Russia - Gay Rights - Sochi Olympics Megathread

[Sommorragh]

How can you not get this?! Before acting in any manner, the international community must first weigh the risks and liabilities, before taking action in any way. Based off the argument above, it would appear that the the international community faces risks too great to take action. Now, if you can present information that outweighs those risks, then we can think about taking any sort of action. People are rushing to action before looking at the situation.

What the hell is the international community going to do and how is it going to do it while minimizing it's liabilities?

Here is a bright idea: don't bother.

Yes, let's rush to action without considering the rammifications.

Truly, you are a master of the tongue.

[The Norgan Alliance]

For being homophobic? That escalated quickly.

What makes hating one minority different from another? If Putin banned "Jewish Propaganda" than we would all be calling him a Fascist.

Fascist=/=An Oppressive Government

[Potenco]

What makes hating one minority different from another. If Putin banned "Jewish Propaganda" than we would all be calling him a Fascist.

That's quite offensive...fascist don't hate jews.....National socialists hate jews....

Are you kidding me, Fascism is built off of violence against outsiders, its entire maintenace of the system being based off of an "us against them" mentality. Putins supporters extreme nationalism and willingness to attack both immigrants and gays demonstrates just what an awful fascist leader the man is

[Llamalandia]

also the olympics is kinda considered an exception to this rule. I mean had they told the olympic committee before hand that they intended to enforce these laws on foreigners I seriously doubt they would have gotten the games.

Also yeah, the holocaust was (well there is debate) internally legal in Germany should we have let them hold another olympic games in Germany during the holocaust as well ?

It's a non-issue as the Olympics were not held or planned in Germany during WWII and the Holocaust were by no means internal (Germany had occupied the rest of Europe) and there is no Holocaust on homosexuals in Russia. The law is much like the British Section 28.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28

Which, I might add, did not cause a storm of criticism in the press either, did it ? No it didn't.

An inexact analogy i grant you. But my point is a nation could legalize anything it wanted to internally but that certain things may be grounds for international intervention even in interference of that countries sovereignty.

[Liriena]

Thought enforcing international law might be difficult, it's still law. Breaking it is a grave offense, and it can have tangible consequences on a nation's future.

If so then America would no longer be existing today. The same applies to Israel that has broken god-knows-how-many international laws and UN resolutions. They are still around. Alive and kicking.

Direct your attention to the highlighted word, please.

[Free Tristania]

Well, it's too late to move the Olympics. If it is really that bad of an issue, either cancel it or reschedule it elsewhere.

I doubt either of those things are going to happen, an Olympic games has never been canceled (to my knowledge) and it's much to late to move it as it takes at least a year, if not more, to get everything set up and working.

Well the 1916 (Berlin), 1940 (Tokyo) and 1944 (London) Summer Olympics for obvious reasons. So were the 1940 (Sapporo) and 1944 (Cortina d'Ampezzo) Winter Olympics.

[Liriena]

Well, it's too late to move the Olympics. If it is really that bad of an issue, either cancel it or reschedule it elsewhere.

Or have the international community bitchslap the shit out of Russia.

[Sommorragh]

Well, it's too late to move the Olympics. If it is really that bad of an issue, either cancel it or reschedule it elsewhere.

Or have the international community bitchslap the shit out of Russia.

At what cost?

[Scholencia]

Sinlencing somebody is not quite democratic.

Where is the freedom of speech goneto which you claim to be devoted gone?

Says the one who said that everyone should shut the fuck up because the Soviet Union helped the allies.

You are having delucions, I did not said to anybody to "fuck up".

Without Russia (battle of Stalingrad, Kursk and so on) the Allies would hardly defeat the Nazis because ussr contributed more in term of clashes. The mentality of the Soviet soldiers and people was not different and thoose of moder-day Russians. It is obvious that homophobia, communism, anti-fascism and all what Stalin represented liberated the World of Nazism.

Going against modern-day Russia is also as going against against anti-fascism.

You're completely forgetting the US, and going against Russia is NOT going against anti-fascism. Is going against the US going against freedom?

No, because the US is not a free country, unlike Russia.

Without Russia (battle of Stalingrad, Kursk and so on) the Allies would hardly defeat the Nazis because ussr contributed more in term of clashes. The mentality of the Soviet soldiers and people was not different and thoose of moder-day Russians. It is obvious that homophobia, communism, anti-fascism and all what Stalin represented liberated the World of Nazism.

Going against modern-day Russia is also as going against against anti-fascism.

Why should we care?

By hating Russia you are in fact giving credit to Hitler.

[Free Tristania]

If so then America would no longer be existing today. The same applies to Israel that has broken god-knows-how-many international laws and UN resolutions. They are still around. Alive and kicking.

Direct your attention to the highlighted word, please.

Can in theory. Never has. Theory - reality.

[Kouralia]

Or have the international community bitchslap the shit out of Russia.

At what cost?

Maximum cost? Billions of lives.

[Caecuser]

Or have the international community bitchslap the shit out of Russia.

At what cost?

What do you mean "what cost"?

[The Norgan Alliance]

I doubt either of those things are going to happen, an Olympic games has never been canceled (to my knowledge) and it's much to late to move it as it takes at least a year, if not more, to get everything set up and working.

Well the 1916 (Berlin), 1940 (Tokyo) and 1944 (London) Summer Olympics for obvious reasons.

Well that was because of war, and Russia isn't in a war...

...yet

[Llamalandia]

Also don't know how section 28 is relevant it was passed in 1988 and last used in 2000 as far as I can tell it had nothing to do with Britain hosting the games as Britain had no plans on enforcing it against foreigners (if im mistaken let me know i didn't read the entiretyo f the article on it.)

[Liriena]

Well, it's too late to move the Olympics. If it is really that bad of an issue, either cancel it or reschedule it elsewhere.

Or have the international community bitchslap the shit out of Russia.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

That's quite offensive...fascist don't hate jews.....National socialists hate jews....

Are you kidding me, Fascism is built off of violence against outsiders, its entire maintenace of the system being based off of an "us against them" mentality. Putins supporters extreme nationalism and willingness to attack both immigrants and gays demonstrates just what an awful fascist leader the man is

wow you know nothing of Fascism do you?
Fascism may require Ethnic Nationalism, however it does not require violence against minorities,

[The Orson Empire]

Well, it's too late to move the Olympics. If it is really that bad of an issue, either cancel it or reschedule it elsewhere.

I doubt either of those things are going to happen, an Olympic games has never been canceled (to my knowledge) and it's much to late to move it as it takes at least a year, if not more, to get everything set up and working.

Well it is really that big of an issue, then just delay it for a year or don't do it at all.

[Virana]

No one is really "bound" by international law as it's kinda joke, but yeah I see what youre trying to say here none the less.

Thought enforcing international law might be difficult, it's still law. Breaking it is a grave offense, and it can have tangible consequences on a nation's future.

Yeah, only if your violations of international law fall opposite to the interests of a major world power, and you don't have the geopolitical strength to defend yourself from that world power or you lack various items that peak the interests of said powers.

Classic examples: Saudis commit atrocities far in violation of international laws, but the international community hardly bashes them because the world relies on them for a good bit of oil. There's other examples of countries that play to others' interests or have the power to seek their own interests.

However, various other countries with less to contribute are more frequently slammed by analysts for similar abuses. It's those countries that have to worry about their future.

Russia has the geopolitical influence and overall diplomatic strength to keep that from happening.

[Liriena]

Direct your attention to the highlighted word, please.

Can in theory. Never has. Theory - reality.

Never has? Direct your attention to North Korea.

[Liriena]

No, because the US is not a free country, unlike Russia.

[The Norgan Alliance]

I doubt either of those things are going to happen, an Olympic games has never been canceled (to my knowledge) and it's much to late to move it as it takes at least a year, if not more, to get everything set up and working.

Well it is really that big of an issue, then just delay it for a year or don't do it at all.

Not to discredit your point, but that is not going to happen as it isn't that big of an issue.

[Free Tristania]

Also don't know how section 28 is relevant it was passed in 1988 and last used in 2000 as far as I can tell it had nothing to do with Britain hosting the games as Britain had no plans on enforcing it against foreigners (if im mistaken let me know i didn't read the entiretyo f the article on it.)

Did the international press kick up a fuss about it in 1988. Yes or no ? No they didn't. It wasn't convenient.

[Vicswampia]

No, because the US is not a free country, unlike Russia.

Hombre, tell me you're not serious.

[The Norgan Alliance]

No, because the US is not a free country, unlike Russia.

Hombre, tell me you're not serious.

I think he is

[Potenco]

Are you kidding me, Fascism is built off of violence against outsiders, its entire maintenace of the system being based off of an "us against them" mentality. Putins supporters extreme nationalism and willingness to attack both immigrants and gays demonstrates just what an awful fascist leader the man is

wow you know nothing of Fascism do you?
Fascism may require Ethnic Nationalism, however it does not require violence against minorities,

Whatever, you just like wearing snappy uniforms but you dont want to be rascist, I get it

Me, I have my boyfriend don a Nazi uniform when were intimate.

In all seriousness, Putin is showing signs of being an "Ethnic Nationalist" Fascist, or the bad kind as you would consider it.