This month in hunting accidents

[Allbeama]

growing up in the woods, one of the first thing parents teach their children is not to go outside during the first week of hunting season.

humans are idiots about a lot of things.
the combination of drinking and hunting is one of them.

Exactly and that is a big problem. Why should we be trapped inside just because the hunters "invade(sorry guys I know you don't like this word but I don't know a better way to describe it)" the area? They make our communities unsafe.

Oh yeah let's think of the children! Guess what wear bright orange clothes. And you can complain to the local authorities if anyone is on your property that you didn't allow to be there.

[Natapoc]

[snip]

And it is perfectly legitimate to discuss what sorts of limitations should exist on hunting. The large number of incidents I've cited just this month demonstrate that it is a much larger problem then many people seem to think. But I have to go to sleep now. Goodnight. I'll read for any interesting comments in this thread in the morning.

[Galloism]

[snip]

And it is perfectly legitimate to discuss what sorts of limitations should exist on hunting. The large number of incidents I've cited just this month demonstrate that it is a much larger problem then many people seem to think. But I have to go to sleep now. Goodnight. I'll read for any interesting comments in this thread in the morning.

Let's see some statistics when you get back - not incidents.

Incidents don't impress me.

[Natapoc]

growing up in the woods, one of the first thing parents teach their children is not to go outside during the first week of hunting season.

humans are idiots about a lot of things.
the combination of drinking and hunting is one of them.

Exactly and that is a big problem. Why should we be trapped inside just because the hunters "invade(sorry guys I know you don't like this word but I don't know a better way to describe it)" the area? They make our communities unsafe.

Oh yeah let's think of the children! Guess what wear bright orange clothes. And you can complain to the local authorities if anyone is on your property that you didn't allow to be there.

Yes wear bright clothes in the comfort of your own yard lest you get shot. That does not seem like a very reasonable thing to me.

[Allbeama]

[snip]

And it is perfectly legitimate to discuss what sorts of limitations should exist on hunting. The large number of incidents I've cited just this month demonstrate that it is a much larger problem then many people seem to think. But I have to go to sleep now. Goodnight. I'll read for any interesting comments in this thread in the morning.

There are limitations on hunting. The world isn't going to perfectly safe no matter what you think. You only get one life, so please don't spend it shitting on everything you personally don't like.

[Galloism]

growing up in the woods, one of the first thing parents teach their children is not to go outside during the first week of hunting season.

humans are idiots about a lot of things.
the combination of drinking and hunting is one of them.

Exactly and that is a big problem. Why should we be trapped inside just because the hunters "invade(sorry guys I know you don't like this word but I don't know a better way to describe it)" the area? They make our communities unsafe.

Oh yeah let's think of the children! Guess what wear bright orange clothes. And you can complain to the local authorities if anyone is on your property that you didn't allow to be there.

Yes wear bright clothes in the comfort of your own yard lest you get shot. That does not seem like a very reasonable thing to me.

Orange is the new pink.

[Allbeama]

growing up in the woods, one of the first thing parents teach their children is not to go outside during the first week of hunting season.

humans are idiots about a lot of things.
the combination of drinking and hunting is one of them.

Exactly and that is a big problem. Why should we be trapped inside just because the hunters "invade(sorry guys I know you don't like this word but I don't know a better way to describe it)" the area? They make our communities unsafe.

Oh yeah let's think of the children! Guess what wear bright orange clothes. And you can complain to the local authorities if anyone is on your property that you didn't allow to be there.

Yes wear bright clothes in the comfort of your own yard lest you get shot. That does not seem like a very reasonable thing to me.

And completely ignore everything else I just said.

[Zeyad]

growing up in the woods, one of the first thing parents teach their children is not to go outside during the first week of hunting season.

humans are idiots about a lot of things.
the combination of drinking and hunting is one of them.

Exactly and that is a big problem. Why should we be trapped inside just because the hunters "invade(sorry guys I know you don't like this word but I don't know a better way to describe it)" the area? They make our communities unsafe.

Oh yeah let's think of the children! Guess what wear bright orange clothes. And you can complain to the local authorities if anyone is on your property that you didn't allow to be there.

Yes wear bright clothes in the comfort of your own yard lest you get shot. That does not seem like a very reasonable thing to me.

Orange is the new pink.

Silly you. Everyone knows black's the new pink! Here that kiddies! Run into the dark forest wearing all black! You'll be cool!

[Non Aligned States]

Okay you think it is no big deal. An acceptable level... Here is yet another that I've not covered from this month.

*snip emotional appeal tripe*

You may be able to just dismiss all these cases but I can't.

I can because I'm not so stupid as to think that because the accident involved firearms, there's a magic wand out there that makes it worse than the thousands of fatalities worldwide caused by car accidents, shipping accidents, industrial accidents, and FSM knows how many retarded accidents that could be avoided if we simply banned people from moving outside of an oversized inflated rubber ball or padded cell.

Accidents happen. There are laws to deal with them. If they aren't enforced enough, then you might have a point, but that's not what you're saying.

[CIB EMPIRE]

How many car related deaths/injuries have their been in this past month? i think cars should be banned.
How about sports? Many injuries their! lets ban it!
What about just walking in general? ALOT of people trip and die while walking. I personally think that people should be banned from walking.

ok. Sounds good

Seriously though, what do you think is a good way to reduce these cases? Or do you feel that all these people dieing/being injured in a single month is acceptable loss?

if we ban hunting then we should ban anything else that can get someone hurt.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I'm going to start posting every car accident in the country that involves a fatality.

I'll be posting here every 13 minutes for the rest of time.

As hunting is typically classified as a "sport" by practitioners and others A better car analogy would be street racing (also a sport). Can you tell me why the supposed right of a driver to race his car is worth the risk that others will die from crashes?

The last time I checked, street racing is illegal. Hunting is not.

[Krazniastan]

As a shooter, I can tell you that this is almost always the fault of the hunter (hunTARD) in poor planning, and insufficient/inadequate saftey practices. Many of the people that go hunting really don't have any damn business being out there in the first place. They go to the range once a year to sight in, don't practice shooting, (IE, go to the range the week before, shoot 3 rounds, get a 'group' 2 feet wide, call it good, then head back into the clubhouse for a beer.) and don't know any damn field craft. They trespass, they vandalize property and fences, and don't bury their gut piles. They shoot at movement, rather than positively Identifying the target and then taking an aimed shot. I could go on, but I won't. Mostly cause I don't really want to get my nose all out of shape this early in the day. . .

However, what isn't reported are all of the hunters who went out and came home safe and sound. Without incident, and who took game responsibly and ethically. A few bad apples make the rest look bad as it were. . .

That said, deer populations in many areas are artificially high due to agriculture and lack of other predators. This leads to more deer-automobile incidents and more deaths. So its a double edged sword. Personally, I'm able to hunt depredation on an orchard owned by some friends, and I typically take multiple deer throughout the year. (I have a freezer full of delicious venison, and the rest of the meat gets donated to a local food bank.) Its healthier and IMHO, better tasting than beef, and it costs me nothing. (Well, aside from my time and a $0.67 7.62x51mm round.)

[Flameswroth]

Personally, I'm able to hunt depredation on an orchard owned by some friends, and I typically take multiple deer throughout the year. (I have a freezer full of delicious venison, and the rest of the meat gets donated to a local food bank.) Its healthier and IMHO, better tasting than beef, and it costs me nothing. (Well, aside from my time and a $0.67 7.62x51mm round.)

Nice. I'm not all that familiar with hunting for the meat (though we do use it) so the orchard-style hunt doesn't sound too good to me. I bet it does taste good though, with deer eating on the sweet, good things there. The deer we harvest in the Nevada 'outback' as it were eat mostly bitter short grasses and brushes. Not exactly the most prime of meat tastes

[Seangoli]

As a shooter, I can tell you that this is almost always the fault of the hunter (hunTARD) in poor planning, and insufficient/inadequate saftey practices. Many of the people that go hunting really don't have any damn business being out there in the first place. They go to the range once a year to sight in, don't practice shooting, (IE, go to the range the week before, shoot 3 rounds, get a 'group' 2 feet wide, call it good, then head back into the clubhouse for a beer.) and don't know any damn field craft. They trespass, they vandalize property and fences, and don't bury their gut piles. They shoot at movement, rather than positively Identifying the target and then taking an aimed shot. I could go on, but I won't. Mostly cause I don't really want to get my nose all out of shape this early in the day. . .

My father wouldn't take me hunting the first year until I could hit a playing card sized target from at least 50 yards away, consistently. As in, if I missed 1 out of 10, I had to practice more. Then I had to hit a target twice that size from 100 yards consistently, for good practice. He also didn't mention my gun wasn't loaded and would, throughout the day, say "look, a deer" to see my reaction on the first day of hunting. Point and shoot, or scope it out first. Needless to say, it was a nerveracking couple of months leading up to it, and during it, but well worth the lessons in responsible actions.

I hate nothing more than those who take it for granted, really. They are the ones to cause these accident and problems, and it is truly sad. I guess it stems from differing viewpoints: They see it as a right, that they have the RRIGHT to hunt. I was always taught it was a privilege with responsibilities involved. If I wasn't a responsible hunter, my dad would have never taken me out. So, those who do take advantage really put a bad light on it.