Man Dies After Police Taze Him For Being On Roof (Updated)

[Republic of South Carolina]

It was probably a 10-15/10-96 call out. Non-Lethal Devices may used if a 10-96 will not comply or is resistant.

[Ifreann]

Only druggies get up on roofs.

Or jews with fiddles

Drugged up Jews.

[Pope Joan]

Kids, if you want to shoot people and beat them up and always get away with it, just become a cop.

Calling all bullies.

But hey, It's AZ. That's like FL West when it comes to police.

[Souseiseki]

Why does he have to be a "nice man" for the police behavior towards an unarmed suspect to be unjustified? They strangled the man, tazed him five times, and dragged his body down the stairs inflicting wounds that would result in his brain death. And you can plainly see he didn't resist at all.

Did the police know he was unarmed? Again, we have no idea why the hell he was on that roof nor do we know why police found him to be a threat. Yes, I'll agree he was treated roughly after having been restrained but I'm far less inclined to believe the way they carried him down the stairs (not dragged, that's really misleading) caused him fatal injuries. Prove me wrong with a coroner's report.

And this happened almost a month ago. The police have flat-out refused to explain why they did what they did. Usual bullshit about an "internal investigation" which will result in the usual clearing of all officers involved.

If you disagree with their policies then file a lawsuit. No point bitching on the internet about how you find police internal investigations to be bullshit.

so you admit that they treated him roughly to an unnecessary degree after he was restrained? you know, the main thing for any claims of police brutality here? but you still came in "how do we know this is a case of police brutality??? why was he on the roof???? i'm just asking questions!" knowing that what the person did actually doesn't matter all that much when determining whether whether dragging someone down the stairs after their hands and feet have already been handcuffed counts as police brutality or not.

and yeah as far as i can tell you basically just tried to fucking pull a character assassination under the veneer of waiting for more details to come out. good job.

having actually watched the video dragged seems pretty accurate. unless we have another definition of drag that doesn't mean "pull" or "forcefully pull", noticeably what two of the officers appeared to be doing? maybe they should have supported his head. :-(

Yeah? And until I see a full story, I'm not exactly going to jump to conclusions that he must have been a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until some mean police came and tased him. Hell, at least give the police the fucking right of reply so they can try to explain why they did what they did.

no one said he was a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until the mean police came. and even if he was literally hitler sitting on the roof trying to set up his anti-jew ray, it's not very relevant to how they were treated after they were restrained. is this what a strawman looks like?

[Strykla]

The video shows nothing more than what happened. Why it happened is more important, imo. Of course the man's friends and family aren't going to believe he was a bad man, but unfortunately the actual details are not in the OP.

[TaQud]

what was he doing on the roof? Playing the fiddle?

[Democratic Koyro]

Shouldn't have been on the roof then.

[Souseiseki]

The video shows nothing more than what happened. Why it happened is more important, imo. Of course the man's friends and family aren't going to believe he was a bad man, but unfortunately the actual details are not in the OP.

why it happened is important but there are some things that you just shouldn't do regardless of whether the person is a good guy or a bad guy!

[Des-Bal]

Is the uncut video available? It looked like he grabbed onto the railing and at one point jammed his foot into it. Carrying a man down stairs is not particularly easy especially if he doesn't want to go, if they had dropped him he could have easilly been killed. If he wouldn't walk down dragging him would probably be the smartest option.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Did the police know he was unarmed? Again, we have no idea why the hell he was on that roof nor do we know why police found him to be a threat. Yes, I'll agree he was treated roughly after having been restrained but I'm far less inclined to believe the way they carried him down the stairs (not dragged, that's really misleading) caused him fatal injuries. Prove me wrong with a coroner's report.


If you disagree with their policies then file a lawsuit. No point bitching on the internet about how you find police internal investigations to be bullshit.

so you admit that they treated him roughly to an unnecessary degree after he was restrained? you know, the main thing for any claims of police brutality here? but you still came in "how do we know this is a case of police brutality??? why was he on the roof???? i'm just asking questions!" knowing that what the person did actually doesn't matter all that much when determining whether whether dragging someone down the stairs after their hands and feet have already been handcuffed counts as police brutality or not.

There's more to police brutality than being treated roughly, you know. Am I that bad for wanting more conclusive evidence than a youtube video? Why do you hate people who question what they are told? Why do you hate free thinking?

and yeah as far as i can tell you basically just tried to fucking pull a character assassination under the veneer of waiting for more details to come out. good job.

No idea what this even means.

having actually watched the video dragged seems pretty accurate. unless we have another definition of drag that doesn't mean "pull" or "forcefully pull", noticeably what two of the officers appeared to be doing? maybe they should have supported his head. :-(

Considering two of them were holding his body elevated above the stairs, I'd say they were carrying him. Unless we have another definition of carrying...

Yeah? And until I see a full story, I'm not exactly going to jump to conclusions that he must have been a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until some mean police came and tased him. Hell, at least give the police the fucking right of reply so they can try to explain why they did what they did.

no one said he was a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until the mean police came.

Then you obviously didn't get the vibes I got from the OP.

and even if he was literally hitler sitting on the roof trying to set up his anti-jew ray, it's not very relevant to how they were treated after they were restrained.

No shit, that's why I'm not defending that bit

is this what a strawman looks like?

No sweetie, what you just posted is actually a non sequitur

[Fartsniffage]

what was he doing on the roof? Playing the fiddle?

Perhaps he thought he was a cat and the roof was hot?

[AiliailiA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyg32CPyKNc
http://www.wistv.com/story/23178374/fam ... sons-death

A family is looking for answers after their adult son died following a run-in with police. The video is hard to watch. It shows the man on the roof of his apartment complex, and after he jumps down, he is swarmed by police, repeatedly tazed and dragged down some stairs.

On July 28 at an apartment complex near 23rd Avenue and Indian School, several Phoenix police officers were trying to get 44-year-old Ruiz to come down from the roof. When he did, he was placed in a chokehold, tazed several times and told to stop resisting. According to witness video, Ruiz was in that position for at least three minutes. Finally his hands and feet were handcuffed, and he was dragged down the stairs with his head unsupported.

"We were both sort of in shock so we went down there the next morning, and he was on life support," said Ruiz's father, Richard Erickson, a retired LAPD detective. He said doctors at St. Joseph's Hospital told him his son was brain-dead. He saw an EMS report, stating his son had been tased five times and had to be resuscitated at the scene.

He took his son off life support on Aug. 2.

Discussion topic: what can be done to decrease the number of incidents of police brutality, which are becoming more and more common in the United States?

I don't think it really is becoming "more and more common". Video cameras are.

As to what can be done: I think training for police in dealing with mentally ill people (including temporary mental illness due to drugs). Better rather than more police, which means paying them more and/or a longer training period (which costs money too). And prosecution of police who do use excessive force ... the cameras can help with this.

[Yes Im Biop]

What I rear is a 1 sided rant about police. No it's a shame but why were 5 police coming after him? Riddle me that batman. And off life support after a few days? charge the kid with murder if you wanna make stupid accusations

[Verbal Pararhea]

Am I the only one who sees parallels between this and rape accusations?

People who believe this is police brutality are acting very similar to people who believe rape accusations.

People on the other side are making arguments very analogous to those who are skeptical of rape accusations.

Hell, I even believe the term "cop apologist" or "police apologist" was used in this thread. Strange.

[Verbal Pararhea]

I don't think it really is becoming "more and more common". Video cameras are.

As to what can be done: I think training for police in dealing with mentally ill people (including temporary mental illness due to drugs). Better rather than more police, which means paying them more and/or a longer training period (which costs money too). And prosecution of police who do use excessive force ... the cameras can help with this.

The blue code of silence is the biggest problem. Good cops protect bad cops. In group/out group thinking is ubiquitous to pretty much all human organizations, and the police are no exception.

[Releign]

How is this police brutality?
They tazed the guy, happens all the time, and there is enough wrong with him for the dude to just go *click*.

[AiliailiA]

I don't think it really is becoming "more and more common". Video cameras are.

As to what can be done: I think training for police in dealing with mentally ill people (including temporary mental illness due to drugs). Better rather than more police, which means paying them more and/or a longer training period (which costs money too). And prosecution of police who do use excessive force ... the cameras can help with this.

The blue code of silence is the biggest problem. Good cops protect bad cops. In group/out group thinking is ubiquitous to pretty much all human organizations, and the police are no exception.

Well turn that to our advantage then. "Internal" investigation should be done by a smaller and more professional branch which specifically does not draw its recruitment from the police force.

I am very dissatisfied with it being up to family (or victim if they're still alive) to prosecute the police for alleged brutality. Ultimately this just leads police to close ranks, as monetary penalties are born by the whole department (or police union). Police brutality is a crime and should be punished with jail time.

[AiliailiA]

How is this police brutality?
They tazed the guy, happens all the time, and there is enough wrong with him for the dude to just go *click*.

You think tazing causes fatal brain damage?

I supposed it's possible (tazer causes heart attack, no treatment, heart attack causes brain damage) but surely the most obvious explanation in this case was the guy's head being banged on the ground?

[New Emphillon]

It's stories like this that just make me feel ashamed and skeptical of the police in the country. What ever happened to the "freedom and justice for all" that is in the Pledge of Allegiance? Does that not exist anymore (not that it ever existed in the first place)? It makes me sick that cops can do this kind of brutality and get away with it. I have no idea how this could ever be fixed. On second thought... I don't think it will ever be fixed. This whole code of silence thing amongst cops is BS, plain and simple, but it will never go away. Anyone have any thoughts that might prove my conclusion wrong?

[Geilinor]

How do we know this is a case of police brutality? Your source doesn't state why police wanted him nor why he was on the roof nor how he resisted arrest on the ground.

He was dragged down the stairs with his head unsupported, for one.

[Vitaphone Racing]

How is this police brutality?
They tazed the guy, happens all the time, and there is enough wrong with him for the dude to just go *click*.

You think tazing causes fatal brain damage?

I supposed it's possible (tazer causes heart attack, no treatment, heart attack causes brain damage) but surely the most obvious explanation in this case was the guy's head being banged on the ground?

More likely it was the fact he was held in the choke hold for that time.

[Vitaphone Racing]

How do we know this is a case of police brutality? Your source doesn't state why police wanted him nor why he was on the roof nor how he resisted arrest on the ground.

He was dragged down the stairs with his head unsupported, for one.

Being roughly dragged(carried) away, while wrong, is not police brutality. It's a much more narrow term than that.

[Geilinor]

How is this police brutality?
They tazed the guy, happens all the time, and there is enough wrong with him for the dude to just go *click*.

Dying from being tazed is not normal. The goal of tazing people for being on roofs is not to kill them.

[Verbal Pararhea]

You think tazing causes fatal brain damage?

Cardiac arrest and stroke are the principal causes of brain damage in adults.

[AiliailiA]

How do we know this is a case of police brutality? Your source doesn't state why police wanted him nor why he was on the roof nor how he resisted arrest on the ground.

He was dragged down the stairs with his head unsupported, for one.

It's a common problem in street fights. Knocking someone unconscious should be the end of it but then they fall down limp and hit their head on concrete. It's hydrostatic shock, in the rather squishy substance of the brain, which does the damage.