NM Supreme Court Forces Christian to Take Gay Wedding Photos

[Herrebrugh]

Of course, then you have situations like this one, where you have someone else call back with identical or nearly identical circumstances but straight instead of gay or white instead of black.

If the offending offer is rejected, while the other isn't, that's a strong case for unlawful discrimination.

Hell, in Florida, we had a whole agency devoted to that for landlords/renters.

If i had a business today i would just turn the whole thing into a private club membership enterprise, and tell those seeking to dictate what i can and cannot do with my business to go to hell.

Congrats.

[HappyShark]

Yes but i didn;t bring it up Mavorpen did. I was merely responding follow the quotes back.

You did bring it up, actually:

Well given that the alternative was to be essentially fined out of business for failing to comply, i would say that yeah that's pretty darn close to "being forced to participate".

And it still is an absolute non-argument.

and so the next time a gay couple asks for their wedding to be photographed... the answer is

Please choose:

a. Burn in eternal hell for participating in said gay wedding
b. Fuck your religion and take the photos.

[Mavorpen]

Neither am I. Running a public accommodation and applying for a job aren't the same thing, nor are they similar.

This isn't complicated.

I disagree i believe for the purposes here they are quite similar.

No they aren't. They aren't similar in the least.

[Llamalandia]

I didn't claim it was either!

Well given that the alternative was to be essentially fined out of business for failing to comply, i would say that yeah that's pretty darn close to "being forced to participate".

Stop lying.

No because that wasn't a far off what if. Esentially what happens in these situations is the business keeps getting fined often to a maximum amount (which you claim to be 14k if I'm not mistaken) per incident. I don't think it's a huge leap in logic to assume that other gay couples would seek out this business's services and ultimately via fines adn court fees drive it out of business no matter how much it's worth or what the size of the fine is.

[HappyShark]

If i had a business today i would just turn the whole thing into a private club membership enterprise, and tell those seeking to dictate what i can and cannot do with my business to go to hell.

Congrats.

the upside being gifts and donations are non-taxable, so the state loses income too. i wonder how many business doing this it will take before states realize that maybe they should really be careful with how they legislate.

[Herrebrugh]

You did bring it up, actually:



And it still is an absolute non-argument.

and so the next time a gay couple asks for their wedding to be photographed... the answer is

Please choose:

a. Burn in eternal hell for participating in said gay wedding
b. Fuck your religion and take the photos.

If you don't want to photograph certain people's weddings, don't become a wedding photographer.

[Llamalandia]

I disagree i believe for the purposes here they are quite similar.

No they aren't. They aren't similar in the least.

Yes yes they are they are similiar in some respects as I've out lined.

[Llamalandia]

and so the next time a gay couple asks for their wedding to be photographed... the answer is

Please choose:

a. Burn in eternal hell for participating in said gay wedding
b. Fuck your religion and take the photos.

If you don't want to photograph certain people's weddings, don't become a wedding photographer.

Not sure but i'm guessing they were in the biz well before gay marriage was even being contemplated being legalized anywhere in the US. It seems a tall order to ask some to choose between job and religion.

[Mavorpen]

No because that wasn't a far off what if.

You made a factual claim: that the only alternative was that the company would be fined out of business.

[Herrebrugh]

If you don't want to photograph certain people's weddings, don't become a wedding photographer.

Not sure but i'm guessing they were in the biz well before gay marriage was even being contemplated being legalized anywhere in the US. It seems a tall order to ask some to choose between job and religion.

Too bad for them.

[Mavorpen]

No they aren't. They aren't similar in the least.

Yes yes they are they are similiar in some respects as I've out lined.

You haven't outlined anything.

[Ryannium]

Their business, their rules. Last time I checked, America was a "free" country. Guess you can't see how much similar you bleeding hearts are with the actual homophobes in methodology

[Herrebrugh]

Their business, their rules. Last time I checked, America was a "free" country. Guess you can't see how much similar you bleeding hearts are with the actual homophobes in methodology

Yeah... It's clearly not allowed to ban certain groups of people from your shop.

Or would you not mind a photographer refusing to photograph an interracial marriage, purely because it's an interracial marriage?

[HappyShark]

and so the next time a gay couple asks for their wedding to be photographed... the answer is

Please choose:

a. Burn in eternal hell for participating in said gay wedding
b. Fuck your religion and take the photos.

If you don't want to photograph certain people's weddings, don't become a wedding photographer.

Ah yes the then you have no right to be in business argument: oh you are christian, please fill out this questionnaire regarding your beliefs and value system.
I'm sorry your application for a business license has been denied, if you like we have rehabilitation classes you can take. Your beliefs currently do not conform with state law.

[Dyakovo]

No, because of separation of church and state.

LRN2LAW, please.

separation of church and state DOES NOT appear anywhere in actual law...

Don't lie.

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Actually given the amount of legislating from the bench SCOTUS does<SNIP>

You mean none at all?

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The First Amendment says that Congress can't establish a religion or prevent anyone from belonging to whatever religion they choose. It does not grant religious people the privilege of discriminating against others based on their religious beliefs. All it does is prevent those beliefs from being made illegal. That is not the case here.

Well her religious belief of participating in a gay marriage being a sin and essentially being forbidden by her church just became illegal. In other words burn in eternal hell or participate in this gay wedding.

Fuck you and your religion, you will participate in this gay wedding.

No-one said that she has to participate in a gay wedding. Taking pictures of the wedding of a gay couple (or baking a wedding cake for a gay couple) is not participating in the wedding.

[Mavorpen]

Their business, their rules. Last time I checked, America was a "free" country.

So the last time you checked, it was before the 1960s?

[Herrebrugh]

If you don't want to photograph certain people's weddings, don't become a wedding photographer.

Ah yes the then you have no right to be in business argument: oh you are christian, please fill out this questionnaire regarding your beliefs and value system.
I'm sorry your application for a business license has been denied, if you like we have rehabilitation classes you can take. Your beliefs currently do not conform with state law.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Go wash your hands.

[Blasveck]

Their business, their rules. Last time I checked, America was a "free" country. Guess you can't see how much similar you bleeding hearts are with the actual homophobes in methodology

So I guess all those African Americans should've just dealt with it pre-1960s?

[HappyShark]

Ah yes the then you have no right to be in business argument: oh you are christian, please fill out this questionnaire regarding your beliefs and value system.
I'm sorry your application for a business license has been denied, if you like we have rehabilitation classes you can take. Your beliefs currently do not conform with state law.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Go wash your hands.

I'm sorry if you have no imagination and lack the ability to wrap your mind around what was written.

[HappyShark]

separation of church and state DOES NOT appear anywhere in actual law...

Don't lie.

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Actually given the amount of legislating from the bench SCOTUS does<SNIP>

You mean none at all?

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Well her religious belief of participating in a gay marriage being a sin and essentially being forbidden by her church just became illegal. In other words burn in eternal hell or participate in this gay wedding.

Fuck you and your religion, you will participate in this gay wedding.

No-one said that she has to participate in a gay wedding. Taking pictures of the wedding of a gay couple (or baking a wedding cake for a gay couple) is not participating in the wedding.

I know it is the standard fuck you and your religion, we will decide what is right and wrong and what your religion is.

[Herrebrugh]

This makes no sense whatsoever. Go wash your hands.

I'm sorry if you have no imagination and lack the ability to wrap your mind around what was written.

All I see is a failed attempt at a slippery slope fallacy.

[Dyakovo]

Don't lie.

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You mean none at all?

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No-one said that she has to participate in a gay wedding. Taking pictures of the wedding of a gay couple (or baking a wedding cake for a gay couple) is not participating in the wedding.

I know it is the standard fuck you and your religion, we will decide what is right and wrong and what your religion is.

If you think that your religion gives you the "right" to discriminate, then yes, it is a big fuck you to the person's religion and to the ignorant twat who believes that their religion gives them the right to discriminate.
There isn't and never has been a right to discriminate.

[Allie Youngblood]

Their business, their rules. Last time I checked, America was a "free" country. Guess you can't see how much similar you bleeding hearts are with the actual homophobes in methodology

Sorry, smiley faces don't make your opinion any less idiotic.

[HappyShark]

I know it is the standard fuck you and your religion, we will decide what is right and wrong and what your religion is.

If you think that your religion gives you the "right" to discriminate, then yes, it is a big fuck you to the person's religion and to the ignorant twat who believes that their religion gives them the right to discriminate.
There isn't and never has been a right to discriminate.

Thank you for being honest

You do not give a shit if someone has to burn in hell per their own beliefs as long as you get your way.

[Allie Youngblood]

No-one said that she has to participate in a gay wedding. Taking pictures of the wedding of a gay couple (or baking a wedding cake for a gay couple) is not participating in the wedding.

I know it is the standard fuck you and your religion, we will decide what is right and wrong and what your religion is.

You do realize that no one has the right to discriminate, right? I mean, you totally can be as bigoted as you like in your personal life, but the United States has already ruled that discrimination as part of business practice is against the law.