Russia - Gay Rights - Sochi Olympics Megathread

[Liriena]

What is the point? It is true. You are allowed to critise some tendencies of liberalism without being target as "racist".

Kiddo, criticism =/= censorship

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Fascism is not inherently rascist some leaders may have employed concentration camps but so did the British and Americans

Well, the point is they had just concetration camps as nazis, I want to say for the same purpose: to exterminate people (primarly Slavs). There was an Italian conctration camp on the island of Rab there about 500,000 people died.

What? we didn't have Death camps we had Work and internment camps....

[The Norgan Alliance]

What is the point? It is true. You are allowed to critise some tendencies of liberalism without being target as "racist".

Kiddo, criticism =/= censorship

However the criticism is very annoying and most of the time misplaced.

[Llamalandia]

Gay rights were viewed differently then than are today. The past is irrevalent here. I mean heck slavery used to be legal, but i gurantee you the press would "kick up a fuss" immediately if any country tried to pull that today.

We are speaking about 1988 - that's practically yesterday. Gay rights were already considered important enough. No they didn't because Britain was a "good country" and not the Russian enemy.

No 25 years ago isn't yesterday. Heck back then russia wasstillthe soviet union and verym uch the evil empire bad guys.

[Free Tristania]

We are speaking about 1988 - that's practically yesterday. Gay rights were already considered important enough. No they didn't because Britain was a "good country" and not the Russian enemy.

No 25 years ago isn't yesterday. Heck back then russia wasstillthe soviet union and verym uch the evil empire bad guys.

Feels enough like yesterday to me. Crap... I am old.

[Liriena]

Kiddo, criticism =/= censorship

However the criticism is very annoying and most of the time misplaced.

Doesn't make it "oppressive", as Scholencia would claim.

Harsh criticism, unfounded or otherwise, is not censorship. It's not a violation of your freedom of speech. If you feel incapable of expressing your own opinion in the face of criticism, however harsh or unfounded, it's your own fault.

[Scholencia]

Well, the point is they had just concetration camps as nazis, I want to say for the same purpose: to exterminate people (primarly Slavs). There was an Italian conctration camp on the island of Rab there about 500,000 people died.

What? we didn't have Death camps we had Work and internment camps....

Well, sorry to say you that but the people from former Yugoslavia would disagree with you. The Italian soldiers were also bad as Nazi soldiers in the Eastern front. They had the same purpose: to exterminate a whole race.

First, there was the forced Italianisation in Istria after which Mussolini starting to masacring people in the 1920s. I personally, dont like the films where Mussolini soldiers are potrayed as "peacefull men who played on a mandolina".

I know the Deatch camp on Rab, there was also on Molut (former Zara).

[The Norgan Alliance]

However the criticism is very annoying and most of the time misplaced.

Doesn't make it "oppressive", as Scholencia would claim.

Harsh criticism, unfounded or otherwise, is not censorship. It's not a violation of your freedom of speech. If you feel incapable of expressing your own opinion in the face of criticism, however harsh or unfounded, it's your own fault.

I understand that, I was merely adding a reason as to why he might feel this way even though I agree that he is wrong.

[Potenco]

I know that the US did it against the Japanese, what did the British do it against.

Boers

Boers need to get over themselves. They were a bunch of rascist backwards nefneck assholes who comitted numerous acts of terrorism during British Rule, than establlished an awful dictatorship (disfranchising 80% of the population is not a democracy) before finally being brought down in the 90s

[Liriena]

What? we didn't have Death camps we had Work and internment camps....

Well, sorry to say you that but the people from former Yugoslavia would disagree with you. The Italian soldiers were also bad as Nazi soldiers in the Eastern front. They had the same purpose: to exterminate a whole race.

First, there was the forced Italianisation in Istria after which Mussolini starting to masacring people in the 1920s. I personally, dont like the films where Mussolini soldiers are potrayed as "peacefull men who played on a mandolina".

I know the Deatch camp on Rab, there was also on Molut (former Zara).

Are you planning to post something relevant to the topic anywhere in the near future?

[Scholencia]

What is the point? It is true. You are allowed to critise some tendencies of liberalism without being target as "racist".

Kiddo, criticism =/= censorship

In that case, why is every critisicm toward LGBT people banned in mainstream media?

Why are you afraid of saying a single critique toward them?

[The Norgan Alliance]

Well, sorry to say you that but the people from former Yugoslavia would disagree with you. The Italian soldiers were also bad as Nazi soldiers in the Eastern front. They had the same purpose: to exterminate a whole race.

First, there was the forced Italianisation in Istria after which Mussolini starting to masacring people in the 1920s. I personally, dont like the films where Mussolini soldiers are potrayed as "peacefull men who played on a mandolina".

I know the Deatch camp on Rab, there was also on Molut (former Zara).

Are you planning to post something relevant to the topic anywhere in the near future?

I don't think he's capable of it.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

What? we didn't have Death camps we had Work and internment camps....

Well, sorry to say you that but the people from former Yugoslavia would disagree with you. The Italian soldiers were also bad as Nazi soldiers in the Eastern front. They had the same purpose: to exterminate a whole race.

First, there was the forced Italianisation in Istria after which Mussolini starting to masacring people in the 1920s. I personally, dont like the films where Mussolini soldiers are potrayed as "peacefull men who played on a mandolina".

I know the Deatch camp on Rab, there was also on Molut (former Zara).

considering the Yugoslavs stole the land we were promised I feel no sympathy, considering races are bullshit that's pretty impossible, forced Italianisation in the seeking of cultural unity is not Genocide, no opposition to titos genocide of Italians in Istria and Zara?

[Liriena]

Kiddo, criticism =/= censorship

In that case, why is every critisicm toward LGBT people banned in mainstream media?

Why are you afraid of saying a single critique toward them?

What the hell are you smoking? It's not banned at all.

If I were afraid of allowing people to spew anti-LGBT bullshit, I would have repeatedly called for Valcouria and Nidaria's deletion many months ago. Yet I did not, because I believe debates to be a healthy form of mental exercise.

[Liriena]

Kiddo, criticism =/= censorship

In that case, why is every critisicm toward LGBT people banned in mainstream media?

Why are you afraid of saying a single critique toward them?

What the hell are you smoking? It's not banned at all.

If I were afraid of allowing people to spew anti-LGBT bullshit, I would have repeatedly called for Valcouria and Nidaria's deletion many months ago. Yet I did not, because I believe debates to be a healthy form of mental exercise.

[Vicswampia]

forced Italianisation

is not Genocide

forced

...really?

[Arglorand]

Boers

Boers need to get over themselves. They were a bunch of rascist backwards nefneck assholes who comitted numerous acts of terrorism during British Rule, than establlished an awful dictatorship (disfranchising 80% of the population is not a democracy) before finally being brought down in the 90s

Dude, dude, dude, chill, chill, not all Boers/Afrikaners are/were terrible people. Yes, their ruling classes have been more often than not idiots, but saying that they, as a group, are racist backwards nefneck assholes is uncalled for.

[Free Tristania]

Boers

Boers need to get over themselves. They were a bunch of rascist backwards nefneck assholes who comitted numerous acts of terrorism during British Rule, than establlished an awful dictatorship (disfranchising 80% of the population is not a democracy) before finally being brought down in the 90s

Look up Bantu Expansion. They considered the Zulu to be invaders.. ooh and I have got you something new: so did the Brits.

[Sommorragh]

Boers need to get over themselves. They were a bunch of rascist backwards nefneck assholes who comitted numerous acts of terrorism during British Rule, than establlished an awful dictatorship (disfranchising 80% of the population is not a democracy) before finally being brought down in the 90s

Dude, dude, dude, chill, chill, not all Boers/Afrikaners are/were terrible people. Yes, their ruling classes have been more often than not idiots, but saying that they, as a group, are racist backwards nefneck assholes is uncalled for.

Especially now that a lot of them are treated like shit.

[Scholencia]

considering the Yugoslavs stole the land we were promised I feel no sympathy, considering races are bullshit that's pretty impossible, forced Italianisation in the seeking of cultural unity is not Genocide, no opposition to titos genocide of Italians in Istria and Zara?

The most Italians left Istria after World War II, I have also no simpathies for them because they where mostly fascists and colonist. The Italians who where not fascist did not left and even live today in Slovenia and Croatia peacefull. Also, Giovanni Cernogoraz would not agree with you. The rest is historical revisionism from Italy. ( Zadar also never had a significant Italian minority)

The whining of fascists from Istria and Dalmatia is the same as having symapthy for Nazis from Poland. Italy was a genocidal nation and unfortunately their leader never got in Nurnberg.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

considering the Yugoslavs stole the land we were promised I feel no sympathy, considering races are bullshit that's pretty impossible, forced Italianisation in the seeking of cultural unity is not Genocide, no opposition to titos genocide of Italians in Istria and Zara?

The most Italians left Istria after World War II, I have also no simpathies for them because they where mostly fascists and colonist. The Italians who where not fascist did not left and even live today in Slovenia and Croatia peacefull. Also, Giovanni Cernogoraz would not agree with you. The rest is historical revisionism from Italy.

The whining of fascists from Istria and Dalmatia is the same as having symapthy for Nazis from Poland. Italy was a genocidal nation and unfortunately their leader never got in Nurnberg.

our great leader was killed by traitors and red...who deserve a far greater hell then they will get.....Italians have populated Istria since the fall of the roman empire.....

[Virana]

For being homophobic? That escalated quickly.

What makes hating one minority different from another? If Putin banned "Jewish Propaganda" than we would all be calling him a Fascist.

Fascism as an ideology has nothing to do with systematically destroying or even oppressing a specific minority. Even as a staunch opposer to fascism, I know that.

No, being homophobic or racist does not make you a fascist in any way, unless it is associated with actions that are actually related to the ideology of fascism.

[Cameroi]

I vote nothing. No one's being sent to camps, or killed or any of that nastiness, so it's not a big dealio.

this, unfortunately, is incorrect.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

I feel Russia should fucking get rid its anti-gay laws.

[Scholencia]

What the hell are you smoking? It's not banned at all.

If I were afraid of allowing people to spew anti-LGBT bullshit, I would have repeatedly called for Valcouria and Nidaria's deletion many months ago. Yet I did not, because I believe debates to be a healthy form of mental exercise.

Define me "anti-LGBT" bullshit?

If I would say that I dont considered LGBT noto be normal or even deviant, you would not bitch at all?

(P.S. It is not that I have anything with this against gay people as individuals person, but only that homosexuality and transgenderism in consider as not to be ok)