NM Supreme Court Forces Christian to Take Gay Wedding Photos

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Annnnnnnd who gives a flying crap?

Well, there are many so-called "communists" and "left-wingers" on this forum who act otherwise. Communism oppose homosexuality and every true communists should follow the words of Marx.

You mean every true Marxist.

[Auralia]

Why does "freedom from discrimination" trump property rights, freedom to contract

Why do unliving things trump people?

Ms. Huguenin is a person.

and freedom of religion?

Where does religion say "Thou shalt not take photos of gay people"?

The Catholic Church teaches that gay marriage is wrong. Participation in a moral wrong is also a moral wrong.

[Wikkiwallana]

Annnnnnnd who gives a flying crap?

Well, there are many so-called "communists" and "left-wingers" on this forum who act otherwise. Communism oppose homosexuality and every true communists should follow the words of Marx.

I don't know whether to laugh or scream.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Why do unliving things trump people?

Ms. Huguenin is a person.

Where does religion say "Thou shalt not take photos of gay people"?

The Catholic Church teaches that gay marriage is wrong. Participation in a moral wrong is also a moral wrong.

No, the Catholic Church teaches that being gay is wrong.
Not gay marriage. It's different.

[Auralia]

Taking a photograph of someone is artistic expression.

Not inherently.

When is it not a form of artistic expression?

[Mavorpen]

The Catholic Church teaches that gay marriage is wrong. Participation in a moral wrong is also a moral wrong.

Which doesn't give them the right to discriminate.

[Blasveck]

Ms. Huguenin is a person.



The Catholic Church teaches that gay marriage is wrong. Participation in a moral wrong is also a moral wrong.

No, the Catholic Church teaches that being gay is wrong.
Not gay marriage. It's different.

Wrong again.

The Church teachers that gay sex is wrong.

Not being simply gay.

[Auralia]

Ms. Huguenin is a person.



The Catholic Church teaches that gay marriage is wrong. Participation in a moral wrong is also a moral wrong.

No, the Catholic Church teaches that being gay is wrong.
Not gay marriage. It's different.

No, the Church teaches that homosexuality is objectively disordered but not sinful in and of itself. Homosexual acts are sinful.

[Wikkiwallana]

Unless they were doing something illegal, no.

So anyone who asks me to do their work, whether I agree with it, whether its viable, whether I know the client is going to be horrible and I'm going to suffer for months just to do the work, as long as they can pay me, I should have to do it?

I'm sorry, please stick to the original parameters. You said nothing about any of this in the question you asked me.

Hell, I'm Indian, and I refuse to take on Indian clients. I've worked with them a lot, and from hearing project pitches, I know when I'm going to be able to make a profit off a job and when I'm about to make a loss. I should be forced into those situations even when I know from prior experience its not going to go well?

Again, no one said anything about turning down something because it would cost you more than you would earn.

[Wikkiwallana]

Why do unliving things trump people?


Where does religion say "Thou shalt not take photos of gay people"?

It's not a religious issue. It's slavery.

Bullshit.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

No, the Catholic Church teaches that being gay is wrong.
Not gay marriage. It's different.

Wrong again.

The Church teachers that gay sex is wrong.

Not being simply gay.

That's the pope more recently.
Though I haven't read the Bible (better things to see, and people to do.)

[Xsyne]

Unless they were doing something illegal, no.

So anyone who asks me to do their work, whether I agree with it, whether its viable, whether I know the client is going to be horrible and I'm going to suffer for months just to do the work, as long as they can pay me, I should have to do it?

I was unaware "horrible clients" were a protected class.

[Alyekra]

It's not a religious issue. It's slavery.

Bullshit.

This person is being forced to work against their will. What else is it?

[Mollary]

I never figured I'd use the phrase "he knew the risks when he took the job" to describe a photographer, but... she knew the risks when she took the job. She made his decision, argued her case before a judge, and has been judged in accordance with the law. What more can anyone ask for?

A law that isn't tyrannical, for one.

Not discriminating against people is tyrannical now? That's new.

Also I'm surprised an evangelical Christian turned down the opportunity to shoot homosexuals.

[Auralia]

The Catholic Church teaches that gay marriage is wrong. Participation in a moral wrong is also a moral wrong.

Which doesn't give them the right to discriminate.

Everyone, by default, has the right to discriminate. The question is whether the government can infringe on property rights, freedom of contact and freedom of religion by prohibiting what it views as unjust discrimination.

[Bottle]

Bullshit.

This person is being forced to work against their will. What else is it?

Oooh, next let's talk about how taxes are theft!

[Mavorpen]

Bullshit.

This person is being forced to work against their will. What else is it?

Not slavery.

[Auralia]

Wrong again.

The Church teachers that gay sex is wrong.

Not being simply gay.

That's the pope more recently.
Though I haven't read the Bible (better things to see, and people to do.)

No, that's what the Church has always taught. Read the Catechism.

[Enadail]

So anyone who asks me to do their work, whether I agree with it, whether its viable, whether I know the client is going to be horrible and I'm going to suffer for months just to do the work, as long as they can pay me, I should have to do it?

Hell, I'm Indian, and I refuse to take on Indian clients. I've worked with them a lot, and from hearing project pitches, I know when I'm going to be able to make a profit off a job and when I'm about to make a loss. I should be forced into those situations even when I know from prior experience its not going to go well?

You see this isn't at all what was said or what happened.

And if you look back up the conversation here, the question was if I should be allowed to turn down business if I object to the person requesting it, and i was told unless its illegal, no. Just like I object to taking business from Indians, because I have experience in hearing business proposals and know how they go.

In this situation, a private photography company refused to take on clients, and I'm not seeing an issue. Yes, as per the law, they did wrong, but I also think the law is wrong in this case. They government should not discriminate, and should work to ending discrimination, but not force it. Education is what ends discrimination, not forcing people to take on work they don't want.

[Xsyne]

Bullshit.

This person is being forced to work against their will. What else is it?

It's something called "having a job".

[Gauthier]

Where does religion say "Thou shalt not take photos of gay people"?

The Catholic Church teaches that gay marriage is wrong. Participation in a moral wrong is also a moral wrong.

The same Catholic Church with a track record of quietly shuffling around priests who had a habit of blowing their loads inside the buttocks of young boys. Uh huh.

[Auralia]

This person is being forced to work against their will. What else is it?

Oooh, next let's talk about how taxes are theft!

Taxes are justified because they are in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest. I don't think increasing the number of gay wedding photographers is a compelling governmental interest.

[Oglach]

You see this isn't at all what was said or what happened.

And if you look back up the conversation here, the question was if I should be allowed to turn down business if I object to the person requesting it, and i was told unless its illegal, no. Just like I object to taking business from Indians, because I have experience in hearing business proposals and know how they go.

In this situation, a private photography company refused to take on clients, and I'm not seeing an issue. Yes, as per the law, they did wrong, but I also think the law is wrong in this case. They government should not discriminate, and should work to ending discrimination, but not force it. Education is what ends discrimination, not forcing people to take on work they don't want.

Yet their refusal isn't the issue. The reason for their refusal is.

[Magna Libero]

This use of force disgusts me.
Nothing should stop one from not giving a service to someone else.

[Zottistan]

"WEEEEH YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO NOT LIKE ME".

You can dislike whoever you want. You cannot discriminate against whoever you want.

If this concept is giving you trouble, I would encourage you to phone your kindergarten teacher so he/she can explain the concept of "manners."

Manners aren't mandatory. They're obligatory, and you won't get far without them, but it's still an individual's choice to be polite.

Why should the restaurant be forced to?

In addition to your kindergarten teacher, call up your 5th grade teacher and ask them to review "1960s America" with you.

The difference being now that the people who won't serve x minority group are themselves a minority group, at least in a lot of areas.