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Man Dies After Police Taze Him For Being On Roof (Updated)

Postby Resora » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:06 am

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wistv.com wrote:A family is looking for answers after their adult son died following a run-in with police. The video is hard to watch. It shows the man on the roof of his apartment complex, and after he jumps down, he is swarmed by police, repeatedly tazed and dragged down some stairs.

On July 28 at an apartment complex near 23rd Avenue and Indian School, several Phoenix police officers were trying to get 44-year-old Ruiz to come down from the roof. When he did, he was placed in a chokehold, tazed several times and told to stop resisting. According to witness video, Ruiz was in that position for at least three minutes. Finally his hands and feet were handcuffed, and he was dragged down the stairs with his head unsupported.

"We were both sort of in shock so we went down there the next morning, and he was on life support," said Ruiz's father, Richard Erickson, a retired LAPD detective. He said doctors at St. Joseph's Hospital told him his son was brain-dead. He saw an EMS report, stating his son had been tased five times and had to be resuscitated at the scene.

He took his son off life support on Aug. 2.


Discussion topic: what can be done to decrease the number of incidents of police brutality, which are becoming more and more common in the United States?

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http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/poli ... lling-him/

Michael Angel Ruiz is the son of a retired LAPD detective and had a history of drug addiction. On July 28, for reasons unknown, he climbed onto the roof of his apartment. Witnesses called the police to protect his safety. This turned out to have been a fatal decision.

Ruiz, while he may not have been sober, was not acting aggressively towards anyone. Police attempted to get him to come down without success. They resorted to tasing him on the roof, a violation of Phoenix Police Department’s own department policy against using a stun gun on someone who is in danger of falling, reported Sara Goldenberg of ABC 15 Arizona. Witnesses say that police tased him several times on the rooftop.

After sustaining electric shocks from police, Ruiz complied with requests to come off the roof. Video taken by witnesses shows him hopping down to a balcony. An unidentified Phoenix police officer immediately greeted him with a choke-hold. Police used overwhelming force on the man, who had still shown no signs of aggression. Witness Gary Carthen told ABC 15 that Ruiz was “getting choked out and tased at the same time.” He remained in a choke-hold for at least three minutes, reported KPHO.

The most disturbing moments were to come. Michael Ruiz, now fully restrained, was dragged down the concrete stairs on his face. As deputies held his arms behind his back, they allowed his head to dangle and thump against every stair. At this point Ruiz may have already lost consciousness, and was making no attempt to lift his head. Video shows him lifelessly suffering head trauma on the descent down the stair case.

“I just felt sick to my stomach,” said Richard Erickson, the man’s father, to ABC 15. “I’d never seen anything like this before, even when I was with the police department.”

Ruiz had to be resuscitated at the scene, but was determined to be brain-dead at the hospital, according to KPHO. His family took him off of life-support on August 2.


He was probably tripping or drunk and in his intoxicated state thought getting on the roof might be fun. Because he's intoxicated, he wasn't able to respond coherently to the police and didn't immediately leave the roof when they asked, so the cops start tazing him while he's on the roof, despite PPD policy which prohibits the use of tazers when the victim is in danger of falling. When he finally complies and gets down from the roof, the cops immediately put him in a chokehold for three full minutes and tazer him at least one (and possibly more) time(s). The man, now entirely unresponsive, is then dragged down a set of concrete stairs, his head hitting the steps hard enough for witnesses to hear the impact. The man stops breathing moments later and had to be resuscitated, and is found to be brain dead at the hospital. His family takes him off life support a few days later.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:08 am

How do we know this is a case of police brutality? Your source doesn't state why police wanted him nor why he was on the roof nor how he resisted arrest on the ground.
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Postby Resora » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:10 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:How do we know this is a case of police brutality? Your source doesn't state why police wanted him nor why he was on the roof nor how he resisted arrest on the ground.

Did you watch the video?
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:11 am

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Vitaphone Racing wrote:How do we know this is a case of police brutality? Your source doesn't state why police wanted him nor why he was on the roof nor how he resisted arrest on the ground.

Did you watch the video?

Did you answer my questions?
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Postby Resora » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:12 am

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Resora wrote:Did you watch the video?

Did you answer my questions?

The video does. The man is sitting on the roof, talking to the police. He jumps down. He barely lands on the staircase before a policeman runs up behind him and puts him in a chokehold. There's no ambiguity here, you can watch the entire damn thing.
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Postby Castille de Italia » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:14 am

See, the cops don't have a justifiable reason here. I don't see what he did wrong, nor did the video show him resisting arrest.

But then again, there's always another story.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:15 am

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Vitaphone Racing wrote:Did you answer my questions?

The video does. The man is sitting on the roof, talking to the police. He jumps down. He barely lands on the staircase before a policeman runs up behind him and puts him in a chokehold. There's no ambiguity here, you can watch the entire damn thing.

The video doesn't explain why he was on the roof nor why police wanted to arrest him nor can we understand why police wanted to restrain him. There's plenty of ambiguity here.
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Postby Resora » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:17 am

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Resora wrote:The video does. The man is sitting on the roof, talking to the police. He jumps down. He barely lands on the staircase before a policeman runs up behind him and puts him in a chokehold. There's no ambiguity here, you can watch the entire damn thing.

The video doesn't explain why he was on the roof nor why police wanted to arrest him nor can we understand why police wanted to restrain him. There's plenty of ambiguity here.

He was an unarmed man sitting on a roof. He posed no threat to the five fucking armed police officers there.
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Postby LANDOF » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:18 am

What was the man doing in the roof and why were there so many cops on the scene?

Anyway, the problem I saw was how they treated his body after they tazed him and dragged him down the stairs.

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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:20 am

Resora wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:The video doesn't explain why he was on the roof nor why police wanted to arrest him nor can we understand why police wanted to restrain him. There's plenty of ambiguity here.

He was an unarmed man sitting on a roof. He posed no threat to the five fucking armed police officers there.

Yeah? And until I see a full story, I'm not exactly going to jump to conclusions that he must have been a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until some mean police came and tased him. Hell, at least give the police the fucking right of reply so they can try to explain why they did what they did.
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Postby Starkiller101 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:22 am

That just messed up cops should not be able to do that
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Postby Condunum » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:22 am

Did the anchor at the end really try to justify it with, "Well it was a tough call and a split-second decision"?
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:22 am

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Resora wrote:He was an unarmed man sitting on a roof. He posed no threat to the five fucking armed police officers there.

Yeah? And until I see a full story, I'm not exactly going to jump to conclusions that he must have been a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until some mean police came and tased him. Hell, at least give the police the fucking right of reply so they can try to explain why they did what they did.

His family said he was though... Who are you going to believe? His family who has no reason to lie or the pigs who just like brutalizing people?
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Resora wrote:
Discussion topic: what can be done to decrease the number of incidents of police brutality, which are becoming more and more common in the United States?


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Postby Resora » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:23 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Resora wrote:He was an unarmed man sitting on a roof. He posed no threat to the five fucking armed police officers there.

Yeah? And until I see a full story, I'm not exactly going to jump to conclusions that he must have been a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until some mean police came and tased him. Hell, at least give the police the fucking right of reply so they can try to explain why they did what they did.

Why does he have to be a "nice man" for the police behavior towards an unarmed suspect to be unjustified? They strangled the man, tazed him five times, and dragged his body down the stairs inflicting wounds that would result in his brain death. And you can plainly see he didn't resist at all.

And this happened almost a month ago. The police have flat-out refused to explain why they did what they did. Usual bullshit about an "internal investigation" which will result in the usual clearing of all officers involved.
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Vitaphone Racing wrote:Yeah? And until I see a full story, I'm not exactly going to jump to conclusions that he must have been a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until some mean police came and tased him. Hell, at least give the police the fucking right of reply so they can try to explain why they did what they did.

His family said he was though... Who are you going to believe? His family who has no reason to lie or the pigs who just like brutalizing people? yeah cops seam to like beating people
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Vitaphone Racing wrote:His family said he was though... Who are you going to believe? His family who has no reason to lie or the pigs who just like brutalizing people?
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Vitaphone Racing wrote:How do we know this is a case of police brutality? Your source doesn't state why police wanted him nor why he was on the roof nor how he resisted arrest on the ground.

The story says the police were trying to help him down, this implies rescue role, not enforcement. Regardless, their actions afterwards were completely wrong. You don't drag an unconscious man down stairs.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:27 am

Resora wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Yeah? And until I see a full story, I'm not exactly going to jump to conclusions that he must have been a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until some mean police came and tased him. Hell, at least give the police the fucking right of reply so they can try to explain why they did what they did.

Why does he have to be a "nice man" for the police behavior towards an unarmed suspect to be unjustified? They strangled the man, tazed him five times, and dragged his body down the stairs inflicting wounds that would result in his brain death. And you can plainly see he didn't resist at all.

Did the police know he was unarmed? Again, we have no idea why the hell he was on that roof nor do we know why police found him to be a threat. Yes, I'll agree he was treated roughly after having been restrained but I'm far less inclined to believe the way they carried him down the stairs (not dragged, that's really misleading) caused him fatal injuries. Prove me wrong with a coroner's report.

And this happened almost a month ago. The police have flat-out refused to explain why they did what they did. Usual bullshit about an "internal investigation" which will result in the usual clearing of all officers involved.

If you disagree with their policies then file a lawsuit. No point bitching on the internet about how you find police internal investigations to be bullshit.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:29 am

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Vitaphone Racing wrote:How do we know this is a case of police brutality? Your source doesn't state why police wanted him nor why he was on the roof nor how he resisted arrest on the ground.

The story says the police were trying to help him down, this implies rescue role, not enforcement.

And the story also says they have no idea why the hell he was on the roof in the first place. Media phrasing of an incident is not adequate proof, especially when they themselves admit they know nothing.
Regardless, their actions afterwards were completely wrong. You don't drag an unconscious man down stairs.

I'll give you that.
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Vitaphone Racing wrote:Yeah? And until I see a full story, I'm not exactly going to jump to conclusions that he must have been a nice man innocently sitting on his roof until some mean police came and tased him. Hell, at least give the police the fucking right of reply so they can try to explain why they did what they did.

His family said he was though... Who are you going to believe? His family who has no reason to lie or the pigs who just like brutalizing people?
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Postby Resora » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:33 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Resora wrote:Why does he have to be a "nice man" for the police behavior towards an unarmed suspect to be unjustified? They strangled the man, tazed him five times, and dragged his body down the stairs inflicting wounds that would result in his brain death. And you can plainly see he didn't resist at all.

Did the police know he was unarmed? Again, we have no idea why the hell he was on that roof nor do we know why police found him to be a threat. Yes, I'll agree he was treated roughly after having been restrained but I'm far less inclined to believe the way they carried him down the stairs (not dragged, that's really misleading) caused him fatal injuries.

What else could it have been, unless he had an adverse reaction to being tazed five times?

His father is a fucking ex-cop, I seriously doubt he has a grudge against the "pigs", so all the accusations of family bias are the usual cop apologetics this type of shit typically attracts. Is it possible that there's some convoluted explanation that explains why the cops acted the way they did? I suppose. Is that likely? Not really. It's just some unarmed guy wearing a pair of cargo shorts, he posed no threat to all those cops, and they knew it.
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Postby Ausira » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:34 am

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Still, that was a case of brutality, mostly how they treat him coming down the stairs. I mean, brutality like this has been going on since 1910's, just in the 20's-40's, it was mostly cracked down when the FBI came about.

They had no reason to taze him when he came down, and no reason to pursue force upon an already dazed (and unresistant) suspect.

He was on a roof, possibly fixing something without a shirt on. So what? Don't arrest him for it, or do that.
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