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What should be done in response to Russia's recent suppression of gay rights and right to assemble?

Move the Olympics to a different country
147
19%
Boycott the Olympics
96
12%
Create the most fabulous Olympics ever
205
27%
Economic and trade sanctions until the crackdown on rights ends
97
13%
Go to war with Russia
39
5%
Nothing - Russia has the right to crack down on gay rights and right to assembly if they so choose
185
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:41 pm

Genivaria wrote:
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I take it that you also failed to read the thread's OP.

Don't worry, Gen the OP was also stumped by the OP's post :P

It's yur fakking Vudka! :p


Shut up and drink Stoli :P
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Postby Brocwika » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:41 pm

Acadzia wrote:
Avenio wrote:
... Because, the morality of a law discriminating against LGBTs aside, it's an excuse for Russia to detain and suppress political figures and movements that challenge the regime as it currently stands?

Surely that's something we can all get behind.


Nah. The gays (or rather, the white, WASPy, straight liberals who are forcing their lifestyle down our throats) have the West. Let them have it, and let the rest of the world do what it wants. It's like, if you and I are two food carts on a street and you go pure vegan: why should I have to follow, just because you wanted to? Let all the meat eaters come to me, let all the vegans and vegan-recipe aficionados go to you. I don't get why we need Russia to capitulate to us. How would we feel if they forced, say, Russian Orthodoxy on us. Why do we feel the need to force Western post-Christian nihilism on them?

I gotta say, of I didn't have prior oaths and arrangements to my Queen and Country, I'd return to the land of my forefathers: Russia.


This makes alot of sense actually. :clap:
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:41 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
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*cough Putin's lapdog*

But the question is do they hate ze gayz more?

Don't worry I'll wait as you forward this question to the Politburo! Undoubtedly Russia is innocent in all of this and should get a Nobel Peace Prize, just cuz.

They'd deserve one as much as Obama.


I don't think I ever said Obama deserved it...

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Postby Blasveck » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:42 pm

Acadzia wrote:
Avenio wrote:
... Because, the morality of a law discriminating against LGBTs aside, it's an excuse for Russia to detain and suppress political figures and movements that challenge the regime as it currently stands?

Surely that's something we can all get behind.


Nah. The gays (or rather, the white, WASPy, straight liberals who are forcing their lifestyle down our throats) have the West. Let them have it, and let the rest of the world do what it wants. It's like, if you and I are two food carts on a street and you go pure vegan: why should I have to follow, just because you wanted to? Let all the meat eaters come to me, let all the vegans and vegan-recipe aficionados go to you. I don't get why we need Russia to capitulate to us. How would we feel if they forced, say, Russian Orthodoxy on us. Why do we feel the need to force Western post-Christian nihilism on them?

I gotta say, of I didn't have prior oaths and arrangements to my Queen and Country, I'd return to the land of my forefathers: Russia.


Just...fuck.

What the fuck is wrong with people like me being open for who they are?
I'm bi, and I am certainly not trying to force "my lifestyle" down your throat.

It's called acceptance. Something I hope you can understand.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:42 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:They'd deserve one as much as Obama.


I don't think I ever said Obama deserved it...


You're Nixon's lapdog. If you had the chance, you'd Watergate Romney over Obama into the White House :P
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:42 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:They'd deserve one as much as Obama.


I don't think I ever said Obama deserved it...

That's good. The fact that he has one just irks me, and I note it at every given chance.
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Postby Avenio » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:44 pm

Acadzia wrote:Nah. The gays (or rather, the white, WASPy, straight liberals who are forcing their lifestyle down our throats) have the West. Let them have it, and let the rest of the world do what it wants. It's like, if you and I are two food carts on a street and you go pure vegan: why should I have to follow, just because you wanted to? Let all the meat eaters come to me, let all the vegans and vegan-recipe aficionados go to you. I don't get why we need Russia to capitulate to us. How would we feel if they forced, say, Russian Orthodoxy on us. Why do we feel the need to force Western post-Christian nihilism on them?


Is it really 'nihilism' to say "Hey Russia, can you please not beat up and arrest political opponents and members of minority sexualities? They're humans too, you know, and it's not 1954 anymore - you can't just play tinpot dictator and not have anyone notice or rub your face in it."

Because really, the token chickenhawks aside, that's all we're saying here.

Acadzia wrote:I gotta say, of I didn't have prior oaths and arrangements to my Queen and Country, I'd return to the land of my forefathers: Russia.


You know, people always say that, but they never actually go. Funny, that.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:44 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Know the story (read it yesterday), don't recall every single name mentioned in it.


Not even if it was the person around whom the actual article was written?


No, why would I need to? A russian official is clarifying a miscommunication by somebody else about an anti-lgbt law not being enforced on olympic athletes. How necessary are names in this case?

(They aren't).

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:44 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Acadzia wrote:
Nah. The gays (or rather, the white, WASPy, straight liberals who are forcing their lifestyle down our throats) have the West. Let them have it, and let the rest of the world do what it wants. It's like, if you and I are two food carts on a street and you go pure vegan: why should I have to follow, just because you wanted to? Let all the meat eaters come to me, let all the vegans and vegan-recipe aficionados go to you. I don't get why we need Russia to capitulate to us. How would we feel if they forced, say, Russian Orthodoxy on us. Why do we feel the need to force Western post-Christian nihilism on them?

I gotta say, of I didn't have prior oaths and arrangements to my Queen and Country, I'd return to the land of my forefathers: Russia.


Just...fuck.

What the fuck is wrong with people like me being open for who they are?
I'm bi, and I certainly aren't trying to force "my lifestyle" down your throat.

It's called acceptance. Something I hope you can understand.

There are a myriad of nations that accept you for who you are. Most of Europe, for one. Not to mention the liberal areas of the US. And Canada. Just don't fucking go to Russia. It isn't that hard.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:44 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
I don't think I ever said Obama deserved it...


You're Nixon's lapdog. If you had the chance, you'd Watergate Romney over Obama into the White House :P

Kinky.

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Postby Shofercia » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:45 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Not even if it was the person around whom the actual article was written?


No, why would I need to? A russian official is clarifying a miscommunication by somebody else about an anti-lgbt law not being enforced on olympic athletes. How necessary are names in this case?

(They aren't).


They are if the guy's an idiot, who happens to be the Minister of Sports.
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Postby Brocwika » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:46 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
I don't think I ever said Obama deserved it...

That's good. The fact that he has one just irks me, and I note it at every given chance.


it's cause he's black, and the fact he is the first president to not be white. Which is silly.

I mean come on, shouldn't the people who elected him get the nobel prize? The man did nothing but GET elected. I digress...
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:46 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
You're Nixon's lapdog. If you had the chance, you'd Watergate Romney over Obama into the White House :P

Kinky.


So much wrong with that. Lemme guess, Clinton supporter? :P
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:47 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Kinky.


So much wrong with that. Lemme guess, Clinton supporter? :P

Hilary yes.
Clinton 2016! :D

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:47 pm

Brocwika wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:That's good. The fact that he has one just irks me, and I note it at every given chance.


it's cause he's black, and the fact he is the first president to not be white. Which is silly.

I mean come on, shouldn't the people who elected him get the nobel prize? The man did nothing but GET elected. I digress...

A Nobel Peace Prize has shit to do with what you just did. It's for promoting peace. Which Obama sure as hell does not do.
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:48 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Just...fuck.

What the fuck is wrong with people like me being open for who they are?
I'm bi, and I certainly aren't trying to force "my lifestyle" down your throat.

It's called acceptance. Something I hope you can understand.

There are a myriad of nations that accept you for who you are. Most of Europe, for one. Not to mention the liberal areas of the US. And Canada. Just don't fucking go to Russia. It isn't that hard.


That doesn't mean it's okay for Russia to be doing what they're doing.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:48 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
I don't think I ever said Obama deserved it...


You're Nixon's lapdog. If you had the chance, you'd Watergate Romney over Obama into the White House :P


Pfft. If memory serves me correctly, Romney and Nixon were competitors for the Republican nomination. I would have done exactly what the Clintons probably did in 08, talk nicely and vote for the other guy.

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Postby Shofercia » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:50 pm

Found a post of mine from roughly a year ago, give or take a week:

Shofercia wrote:I've been a vehement critic of Putin's support of Mutko on a Russian forum...Putin should kick out Mutko and Anishenko, and it's a huge mistake for him to keep that duo in office.


Once again, I'm right about issues relating to Russia.

What a shocker /sarcasm
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:51 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
No, why would I need to? A russian official is clarifying a miscommunication by somebody else about an anti-lgbt law not being enforced on olympic athletes. How necessary are names in this case?

(They aren't).


They are if the guy's an idiot, who happens to be the Minister of Sports.


I already know the guy is an idiot. I don't need to know his name. It doesn't help me with work, graduate school, or getting some poontang. The name is irrelevant.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:51 pm

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:As long as you guys are fair to us and do this in Rio de Janeiro too to protest the fact that Brazil is thinking of approving a bill for sexual orientation anti-discrimination, but never doing so, since early 1996.

You still have 3 years to pass it.

It is not as strong as it was after 2010.

If certain early and mid 2000s versions of the famous and controversial Projeto de Lei Constitucional 122 rebirthed in 2006 were accepted, Brazil would become legally the most fabulous country of Earth along Canada and the Netherlands.

Now it barely protects our jobs and dignity inside our families, and doesn't adress hate speech at all, and actually protects hate speech masking it as freedom of religion.

Hate crimes start to be considered in every event and treated like serious business finally, but there is not going to exist nationwide systems of statistics to make the profile of homophobia in the country. Horrible things unadressed by the police become famous around the country, but we don't see them appearing in first world media for you guys pressure us because simply another violent country in the third world just doesn't matter politically, but your voices would be very helpful at convincing our politicians.

Even because Brazil cares for its international image a Brazillion times more than Russia.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:52 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
They are if the guy's an idiot, who happens to be the Minister of Sports.


I already know the guy is an idiot. I don't need to know his name. It doesn't help me with work, graduate school, or getting some poontang. The name is irrelevant.


Neither do most of your NSG posts, Nixon, so thank you for admitting that they're irrelevant :P
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:52 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Brocwika wrote:
it's cause he's black, and the fact he is the first president to not be white. Which is silly.

I mean come on, shouldn't the people who elected him get the nobel prize? The man did nothing but GET elected. I digress...

A Nobel Peace Prize has shit to do with what you just did. It's for promoting peace. Which Obama sure as hell does not do.


I think it was just Obamania in Europe, especially since Bush was so unpopular there.

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Postby Shofercia » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:53 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:A Nobel Peace Prize has shit to do with what you just did. It's for promoting peace. Which Obama sure as hell does not do.


I think it was just Obamania in Europe, especially since Bush was so unpopular there.


It's easier to be more popular than Sir Bombsalot :P
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Postby Avenio » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:54 pm

Shofercia wrote:Found a post of mine from roughly a year ago, give or take a week:

Shofercia wrote:I've been a vehement critic of Putin's support of Mutko on a Russian forum...Putin should kick out Mutko and Anishenko, and it's a huge mistake for him to keep that duo in office.


Once again, I'm right about issues relating to Russia.

What a shocker /sarcasm


What, do you want a cookie or something? What was the point of this post if not to pat yourself on the back?

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Postby Shofercia » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:54 pm

Avenio wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Found a post of mine from roughly a year ago, give or take a week:



Once again, I'm right about issues relating to Russia.

What a shocker /sarcasm


What, do you want a cookie or something? What was the point of this post if not to pat yourself on the back?


To show my expertise. Don't like it, don't respond.
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