Why does "freedom from discrimination" trump property rights, freedom to contract and freedom of religion?
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by Zottistan » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:12 am
Bottle wrote:Cetacea wrote:I'm Bi and fine with Gay marriage, but I really don't think a business should be forced to provide services it doesn't want to provide.
Surely the Photographer gave a straight* "sorry we're not available" answer rather than a "I'm not taking pictures of dykes and fags so go burn in hell!"
and really why would you want the reluctant photographer and risk getting really shitty photos
*no pun intended btw:)
"I'm black but I really don't think a restaurant should be forced to provide services to black people if they don't want."
Nope, still not convincing.
by Dragonic Outland » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:12 am
by Ruridova » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:12 am
by Bottle » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:13 am
Alyekra wrote:And yes, I know they (and others in this thread) insist this is about their Freedoms(tm). I used to scream "IT'S A FREE COUNTRY!!!" when my parents declined to let me stay up past 9pm, too, so I guess we're all Freedom Fighters together!
Last time I checked, the photographer was an adult, and the gay couple was not their parents.
by Wikkiwallana » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:13 am
Alyekra wrote:Avenio wrote:You know, a few years ago, I might hve argued that these sorts of laws, while having good intentions, infringed on too many rights and caused too many people to become embittered against progress to be worthwhile.
But now? I'm absolutely for them.
I've seen how certain subsets are digging in their heels and are having to be dragged kicking and screaming into providing LGTB people even with the simple right to exist, let alone marry or have children or have normal lives. They're never going to support LGTB rights legislation without legal teeth, and will work actively against them if no penalty is levied. They're already embittered, and trying to tiptoe around their freedoms to be bigots will only embolden them.
These laws will stop being necessary the day LGTB rights are fully integrated into the fabric of society. Until that far off day, laws like this are necessary evils.
Yeah! Forget about free speech! Human rights aren't as important as this special interest group!
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Wisconsin9 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:14 am
by Wikkiwallana » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:14 am
Scholencia wrote:Marx said and Lenin quoted him that homosexuality is a burgeouise decadency.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Bottle » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:14 am
by Bottle » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:15 am
by Scholencia » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:15 am
by Enadail » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:15 am
by Wikkiwallana » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:15 am
and freedom of religion?
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Oglach » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:16 am
Enadail wrote:Wikkiwallana wrote:Unless they were doing something illegal, no.
So anyone who asks me to do their work, whether I agree with it, whether its viable, whether I know the client is going to be horrible and I'm going to suffer for months just to do the work, as long as they can pay me, I should have to do it?
Hell, I'm Indian, and I refuse to take on Indian clients. I've worked with them a lot, and from hearing project pitches, I know when I'm going to be able to make a profit off a job and when I'm about to make a loss. I should be forced into those situations even when I know from prior experience its not going to go well?
by Wikkiwallana » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:16 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
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