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[The Serbian Empire]

argeed, but Stalinism is slowly dying. While new forms of Socialism and Communism continue to take its place

"New forms of socialism and communism"

What other forms could there be?

Maoism for one type.

[The Land of Truth]

"New forms of socialism and communism"

What other forms could there be?

Maoism for one type.

Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, anarcho-Communism, Castroism, off the top of my head.

[Armadrone]

The KPRF is not a communist party.

It is a right-wing nationalist, populist, religious party. Like most Russian "communists", they don't even pay lip service to actual Marxist or Leninist doctrines; their love of USSR is the love for the USSR the strong authoritarian nation-state, not USSR the Marxist experiment. You should not act surprised; they are not socialist or communist in the slightest, I confirm that as a Russian citizen. Some of their members are true leftists, but the parliamentary bloc of the party is just fascist, most likely in no small part because they have to adapt to Russia's authoritarian realities and United Russia's line.

If you are a Marxist, OP, have no illusions about the KPRF. They are right-wing nationalist, clerical fascists. Seek dialogue with real Russian leftists like the Russian Communist Workers' Party.

Just wondering, how can you be a nationalist and a supporter of the USSR?

The USSR was not a nation. It was an empire.

perhaps yes, in the fact it took over many other country's. I do agree the USSR did do some imperialist things one could say that thet just united them. But regardless they were always trying to exert political influence on other nations which another form of imperialism.

[Conkercornerland]

Maoism for one type.

Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, anarcho-Communism, Castroism, off the top of my head.

Oh, and the little-known Titoism.

Just wondering, how can you be a nationalist and a supporter of the USSR?

The USSR was not a nation. It was an empire.

perhaps yes, in the fact it took over many other country's. I do agree the USSR did do some imperialist things one could say that thet just united them. But regardless they were always trying to exert political influence on other nations which another form of imperialism.

Empire or not though, I don't see why that makes any difference to nationalism. Plenty of British nationalists pine for the British empire, Russia was dominant within the USSR in the same ways.

[The Land of Truth]

Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, anarcho-Communism, Castroism, off the top of my head.

Oh, and the little-known Titoism.

perhaps yes, in the fact it took over many other country's. I do agree the USSR did do some imperialist things one could say that thet just united them. But regardless they were always trying to exert political influence on other nations which another form of imperialism.

Empire or not though, I don't see why that makes any difference to nationalism. Plenty of British nationalists pine for the British empire, Russia was dominant within the USSR in the same ways.

Don't forget Trotskeyism.

[Regnum Dominae]

"New forms of socialism and communism"

What other forms could there be?

Maoism for one type.

Juche.

[Armadrone]

" What we need is ideas for smashing out the Social and economic inequality"

Stop right there, you can't. At least not completely, not in regrades to any nation on earth. Besides it's kind of silly to try and spread that ideal to other countries, if it's not even done within your own country. For the US, economic inequality, only keeps getting worse.

Further more people should be free to choose if they want a capitalist system or other kinds, without other people trying to bring it down from the outside. That often ends miserably and backfires on the foreign powers that try to influence a different nation's course.

perhaps. But even then we could at least try and if anything there is an alternative to Capitalism. And we should bring it down regardless of if people like it. But in the long run i have created a way to maintain both individuality and Socialism in one place as well as working as whole. My whole ideology is rather long to explain. But i have a system that smash out capitalism while also smash out the fear of everything being the same. That way you don't have the same factory making that one blue shirt that everyone has to wear.

[The Land of Truth]

Maoism for one type.

Juche.

Not really considered Communist.

[Escasia]

Oh, and the little-known Titoism.



Empire or not though, I don't see why that makes any difference to nationalism. Plenty of British nationalists pine for the British empire, Russia was dominant within the USSR in the same ways.

Don't forget Trotskeyism.

Trotskyism was mentioned earlier, I think.

[Bundabunda]

As a Communist I am disgusted with the Russian Communist party's in its decision to support the new anti-gay laws.

Why? You should read modern Pravda. Claims of Putin being guided by God and claims of the West fearing "Russia's Christianity":
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/column ... tianity-0/

On the other hand, the PCF in France have gone the opposite direction and are now also a laughingstock.

[The Land of Truth]

As a Communist I am disgusted with the Russian Communist party's in its decision to support the new anti-gay laws.

Why? You should read modern Pravda. Claims of Putin being guided by God and claims of the West fearing "Russia's Christianity":
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/column ... tianity-0/

On the other hand, the PCF in France have gone the opposite direction and are now also a laughingstock.

But Communists are (usually) atheists.

[The Scientific States]

No surprise there. As said before the Russian Communist party supports the USSR and its dictatorial policies.

Marx is probably rolling in his grave over this.

[The Land of Truth]

Don't forget Trotskeyism.

Trotskyism was mentioned earlier, I think.

I didn't see, but better than safe than sorry, eh?

[The Serbian Empire]

Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, anarcho-Communism, Castroism, off the top of my head.

Oh, and the little-known Titoism.

I think Hoxhaism is even less known and also in that tree.

[Hathradic States]

No.

It is not the duty of the Olympics to make political points.

[Bundabunda]

But Communists are (usually) atheists.

That's my point: the CPRF isn't something to be taken seriously. They're the recognized opposition in the country, not necessarily the only opposition.

Hoxhaism is even less known and also in that tree.

Hoxhaism seems to me the most reachable form of socialism we can reach in the 21st century. Socialism in One Country is taken rather conservatively so the ideology can first be established within a country's borders.

[Chauvinist Pigs]

http://www.peoplesworld.org/russian-communists-must-stand-against-lgbtq-persecution/

As a Communist I am disgusted with the Russian Communist party's in its decision to support the new anti-gay laws. As an American Communist being with the Communist party of america we strongly support LGBT rights. Unfortunately the bourgeoisie are rising and taking control of Russia and their so called fake Communist party. Please note that many Communists support gay rights and to see the Russian communists support homophobia is a shocking turning point. What we need is ideas for smashing out the Social and economic inequality in Russia and bring down their capitalist government as well. Russia is being slowly engulfed in hate and money and we must do something about it. Otherwise, Russia's hate will spread all over the world.

I feel for them but seriously comparing LGBT movement to what happened to Jews is really getting tiring and when people do it in the states. Considering most of the protesters are upper middle class and are in no way in danger of camps is personally offensive.

[Regnum Dominae]

Oh, and the little-known Titoism.

I think Hoxhaism is even less known and also in that tree.

Luxemburgism too. And Dokuritsu's "Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism".

[Divided America]

No No no! not another Russian Revolution

[Pacifornia]

Juche.

Not really considered Communist.

True. Juche is highly nationalist and basically says, "North Koreans won't take shizznit from Americans! We will beat their butts with nuclear missiles that can't get past the DMZ".

[The Land of Truth]

http://www.peoplesworld.org/russian-communists-must-stand-against-lgbtq-persecution/

As a Communist I am disgusted with the Russian Communist party's in its decision to support the new anti-gay laws. As an American Communist being with the Communist party of america we strongly support LGBT rights. Unfortunately the bourgeoisie are rising and taking control of Russia and their so called fake Communist party. Please note that many Communists support gay rights and to see the Russian communists support homophobia is a shocking turning point. What we need is ideas for smashing out the Social and economic inequality in Russia and bring down their capitalist government as well. Russia is being slowly engulfed in hate and money and we must do something about it. Otherwise, Russia's hate will spread all over the world.

I feel for them but seriously comparing LGBT movement to what happened to Jews is really getting tiring and when people do it in the states. Considering most of the protesters are upper middle class and are in no way in danger of camps is personally offensive.

No one did that.

[The Land of Truth]

No No no! not another Russian Revolution

The fuck?

[Escasia]

Why? You should read modern Pravda. Claims of Putin being guided by God and claims of the West fearing "Russia's Christianity":
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/column ... tianity-0/

On the other hand, the PCF in France have gone the opposite direction and are now also a laughingstock.

But Communists are (usually) atheists.

I know tons of religious communists. However, yes, it's a common communist idea that organized religion is another arm of bourgeois oppression.

But Communists are (usually) atheists.

That's my point: the CPRF isn't something to be taken seriously. They're the recognized opposition in the country, not necessarily the only opposition.

They're certainly the most powerful opposition, regularly coming second in every election. Then again, the gap between the CPRF and United Russia is still huge.

I think Hoxhaism is even less known and also in that tree.

Luxemburgism too. And Dokuritsu's "Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism".

Do Impossiblists also count as a separate group or are they just a faction of Marxists?

[The North Polish Union]

Why should I care?

I am not Russian, nor do I live in Russia , nor do I ever plan on visiting it, nor am I homosexual.

Again, why should I care? The Russian government's laws do not affect me personally in the slightest way, except that I have to listen to people griping about it on the news (which I rarely watch anyway).

[The Scientific States]

Why should I care?

I am not Russian, nor do I live in Russia , nor do I ever plan on visiting it, nor am I homosexual.

Again, why should I care? The Russian government's laws do not affect me personally in the slightest way, except that I have to listen to people griping about it on the news (which I rarely watch anyway).

It affects homosexuals in Russia.