NM Supreme Court Forces Christian to Take Gay Wedding Photos

[Murray land]

Let me give you a point of view I live in an area where we have tons of Albanians who left their native country after the Serbians put them to the firing squad would you say that they are out of line to discriminate against Serbians who commited genocide on them?

To blame all Serbs for something only a few are responsible for, and deny them rights to purchase based on ethnicity. Yes, I still think it's wrong.

Oh that be a bold claim lad come to my hometown go into hometown pizza say that to the Albanian family who runs it and then be prepared to run like hell as they chase you down.Also look at Kosovo small portions my ass. To compare the way those people feel about each other is like Israel and Palestine. Here is a better example a my jewish friends hate National Socialists. Now based on your argument that all discrimination is wrong, is the discrimination of my friends against this ideology wrong?

[Mavorpen]

So wwh did the photographers deny service to the couple in question?

Because of discrimination.

You DO realize that private businesses use public goods and services, right...?

Yeah, so? You realize they pay taxes towards what they use, right?[/quote]
Fantastic job moving the goal posts.

[Geilinor]

Why should the victim have to go elsewhere? What if the victim doesn't have a computer or Internet access and lives in a small town of 1,000 people where that store is the only place to get the necessary goods within the area?

Because the seller doesn't want to sell.
Move. I'm all in favour of discouraging rural living.

No it isn't a dollar $1.50 is still $1.50, no matter who holds it.

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How many times have I said this, now?
Mr Jackson is offering to sell you an x at $1.50.
Mr Ford is offering to sell you an identical x at $0.50.

Your money is worth more to one than it is to the other.

You did see my reflexive property of mathematics example, right? x=x. $1.50=$1.50. It doesn't matter who is holding it. If you believe the value changes based on the person holding it, you just twisted logic.

[Hallistar]

To blame all Serbs for something only a few are responsible for, and deny them rights to purchase based on ethnicity. Yes, I still think it's wrong.

Oh that be a bold claim lad come to my hometown go into hometown pizza say that to the Albanian family who runs it and then be prepared to run like hell as they chase you down.Also look at Kosovo small portions my ass. To compare the way those people feel about each other is like Israel and Palestine. Here is a better example a my jewish friends hate National Socialists. Now based on your argument that all discrimination is wrong, is the discrimination of my friends against this ideology wrong?

Harboring a dislike of National Socialists is a dislike of an ideology, which isn't the same as harboring a dislike of all Serbians which is based on their ethnicity.

[Twilliamson]

Wrong. $1.50 is still worth more than $.50 to them.

So why did the photographers deny service to the couple in question?

Because their money was worth less to them than that of a straight couple.

You DO realize that private businesses use public goods and services, right...?

Yeah, so? You realize they pay taxes towards what they use, right?

Doesn't matter, if a black man buys either one for their fixed price, it's the same as if a white man buys it, at that fixed price.

The fact that this thread even exists is proof that all customers' money is not worth the same to everybody.

If you try to spend it will it stil have the same vaule?

[Geilinor]

To blame all Serbs for something only a few are responsible for, and deny them rights to purchase based on ethnicity. Yes, I still think it's wrong.

Oh that be a bold claim lad come to my hometown go into hometown pizza say that to the Albanian family who runs it and then be prepared to run like hell as they chase you down.Also look at Kosovo small portions my ass. To compare the way those people feel about each other is like Israel and Palestine.

If they're doing it out of anger, thirst for revenge, spite, and hatred, yes.

[Murray land]

Oh that be a bold claim lad come to my hometown go into hometown pizza say that to the Albanian family who runs it and then be prepared to run like hell as they chase you down.Also look at Kosovo small portions my ass. To compare the way those people feel about each other is like Israel and Palestine. Here is a better example a my jewish friends hate National Socialists. Now based on your argument that all discrimination is wrong, is the discrimination of my friends against this ideology wrong?

Harboring a dislike of National Socialists is a dislike of an ideology, which isn't the same as harboring a dislike of all Serbians which is based on their ethnicity.

Swing and a miss there my boy his argument is that all discrimination of anything is wrong.

[Neo Rome Republic]

To blame all Serbs for something only a few are responsible for, and deny them rights to purchase based on ethnicity. Yes, I still think it's wrong.

Oh that be a bold claim lad come to my hometown go into hometown pizza say that to the Albanian family who runs it and then be prepared to run like hell as they chase you down.Also look at Kosovo small portions my ass. To compare the way those people feel about each other is like Israel and Palestine. Here is a better example a my jewish friends hate National Socialists. Now based on your argument that all discrimination is wrong, is the discrimination of my friends against this ideology wrong?

If the neo-nazis aren't causing any trouble or wear any racist symbolism, or being discriminatory in any way then yes, you should serve them. This country allows free-speech. So now you've stooped to threats, because you can't prove your point. Sorry the law doesn't play favorites, please stop thinking you're special.

[Geilinor]

Harboring a dislike of National Socialists is a dislike of an ideology, which isn't the same as harboring a dislike of all Serbians which is based on their ethnicity.

Swing and a miss there my boy his argument is that all discrimination of anything is wrong.

No, nobody said that. There are valid reasons to deny service. For example, refusing to sell alcohol to a child is valid because they do not understand the full consequences of that action and are more susceptible to the harmful effects. Refusing to sell something to a gay person or a black person is not valid.

[Twilliamson]

In that case Churches, should have the right not to marry, based on race.

Cut it with this false equivalency crap. Sexual orientation =/= race. You've tried to make this point several times now, and repeating it isn't going to make people agree with you.

what is the differnce between not serving somebody because they are a certain race and not servng somebody because the are gay?

[Zottistan]

So why did the photographers deny service to the couple in question?

Because their money was worth less to them than that of a straight couple.
Yeah, so? You realize they pay taxes towards what they use, right?
The fact that this thread even exists is proof that all customers' money is not worth the same to everybody.

Um no, it doesn't prove anything. Again $1.50 is still $1.50, no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

It proves that the photographers values the lesbians' money as less than a straight couples.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Um no, it doesn't prove anything. Again $1.50 is still $1.50, no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

It proves that the photographers values the lesbians' money as less than a straight couples.

Doesn't matter, that money would still be equally valid legal tender, for them to use. If it came or heteros or homos

[Murray land]

Oh that be a bold claim lad come to my hometown go into hometown pizza say that to the Albanian family who runs it and then be prepared to run like hell as they chase you down.Also look at Kosovo small portions my ass. To compare the way those people feel about each other is like Israel and Palestine. Here is a better example a my jewish friends hate National Socialists. Now based on your argument that all discrimination is wrong, is the discrimination of my friends against this ideology wrong?

If the neo-nazis aren't causing any trouble then yes, you should serve them. This country allows free-speech. So now you've stooped to threats, because you can't prove your point. Sorry the law doesn't play favorites, please stop thinking you're special.

??????????????????????????? Dios mios. I haven't stooped to threats in fact I could promise that if I walked in there and said that I would be chased down. You clearly have never been threatened and if you have I understand why. I have proved my point you are just reluctant to counter it with contrary evidence, that people should be told what to think or do because that is wrong.

[Mavorpen]

Um no, it doesn't prove anything. Again $1.50 is still $1.50, no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

It proves that the photographers values the lesbians' money as less than a straight couples.

Cool. So you've proven the photographer is an idiot and doesn't understand arithmetic. Why does this mean they can discriminate based on orientation?

[Zottistan]

It proves that the photographers values the lesbians' money as less than a straight couples.

Doesn't matter, that money would still be equally valid legal tender, for them to use. If it came or heteros or homos

They valued it as less. So it was an unconsensual purchase. Which is called theft.

[Zottistan]

It proves that the photographers values the lesbians' money as less than a straight couples.

Cool. So you've proven the photographer is an idiot and doesn't understand arithmetic. Why does this mean they can discriminate based on orientation?

It proves the purchase was unconsensual. Which is theft.

[Geilinor]

Um no, it doesn't prove anything. Again $1.50 is still $1.50, no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

It proves that the photographers values the lesbians' money as less than a straight couples.

You can't change the value of currency through prejudice.

[Murray land]

Of course they should you have the right to refuse people's business. Especially if you find it in direct conflict with what you believe and especially if that belief is what helps you run your business the women who ran the company is a devout Christian clearly part of her reason to do wedding photos was her belief in God and she see's gay marriage as an offense to that personally I don't agree with her but I will respect her right to turn people away based on the argument of free enterprise religious rights and freedom of association. What really irratates me is the fact that this couple sued the company to make them take the photos. This case is crap and is a miscarriage of justice.

In that case one should have the right to discriminate based one Race, sex, political affiliation, and whether they like your fashion sense.

Correction this is his argument that all forms of discrimination are wrong including political hence my National Socialist reference

[Zottistan]

It proves that the photographers values the lesbians' money as less than a straight couples.

You can't change the value of currency like that.

You can subjectively, by reducing the value of the things you buy with it to yourself.

[Geilinor]

Cool. So you've proven the photographer is an idiot and doesn't understand arithmetic. Why does this mean they can discriminate based on orientation?

It proves the purchase was unconsensual. Which is theft.

How is it theft if you pay them for it? If the business owner refuses to accept the money, it isn't the customers problem. The customer paid.

[Mavorpen]

Cool. So you've proven the photographer is an idiot and doesn't understand arithmetic. Why does this mean they can discriminate based on orientation?

It proves the purchase was unconsensual. Which is theft.

No it isn't. Learn what the word theft means.

[Neo Rome Republic]

If the neo-nazis aren't causing any trouble then yes, you should serve them. This country allows free-speech. So now you've stooped to threats, because you can't prove your point. Sorry the law doesn't play favorites, please stop thinking you're special.

??????????????????????????? Dios mios. I haven't stooped to threats in fact I could promise that if I walked in there and said that I would be chased down. You clearly have never been threatened and if you have I understand why. I have proved my point you are just reluctant to counter it with contrary evidence, that people should be told what to think or do because that is wrong.

People could think what they want but not everyone's values should be upheld, simply because it's their values. Otherwise human sacrifice and, lynchings would be legal. If they were to assault me, I'd sue them. If you want another reason, it's because we live in a Representative democracy, and the majority think it's wrong.

[Geilinor]

It proves the purchase was unconsensual. Which is theft.

No it isn't. Learn what the word theft means.

He's trying to transplant the definition of rape onto the word theft. It's incredibly disingenuous.

[Neo Rome Republic]

In that case one should have the right to discriminate based one Race, sex, political affiliation, and whether they like your fashion sense.

Correction this is his argument that all forms of discrimination are wrong including political hence my National Socialist reference

You seem to think all forms discrimination are okay.

[Twilliamson]

Cool. So you've proven the photographer is an idiot and doesn't understand arithmetic. Why does this mean they can discriminate based on orientation?

It proves the purchase was unconsensual. Which is theft.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theft?s=t