Russia - Gay Rights - Sochi Olympics Megathread

[Shofercia]

Let us be honest, where there any gays 50years ago in Eastern Europe? No, there was not. The suddenly flock of homos in Eastern Europe is the result of liberal propaganda. My point is that homosexuality is very un-slavic.

Source?
(And actually, I think someone a few pages back had a point about the Russian court under the Czar being pretty gay)

Not Gay. Bi. I'm tempted to make a joke about a part of said Court being Bi-Partisan...

[The Tiger Kingdom]

So spying on gay neighbors to the police is not discrimination about gays?

I am not lying, it is a fact. There was no gays in Russia 20 years ago.

...Because if you admitted you were, the state punished you.
Do you not see how this works?

The western liberals just said a message "you feeling, moral is relative. Do what ever you want"

It's more like "don't be ashamed of who you are and who you're attracted to", because it's not a matter of "doing what you want" or "morality being relative", it's a matter of "someone legitimately not being attracted to people of the opposite sex in favor of their own", without any real choice in the matter.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Source?
(And actually, I think someone a few pages back had a point about the Russian court under the Czar being pretty gay)

Not Gay. Bi. I'm tempted to make a joke about a part of said Court being Bi-Partisan...

Comes to the same thing here, for all intents and purposes.

[Shofercia]

Not Gay. Bi. I'm tempted to make a joke about a part of said Court being Bi-Partisan...

Comes to the same thing here, for all intents and purposes.

Not all intents and purposes. Anyways, we're going way off track here.

[The North Polish Union]

banning gay propaganda =/= discriminating gays

So spying on gay neighbors to the police is not discrimination about gays?

Nope. It's the Russian way. They've been spying on neighbors to get them arrested for years.

'Tis a wonderful practice initiated during the Soviet era, used against political dissenters at first, but it was later extended to "anyone who you don't like that lives in the same apartment complex as you do." (J. Stalin; "New Revisions to the Laws Allowing Enemies of the State to be Sent Away to the Gulags" from "The Glorious Proletarian Monthly Newsmagazine"; May 1949, ed.56)

[Scholencia]

I am not lying, it is a fact. There was no gays in Russia 20 years ago.

...Because if you admitted you were, the state punished you.
Do you not see how this works?

The western liberals just said a message "you feeling, moral is relative. Do what ever you want"

It's more like "don't be ashamed of who you are and who you're attracted to", because it's not a matter of "doing what you want" or "morality being relative", it's a matter of "someone legitimately not being attracted to people of the opposite sex in favor of their own", without any real choice in the matter.

Yeltsins Russia was a dictatorship, no wayyy.

Yes, and pedophiles have their feeling, according to you they should they should also not be ashamed. Because of "their feelings".

[The Tiger Kingdom]

...Because if you admitted you were, the state punished you.
Do you not see how this works?

It's more like "don't be ashamed of who you are and who you're attracted to", because it's not a matter of "doing what you want" or "morality being relative", it's a matter of "someone legitimately not being attracted to people of the opposite sex in favor of their own", without any real choice in the matter.

Yeltsins Russia was a dictatorship, no wayyy.

Splitting hairs, are we? And yeah, Yeltsin's Russia wasn't exactly a hotbed of civil rights, but I was speaking more of the USSR - which you were too, before you inexplicably switched from 50 years to 20. The exact same thing applies. Nice try.

Yes, and pedophiles have their feeling, according to you they should they should also not be ashamed. Because of "their feelings".

Except being a pedo and being gay aren't the same thing at all.
Being gay (and acting on it) is basically being in a consenting relationship with another person of the same gender. There's literally nothing harmful to it, unless you find it icky (but if you do, rest assured the rest of civilized society doesn't give a shit).
Being a pedo (and thus acting on it) is having sex with someone who's literally incapable of giving consent due to age. Which is disgusting and pretty much the definition of "immoral".
I'm being extraordinarily patient with you here; this is incredibly easy to grasp if you'd bother to think rationally for a second.

[Alien Space Bats]

I mean that gays are ok in Russia since nobody is persecute them for being gay (of course gay marriages are not human rights).

Also, homosexuality is really un-slavic.

"Homosexuality is really un-Slavic?" Really?!?



Tell me that isn't totally gay, in a Steve Reeves sort of way.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

I mean that gays are ok in Russia since nobody is persecute them for being gay (of course gay marriages are not human rights).

Also, homosexuality is really un-slavic.

"Homosexuality is really un-Slavic?" Really?!?



Tell me that isn't totally gay, in a Steve Reeves sort of way.

Also, yeah, that seriously looks like Putin's trying to woo the gay vote in the most hackneyed way imaginable.
Come on, Vlad, who're you trying to fool?

[Alien Space Bats]

Let us be honest, where there any gays 50years ago in Eastern Europe?

Uh... yeah?!?

I am not lying, it is a fact. There was no gays in Russia 20 years ago.

Bullshit.

Let's start with Prince Vladimir Petrovich Meshchersky (11 January 1839 – 23 July 1914), who was romantically connected to the great Russian composer Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893), who was in turn bisexual. Then there's Duke Peter Alexandrovich of Oldenburg (21 November 1868 – 11 March 1924), who was widely believed by friends and family to be homosexual (his marriage to the Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia [13 June 1882 – 24 November 1960], which lasted 15 years, was never consummated).

Or how about Count Vladimir Nikolayevich Lamsdorf (January 6 1845 – March 19 1907), who was Russia's Foreign Minister from 1901-1906? Aleksei Sergeyevich Suvorin, a journalist of the day, wrote of him: "The Tsar calls Lamsdorf madame and promotes his lover Savitsky within the ranks of the count. Lamsdorf boasts that he spent thirty years in the corridors of the Foreign Ministry. As he is a homosexual and all men are for him sluts, he thus spent thirty years in a bordello".

I could continue, but why bother? Your claim is proven to be horseshit. Give it up.

[Urmanian]

I am not lying, it is a fact. There was no gays in Russia 20 years ago. The western liberals just said a message "you feeling, moral is relative. Do what ever you want"

What incredible bullshit. In fact, exactly 20 years ago, in 1993, two very much gay important events happened: the sodomy laws were abolished by Yeltsin's government and one of the first major Russian LGBT organizations, "Triangle" was formed. The first Russian LGBT organization ever, "Wings", was registered two years before that, in 1991. One could go on and on. Start educating yourself.

Russia is based on christian values and principles, so there is nothing wrong is dont allow gay marriges; it only worth that gays are not percecuted there which they are not.

You have literally left this comment in response to a post citing a news article that said nothing about gay marriage but instead said that homosexuals in Russia are at risk of having their parental rights revoked, which is oppression indeed.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I mean that gays are ok in Russia since nobody is persecute them for being gay (of course gay marriages are not human rights).

Also, homosexuality is really un-slavic.

"Homosexuality is really un-Slavic?" Really?!?



Tell me that isn't totally gay, in a Steve Reeves sort of way.

That is totally gay.

I mean, look at the horse! It's wearing a freaking CHER wig, and you KNOW somebody had to put that on him. Add that to sir-showsoffhispecksalot there and the fact he never seems to be interested in the amazing barebreasted women who show up to protest against him and you get a rather clear picture of the guy.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

"Homosexuality is really un-Slavic?" Really?!?



Tell me that isn't totally gay, in a Steve Reeves sort of way.

That is totally gay.

I mean, look at the horse! It's wearing a freaking CHER wig, and you KNOW somebody had to put that on him. Add that to sir-showsoffhispecksalot there and the fact he never seems to be interested in the amazing barebreasted women who show up to protest against him and you get a rather clear picture of the guy.

Also, didn't he just get divorced for unclear reasons?

[New Embossia]

On Russian Rights: Why don't Gay, Bi Russians emigrate to...say...Estonia? (Not that I know their laws, anything's an upgrade over Putin).

On Olympics: The IOC should force Russia to allow gay athletes to participate, or face relocation of Olympics (It's rash, but who knows? It might work.)

[Urmanian]

On Russian Rights: Why don't Gay, Bi Russians emigrate to...say...Estonia? (Not that I know their laws, anything's an upgrade over Putin).

Because migrating is so easy and they don't have families, friends, loved ones and other obligations in Russia

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

That is totally gay.

I mean, look at the horse! It's wearing a freaking CHER wig, and you KNOW somebody had to put that on him. Add that to sir-showsoffhispecksalot there and the fact he never seems to be interested in the amazing barebreasted women who show up to protest against him and you get a rather clear picture of the guy.

Also, didn't he just get divorced for unclear reasons?

THE GAY IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT!

[Alien Space Bats]

Also, didn't he just get divorced for unclear reasons?

He's totally gay.

He needs a Twitter nickname, like Anthony Weiner's "Carlos Danger".

I think "Vlad the Impaler" will do nicely.

[The North Polish Union]

Also, didn't he just get divorced for unclear reasons?

He's totally gay.

He needs a Twitter nickname, like Anthony Weiner's "Carlos Danger".

I think "Vlad the Impaler" will do nicely.

[Zapato]

Yeah, the important part is that LGBT people are not rude when they oppose what Russia is doing. The best way to go about it is to make reasonable arguments about equality (illegal in Russia), inform the public about the facts (illegal in Russia), create an awareness campaign (illegal in Russia), demonstrate how gay parents are able to take care of children in a normal and healthy manner (illegal in Russia), and then beg the authorities to please respect the rights they already have and to not errode them further.

Don't be rude, guys. Just politely beg for your basic human rights, and perhaps the request will be taken into consideration at some unknown point in time.

But hey, go ahead and make fun of Srboslavija for repeating what MLK Jr said. After all, what does he know, he only led the most successful Civil Rights Movement in World History...

Martin Luther King Jr. never said to not be "rude". He never suggested the correct way to go about it on your knees, begging for rights. He never indicated that the best way o go about protesting was to be silent and polite and hold your hat in your hands, hoping for change to come. In fact, King urged nonviolent but intentionally confrontational tactics, including occupying public spaces with marches and sit-ins. King repeatedly urged people to openly violate laws that they considered unjust, and he did just that himself.

"We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." That's the words of Martin Luther King Jr. He did not follow up with "But take care not to be rude when you demand freedom and basic civil rights. Make sure you don't offend anyone."

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season"."

We should heed King's words. Srboslavija, unfortunately, is not repeating them.

[Shofercia]

But hey, go ahead and make fun of Srboslavija for repeating what MLK Jr said. After all, what does he know, he only led the most successful Civil Rights Movement in World History...

Martin Luther King Jr. never said to not be "rude". He never suggested the correct way to go about it on your knees, begging for rights. He never indicated that the best way o go about protesting was to be silent and polite and hold your hat in your hands, hoping for change to come. In fact, King urged nonviolent but intentionally confrontational tactics, including occupying public spaces with marches and sit-ins. King repeatedly urged people to openly violate laws that they considered unjust, and he did just that himself.

"We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." That's the words of Martin Luther King Jr. He did not follow up with "But take care not to be rude when you demand freedom and basic civil rights. Make sure you don't offend anyone."

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season"."

We should heed King's words. Srboslavija, unfortunately, is not repeating them.

That's not how I read Srboslavija's posts...

[Arumdaum]

So spying on gay neighbors to the police is not discrimination about gays?

I am not lying, it is a fact. There was no gays in Russia 20 years ago. The western liberals just said a message "you feeling, moral is relative. Do what ever you want"

This looks like satire, but I know it's not.

Just what... what is this?

[The Tiger Kingdom]

I am not lying, it is a fact. There was no gays in Russia 20 years ago. The western liberals just said a message "you feeling, moral is relative. Do what ever you want"

This looks like satire, but I know it's not.

Just what... what is this?

Truly, Russia is unquestionably straight and totally manly at all times.
(also pretty sure the vid in question is older than 20 years)

[Australasia]

I mean that gays are ok in Russia since nobody is persecute them for being gay (of course gay marriages are not human rights).

Also, homosexuality is really un-slavic.

I say, are you joking or being serious? Your post is quite laughable, to put it mildly.

The United Nations Human Rights Council has already affirmed that LGBT rights in their entirety are a component of universal human rights. Period.

And the the United Nations Human Rights office has explicitly called on Russia to repeal these homophobic statues immediately, to adhere to international human rights law. So has the European Court of Human Rights, the European Parliament, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the international community in general, and so on and so forth.

[Australasia]

On Russian Rights: Why don't Gay, Bi Russians emigrate to...say...Estonia? (Not that I know their laws, anything's an upgrade over Putin).

On Olympics: The IOC should force Russia to allow gay athletes to participate, or face relocation of Olympics (It's rash, but who knows? It might work.)

1. I really get slight peeved when people suggest that. For the tens of millions of LGBT people in Russia and in other difficult places, they don't have the means to do so.
2. They better do something or we'll all be learning in the history books a few years from now how the IOC didn't learn from the lessons of the Nazi Olympics.

[Anachronous Rex]

I mean that gays are ok in Russia since nobody is persecute them for being gay (of course gay marriages are not human rights).

Also, homosexuality is really un-slavic.

Oh come now... "The Russian Bear?"