind people that these groups are vigilantes, not backed by the Russian government.


THANK YOU!!!


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Fritzergald wrote:It makes Putin look bad... they won't be around much longer

I do not think Putin is that concerned about a group which he can always dismiss as "thugs who are in no way supported by the government".


They are thugs that aren't supported by the Government, that's a fact. Some of their members were previously arrested by the Government for doing the exact same thing to other ethnicities. This is terrorism, within Russia. There's no way the Government cannot act on this.


Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
State of the Church wrote:
Resisting to the massonic-satanic project.

The Church is the problem here.


The Russian Orthodox Church are no fans of F18 either.


Saiwania wrote:Gay people in general, aren't bothering any heterosexuals and they shouldn't be targeted for bullying and abuse. If the Russian authorities cared more about civil rights, they could easily do more of an effort to put a stop to this.


Their attacks against Gays started recently. The Russian Government aren't mind readers. That said, I fully expect the government to deal with these terrorists promptly.


Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
State of the Church wrote:
The Church doesn't exist anymore since the '60.

The Russian Orthodox Church is the largest Church in the entirety of Russia, with 74% of the Russian population being a part of it. Like any Orthodox Church, it strictly opposes homosexuality, and is thus unquestionably the main cause of homophobia in the Russian Federation.


Except that the Church has nothing to do with these vile attacks.
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Postby Las Tierras Verdes » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:20 am

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Las Tierras Verdes wrote:It's obvious El Diablo was behind this.


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Postby Ultrapia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:32 am

This is a disgusting act. These Neo-Nazis and skinhead thugs all across society, are one of the many reasons the human race is the worst and most dangerous species on the planet. Do we see dogs killing each over over which breed they are? These so called people are a stain on this planet. Foolish idiots, who wish to cause nothing but violence and pain.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:37 am

Mkuki wrote:Russian Neo-Nazis. One of the greatest possible paradoxes in history. On par with a Jewish Nazi.


I have to wonder why their minds aren't exploding.


Surfistan wrote:Digusting, disturbing and not at all surprising from the political hell hole called the Russian Federation.


Also Bush did 9/11, amirite? This has no support amongst the Russian Government, and practically no support from the Russian Society. F18 are terrorists. Russians despise terrorists. That one thing in Beslan in 2004, and Moscow in 2003, and... might have something to do with that.


Oneracon wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Gay people in general, aren't bothering any heterosexuals and they shouldn't be targeted for bullying and abuse. If the Russian authorities cared more about civil rights, they could easily do more of an effort to put a stop to this.


Russian authorities... caring about civil rights?

I really hope that was sarcastic.


In this specific case, I really hope it wasn't.


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Why? Russian doesn't mean communist.

No, but Russia (Along with the rest of the former USSR) was one of the primary forces that resulted in Nazi Germany's destruction. Not to mention the fact that they suffer atrocious losses at the hands of Nazi Gemrany. Now they have one of the largest groups of Neo-Nazis on the planet.


We do?


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State of the Church wrote:
They where communists. They deserved it.


The vast majority of the people the Nazi's killed were simply ordinary people, who didn't really give a damn about communism.


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Mkuki wrote:
State of the Church wrote:
They where communists. They deserved it.


Let me make one thing absolutely clear, genocide, mass murder, and mass rape is never, ever okay. It doesn't matter who the victims are. It doesn't matter who the perpetrator is. It isn't okay, it should never be okay, and I will never consider it okay.


^ This.

Oh, and I'm not a Commie.


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Herrebrugh wrote:


Heheheheh.

Anyway, they're Russian. It's not like anyone there cares either.


Russians not caring about Nazis? Did I miss a memo?


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State of the Church wrote:
No problem, I'm accustomed.

Maybe you should consider rethinking your ideology in that case.


^ This.


Regnum Dominae wrote:
Gross Skartphiche wrote:
Heheheheh.

Anyway, they're Russian. It's not like anyone there cares either.

The gay community in Russia cares.


Not just the Gay Community. I wouldn't be surprised in RuNet got involved, and crushed these terrorists.


State of the Church wrote:
Let me make one thing absolutely clear, genocide, mass murder, and mass rape is never, ever okay. It doesn't matter who the victims are. It doesn't matter who the perpetrator is. It isn't okay, it should never be okay, and I will never consider it okay.


The nazi invasion was self-defence against communism.


:rofl:


Albul wrote:EDIT: Let's get back to the topic at hand. The harassment of homosexual teens in Russia is allowed. What is your opinion?


This is terrorism. It's not allowed.


Gross Skartphiche wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:The gay community in Russia cares.


And they're Russian too so it's not like they count either.

Fuck those inbred morons. They have neo fucking nazis running riot over there. Nazis. In Russia. The same ideology that murdered 10 - 20 million of them. And they still love Stalin. The think Putin is alright too. Fuck.

Let 'em burn while I laugh.


More than 20 million. And most don't support Stalin. And if Putin supported what F18 did, he'd no longer be president of Russia.


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Cosmicus wrote:No, it was a random backstab on the USSR by the Germans, who were both pretty good friends before (non-aggression pact, and so on).

Weirdest friends to ever exist, though.


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Postby Oneracon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:43 am

Shofercia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Gay people in general, aren't bothering any heterosexuals and they shouldn't be targeted for bullying and abuse. If the Russian authorities cared more about civil rights, they could easily do more of an effort to put a stop to this.


Their attacks against Gays started recently. The Russian Government aren't mind readers. That said, I fully expect the government to deal with these terrorists promptly.


First, it's gay people. Not "gays".

Second, given the Russian government's attitude towards gay people (including allowing the arrest and detention of foreign citizens under their draconian "gay propaganda" law) indicates that they don't really care. Consider that this video was filmed in a public park in broad daylight, and no one did anything.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:48 am

State of the Church wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:The gay community in Russia cares.


The gay community of Russia should move to the USA.


No community should be forced to do anything in response to terror tactics.


Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Cosmicus wrote:No, it was a random backstab on the USSR by the Germans, who were both pretty good friends before (non-aggression pact, and so on).

Actually, the Nazis were well aware that the USSR was going to invade anyway, so they decided to invade the USSR on the basis that their strategy was entirely offensive.

They couldn't, and indeed didn't, withstand an invasion from the USSR. Their only chance of victory was an invasion, which very nearly succeeded.

Also they weren't "pretty good friends" - beyond the façade, they detested each other with a passion.


You're agreeing that Nazis invading the USSR was an act of self defense? :eek: :shock: :eek:


Jormengand wrote:Russia still contains some idiots. Homosexuals are still abused for their sexuality. News at fucking eleven.


This ^


Hornesia wrote:Russian Nazis, eh? Think it's time for some gay Russian Inglorious Bastards.


If they go up against F18, and groups like F18, I'd support them.


Wisconsin9 wrote:
State of the Church wrote:
The manipulated history of communist-leaded schools?

No, thanks, I'm not part of the flock.

Yeah, because there's nothing like forty years of rampant McCarthyism to convince the government to go red.


:rofl:

So very true :P


State of the Church wrote:
Albul wrote:With that logic, you are a communist with a communist education, thus making you an animal that deserves to die.


No, my education isn't the communist-leaded education.

I'm completely independent from the freemasonic manipulations.


Free Masons were Commies? :eek: :shock: :eek:


Hornesia wrote:
State of the Church wrote:
No, my education isn't the communist-leaded education.

I'm completely independent from the freemasonic manipulations.

Did Infowars create a Nationstates account?


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Postby Herrebrugh » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:48 am

Oneracon wrote:
Shofercia wrote:

Their attacks against Gays started recently. The Russian Government aren't mind readers. That said, I fully expect the government to deal with these terrorists promptly.


First, it's gay people. Not "gays".


As a gay person, I didn't know this :meh:
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:50 am

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Of course not, "teh gheys" are all too convenient of a target for Putin to distract his populace with so they don't know how badly everything else is going in the country.


Yeah! I'm sure it's very distracting to living standards that have greatly expanded and brought about a far bigger middle class, an economy that has become the 5th biggest in the world by PPP, social programs that have received huge increases over the years, unemployment brought to very low levels, stability,people living longer, etc.


Political corruption anyone? Also a government that claims to be a "managed democracy", which actually means authoritarianism. Russia isn't very far from China on the Democracy Index.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:51 am

Oneracon wrote:
Shofercia wrote:

Their attacks against Gays started recently. The Russian Government aren't mind readers. That said, I fully expect the government to deal with these terrorists promptly.


First, it's gay people. Not "gays".

Second, given the Russian government's attitude towards gay people (including allowing the arrest and detention of foreign citizens under their draconian "gay propaganda" law) indicates that they don't really care. Consider that this video was filmed in a public park in broad daylight, and no one did anything.


If I call Russian people, Russians, I can call Gay people, Gays. Also, this is TERRORISM. I fully expect the Russian Government to do something about it. On top of that, we're not seeing all of the background. We don't know if some of their members had weapons, and threatened anyone who wanted to intervene.
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Postby The Carlisle » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:52 am

Utterly disgusting. I hope Russian authorities move against these terrorists before they do anything worse to the LGBT community.
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Postby Oneracon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:53 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
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First, it's gay people. Not "gays".


As a gay person, I didn't know this :meh:


Sorry, it is just a pet peeve of mine. By morphing an adjective into a noun you remove the word "people", and passively strip the group you're referring to of their humanity.

It's become the buzzword of anti-gay groups, because it's a lot easier to hate a group of anonymous "gays" then a group of living, breathing complex human beings.

/minirant
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:54 am

The Carlisle wrote:Utterly disgusting. I hope Russian authorities move against these terrorists before they do anything worse to the LGBT community.

Would you also like a pony? Putin and his thugs probably support them.
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Postby The Carlisle » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:55 am

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:Utterly disgusting. I hope Russian authorities move against these terrorists before they do anything worse to the LGBT community.

Would you also like a pony? Putin and his thugs probably support them.

I very much doubt that Russian authorities would support terrorist acting against Russian citizens.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:56 am

The Carlisle wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Would you also like a pony? Putin and his thugs probably support them.

I very much doubt that Russian authorities would support terrorist acting against Russian citizens.

If they're the right inconvenient Russian citizens, they would.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:58 am

Oneracon wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
As a gay person, I didn't know this :meh:


Sorry, it is just a pet peeve of mine. By morphing an adjective into a noun you remove the word "people", and passively strip the group you're referring to of their humanity.

It's become the buzzword of anti-gay groups, because it's a lot easier to hate a group of anonymous "gays" then a group of living, breathing complex human beings.

/minirant

The word "gays" is usually used by people who are against homosexuality.
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Postby Oneracon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:59 am

Geilinor wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Sorry, it is just a pet peeve of mine. By morphing an adjective into a noun you remove the word "people", and passively strip the group you're referring to of their humanity.

It's become the buzzword of anti-gay groups, because it's a lot easier to hate a group of anonymous "gays" then a group of living, breathing complex human beings.

/minirant

The word "gays" is usually used by people who are against homosexuality.


That's what I said. You quoted before I made the correction above. :p
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Postby Herrebrugh » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:01 pm

Pff. We are much easier in Dutch. We just use "homo's".
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Northwest Slobovia wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:I very much doubt that Russian authorities would support terrorist acting against Russian citizens.

If they're the right inconvenient Russian citizens, they would.

We'll just have to wait and see over the next few days if anything happens.
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Postby Oneracon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:05 pm

The Carlisle wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Would you also like a pony? Putin and his thugs probably support them.

I very much doubt that Russian authorities would support terrorist acting against Russian citizens.


It's been four days... where is any response from any level of Russian government or law enforcement?
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:16 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I have watched the film. I have concluded it was a fabrication. Why would they take video evidence of this action. It makes no sense. This video, and indeed whole story is nothing but libel. The only people who would want visual evidence of these actions are the enimies of National Socialism.


Because that's how F18 operates. They use videos as part of their Terror Tactics.


Agritum wrote:Anyways, is the Russian Government even trying to take some sort of provision against this shit, or they are just letting it slide?


There's already a law against Terrorism. And again, I fully expect the Russian Government to act on this.


Wisconsin9 wrote:
The Misotheist Reich wrote:I have watched the film. I have concluded it was a fabrication. Why would they take video evidence of this action. It makes no sense. This video, and indeed whole story is nothing but libel. The only people who would want visual evidence of these actions are the enimies of National Socialism.

Because Russia's so fucked up they wouldn't get arrested, and probably so they could brag to their pals.


For this, they would get arrested. As they should.


The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Agritum wrote:Anyways, is the Russian Government even trying to take some sort of provision against this shit, or they are just letting it slide?

Im going to go out on a limb and say the latter.


I'll take that bet.


Oneracon wrote:I think he's just letting it slide (if not covertly supporting it).


This one too!


Munrova wrote:The best part about this is how the Nazis are trying to fight pedophilia, not by attacking the pedophiles, but by attacking potential victims. Nazi logic is "best" logic.


:rofl:

So true! :P


Cilistia Novaren wrote:Okay, wait a minute. Does this mean that Russia of all places openly allows Nazi groups to be a thing and is more tolerating of them than gay people?


FUCK NO!!!


Albul wrote:
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The topic is the freemasonic cultural and social dominance of the world, which created the homosexual archetipic scum.

So a homosexual is made by society? Then, shouldn't these neo-Nazis target everyone since, by your logic, everyone has the potential to be a homosexual?


I for one support Nazis targeting Nazis. It's time to purge Nazis from the Planet, and if Nazis help out, I support that :P


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Aequalitia wrote:And that is sadly why I don't think Russia goes do something about this.


Of course not, "teh gheys" are all too convenient of a target for Putin to distract his populace with so they don't know how badly everything else is going in the country.


Most things in Russia are improving.


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Yeah! I'm sure it's very distracting to living standards that have greatly expanded and brought about a far bigger middle class, an economy that has become the 5th biggest in the world by PPP, social programs that have received huge increases over the years, unemployment brought to very low levels, stability,people living longer, etc.

Wait...that's almost as silly as expecting that somehow anything to do with gays would be distracting people from noticing if their lives were worse.


Violence, terrorism, ethnic strife, mortality among Russian males have still increased 61% since 1991, electoral corruption...


You don't understand how arresting Rabid Racists will help Putin combat any of that?


Old Tyrannia wrote:I'm not sure what there is to say other than "fuck Nazism." All the more ironic that these people claim to be protecting children from abuse... By luring fifteen-year-olds to secluded places to abuse them. Wonderful logic you have there, gentlemen! I highly doubt, however, that this behaviour is endorsed by the Russian Orthodox Church. Homosexuality is considered a sin, but the Church is opposed to any violent or discriminatory behaviour towards homosexuals: http://rt.com/news/russian-church-accepts-gays/. Rather, the Church advocates an understanding approach- "hate the sin, love the sinner" being the appropriate biblical quote.

This is not religiously motivated.


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Aquafireland wrote:Why do they beat them up?
:blink:


They're neo-Nazis. They're not trained in the art of thinking.


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Rhodesi wrote:I would like to remind people that these groups are vigilantes, not backed by the Russian government.

The Russian government hasn't exactly condemned it. Those people took inspiration from the new laws.


I don't recall new laws repealing making terrorism a crime. Do you?


Blasveck wrote:Just fuck Russia.

First, they ban "gay propaganda"

Now, gay teens are beaten.

What next? Executions?

Russia, you disgust me.


Again, this isn't Russia. These are Neo-Nazis.


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The Carlisle wrote:Utterly disgusting. I hope Russian authorities move against these terrorists before they do anything worse to the LGBT community.

Would you also like a pony? Putin and his thugs probably support them.


No, they don't.


The Carlisle wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Would you also like a pony? Putin and his thugs probably support them.

I very much doubt that Russian authorities would support terrorist acting against Russian citizens.


This ^


Geilinor wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Sorry, it is just a pet peeve of mine. By morphing an adjective into a noun you remove the word "people", and passively strip the group you're referring to of their humanity.

It's become the buzzword of anti-gay groups, because it's a lot easier to hate a group of anonymous "gays" then a group of living, breathing complex human beings.

/minirant

The word "gays" is usually used by people who are against homosexuality.


This is the first time I hear it. I thought it was used by lazy people :P

Just to show that I'm not against Homosexuality: Gay People should have equal rights to Straight People.


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The Carlisle wrote:I very much doubt that Russian authorities would support terrorist acting against Russian citizens.


It's been four days... where is any response from any level of Russian government or law enforcement?


Probably gathering evidence, so that they can arrest all members of the group, or at least most of them, not just the ones who were on camera. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and see what I can do on RuNet to fight this bullshit. Terrorism is unacceptable. Period.
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Postby Oneracon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:20 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
It's been four days... where is any response from any level of Russian government or law enforcement?


Probably gathering evidence, so that they can arrest all members of the group, or at least most of them, not just the ones who were on camera. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and see what I can do on RuNet to fight this bullshit. Terrorism is unacceptable. Period.


I find it interesting that the local police wouldn't issue even the briefest of statements saying that such a blatant hate crime (or as you describe it, terrorist act) is unacceptable under Russian law and is being investigated.

Especially given that the eyes of the world are on Russia and its new crackdown on "homosexual propaganda" in the run up to the Sochi games.
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Postby Jamzmania » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:34 pm

This is... horrible. Those responsible should be arrested and sent to years of hard manual labor in the Russian gulags.
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Jamzmania wrote:This is... horrible. Those responsible should be arrested and sent to years of hard manual labor in the Russian gulags.

Don't they send left wingers to prisons, in Russia?
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