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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:05 pm

Blasveck wrote:
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Why did the complainer say they felt threatened?


"I don't like the sight of dem niggers."

In reality, we don't know, AFAIK.


So why bullshit with the niggers jibe? The fact is that we don't know. Everyone is assuming that it's down to racism but perhaps there was another reason.

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Postby Luveria » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:06 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Luveria wrote:>a group of twenty-five regulars
>one person complains
>the twenty-five regulars are politely told to GTFO

You don't see a situation that may have been handled poorly by the manager?


I think that the situation was handled poorly. I don't see it as a case of "OMG racism!!!!!1!!" without more information.

You need to remember, the manager didn't kick the group out at the request of the complainer, they went to re-seat the group.

Certainly. It's possible the complainer was racially motivated and the manager was unaware of it. No one seems to know, but it is easy to see the situation was poorly handled both during the incident and after.

Blasveck wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Why did the complainer say they felt threatened?


"I don't like the sight of dem niggers."

In reality, we don't know, AFAIK.

But we can judge it to be a poorly handled situation regardless of the complainer's reason.

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Postby Leningrad Union » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:06 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Why did the complainer say they felt threatened?


"I don't like the sight of dem niggers."

In reality, we don't know, AFAIK.

It is always assumed to be racism.

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:06 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Geilinor wrote:No good reason at all.


You know that? Do you have a source? Or is it an assumption?


Given how potentially charged this incident could be, the complete lack of any alternate explanation speaks volumes.

It would be obvious to any but the most absolutely dense person what this looks like. If there were an alternate explanation, you'd think they'd be eager to get it out there.

Obviously, the fact that they didn't doesn't prove anything conclusively--but it makes for an awfully compelling likelihood.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:10 pm

Luveria wrote:Certainly. It's possible the complainer was racially motivated and the manager was unaware of it. No one seems to know, but it is easy to see the situation was poorly handled both during the incident and after.


Even that I'm not sure of. Apparently the group was videoing the incident, why isn't that video doing the rounds?

I'll be honest, if I'd been waiting for a table for 2 hours in a restaurant and then on finally getting one I was immediately asked to move then it's unlikely my reaction would be "okay then". It's far more likely to be along the lines of "are you serious? Go fuck yourself".

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Postby Blasveck » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:11 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
"I don't like the sight of dem niggers."

In reality, we don't know, AFAIK.


So why bullshit with the niggers jibe? The fact is that we don't know. Everyone is assuming that it's down to racism but perhaps there was another reason.


I haven't assumed that it was directly because of racism.
We don't know.

It was just a small joke. Calm down.
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Postby The Mugunghwa » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:15 pm

A party of African-Americans was kicked out of one singular restaurant in the South for completely ambiguous reasons.

Obviously that means America is a racially oppressive police state.

I hate this website.

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Postby Leningrad Union » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:16 pm

The Mugunghwa wrote:A party of African-Americans was kicked out of one singular restaurant in the South for completely ambiguous reasons.

Obviously that means America is a racially oppressive police state.

I hate this website.

I agree with you except for the last part.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:16 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You know that? Do you have a source? Or is it an assumption?


Given how potentially charged this incident could be, the complete lack of any alternate explanation speaks volumes.

It would be obvious to any but the most absolutely dense person what this looks like. If there were an alternate explanation, you'd think they'd be eager to get it out there.

Obviously, the fact that they didn't doesn't prove anything conclusively--but it makes for an awfully compelling likelihood.


Given how potentially charged the situation is, doesn't it make far more sense for the business to keep quiet and take a bit of a beating now that goes away in a few days rather than spin it out into a he-said she-said lasting several news cycles?

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Postby Luveria » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:16 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Luveria wrote:Certainly. It's possible the complainer was racially motivated and the manager was unaware of it. No one seems to know, but it is easy to see the situation was poorly handled both during the incident and after.


Even that I'm not sure of. Apparently the group was videoing the incident, why isn't that video doing the rounds?

I'll be honest, if I'd been waiting for a table for 2 hours in a restaurant and then on finally getting one I was immediately asked to move then it's unlikely my reaction would be "okay then". It's far more likely to be along the lines of "are you serious? Go fuck yourself".

I'm wondering about the video too. It could be showing a reaction of something like telling the manager to go fuck himself. Even if that were what happened, the group was likely being treated unfairly in the first place.

To be fair, it would be difficult to tell if the complainer was racist even if he was. It could be he just somehow felt threatened by a large group of twenty-five regular customers no one else ever complained about, which would put him at fault for making an issue out of nothing. All I'm convinced of is that the manager handled the situation poorly during and after.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:16 pm

The Mugunghwa wrote:A party of African-Americans was kicked out of one singular restaurant in the South for completely ambiguous reasons.

Obviously that means America is a racially oppressive police state.

I hate this website.


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Postby The Mugunghwa » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:16 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
The Mugunghwa wrote:A party of African-Americans was kicked out of one singular restaurant in the South for completely ambiguous reasons.

Obviously that means America is a racially oppressive police state.

I hate this website.

I agree with you except for the last part.

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Postby Shaggai » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:19 pm

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Leningrad Union wrote:I agree with you except for the last part.

It's called ~*SaRcAsM*~

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Postby Blasveck » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:20 pm

The Mugunghwa wrote:A party of African-Americans was kicked out of one singular restaurant in the South for completely ambiguous reasons.

Obviously that means America is a racially oppressive police state.

I hate this website.


Not everyone here is claiming that its because of racism.

So stop with the bullshit.
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Postby The Mugunghwa » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:22 pm

Blasveck wrote:
The Mugunghwa wrote:A party of African-Americans was kicked out of one singular restaurant in the South for completely ambiguous reasons.

Obviously that means America is a racially oppressive police state.

I hate this website.


Not everyone here is claiming that its because of racism.

So stop with the bullshit.

I'm not referring to everyone in this thread. Only most of the posters.

I just don't understand how some people can honestly think that generalizations against them are unspeakable and oppressive, but generalizations against their opponents are justified. It's insanity.

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Postby Geilinor » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:58 pm

The Mugunghwa wrote:A party of African-Americans was kicked out of one singular restaurant in the South for completely ambiguous reasons.

Obviously that means America is a racially oppressive police state.

I hate this website.

1.) If there was an alternate reason, I'd think the restaurant would be trying to defend themselves.
2.) US law has been used to argue against the manager's actions.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:00 pm

This isn't necessarily racism, but it sounds like the manager could have handled it better. Was there even a good reason to kick them out?
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Postby Luveria » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:01 pm

Rocopurr wrote:This isn't necessarily racism, but it sounds like the manager could have handled it better. Was there even a good reason to kick them out?

If there was, you'd think the restaurant would have stepped forward to explain the reason.

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Postby Rocopurr » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:07 pm

Luveria wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:This isn't necessarily racism, but it sounds like the manager could have handled it better. Was there even a good reason to kick them out?

If there was, you'd think the restaurant would have stepped forward to explain the reason.

Indeed. I'm also not sure why 25 regulars would suddenly start causing trouble or why only a single person would notice this.

I'm not sure the manager should be fired though. Punished, yes, but I'm on the fence about firing them..
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Postby Abatael » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:09 pm

And?
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Postby Rocopurr » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:11 pm

Abatael wrote:And?

And what do you think? The OP asks multiple questions regarding the topic.
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Postby Luveria » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:12 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Luveria wrote:If there was, you'd think the restaurant would have stepped forward to explain the reason.

Indeed. I'm also not sure why 25 regulars would suddenly start causing trouble or why only a single person would notice this.

I'm not sure the manager should be fired though. Punished, yes, but I'm on the fence about firing them..

Firing the manager would be to admit wrongdoing. The owner may be trying to downplay it by remaining silent and hoping it goes away.

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Postby Alien Space Bats » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:12 pm

New Randia wrote:ever consider the possibility that it is a fundamentally unjust law?

I will do so now...

<considers>

No, it isn't. It is in the interest of promoting interstate travel on the part of American citizens and foreigners here on legitimate business that places which cater to travelers (hotels, restaurants, grocery and convenience stores, gas stations, automobile repair shop, drugstores, etc.) be available to serve everyone. This coming Wednesday is the 50th Anniversary of the March on Washington for Freedom and Jobs; those who participated back in 1963 have stories about how many of them had to travel hundreds of miles without finding a place to eat, bed down for the night, use the lavatory, or engage in any number of activities travellers normally engage in. Was that "just"?

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No exceptions.


like the anti-juden laws in germany cira 1939?

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Postby Abatael » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:15 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Abatael wrote:And?

And what do you think? The OP asks multiple questions regarding the topic.


I guess they should just take the meal. But if the food isn't that good, then I wouldn't eat there. But, I guess, they might like it.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:16 pm

Luveria wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Indeed. I'm also not sure why 25 regulars would suddenly start causing trouble or why only a single person would notice this.

I'm not sure the manager should be fired though. Punished, yes, but I'm on the fence about firing them..

Firing the manager would be to admit wrongdoing. The owner may be trying to downplay it by remaining silent and hoping it goes away.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were.

Abatael wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:And what do you think? The OP asks multiple questions regarding the topic.


I guess they should just take the meal. But if the food isn't that good, then I wouldn't eat there. But, I guess, they might like it.

Considering the group were regulars I assume they like the food there.
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