Christianity and Homosexuality

[Mhema the Strong]

You are the one that is saying that the Bible is a complete lie.

You really suck at reading comprehension. I never said it is an absolute lie. I simply question your assertion that it is absolute, unquestioning truth.

I am saying that if you can't trust the Bible, how can you be sure about any other documents from long ago?

Legitimate historians don't trust a single document. They require the agreement between several independent documents to establish that something is likely to have happened or that someone was likely to have actually existed.

I know what is right, unfourtantley, you do not.

You know? That's quite a bold claim.

Yes, I KNOW. The bible has supporting documents.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Yes, I KNOW. The bible has supporting documents.

So? Do any of them support miracles or the existence of god, or do they all just support the bible's more mundane claims?

[Fartsniffage]

Yes, I KNOW. The bible has supporting documents.

Waht's a supporting document for the ten commandments?

[Mhema the Strong]

Yes, I KNOW. The bible has supporting documents.

So? Do any of them support miracles or the existence of god, or do they all just support the bible's more mundane claims?

Have you ever heard of the angel they caught on tape in a hospital? A child had no chance of living, yet a security camera caught a flash of light that was "oddly" shaped like an angel-and guess what?! The child lived-in fact, she made a speedy recovery. Doesn't that count? For pity's sake, it's a tape that caught an angel!

[Kormanthor]

Yes, I KNOW. The bible has supporting documents.

Waht's a supporting document for the ten commandments?

The First and Second Commandments spoke of by Jesus in the New Testament.


http://members.datafast.net.au/sggram/f967.htm

[Fartsniffage]

The First and Second Commandments spoke of by Jesus in the New Testament.

Same book.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Have you ever heard of the angel they caught on tape in a hospital? A child had no chance of living, yet a security camera caught a flash of light that was "oddly" shaped like an angel-and guess what?! The child lived-in fact, she made a speedy recovery. Doesn't that count? For pity's sake, it's a tape that caught an angel!

You mentioned it but anyone can claim anything. Do you have a legitimate, reliable citation for it?

[Hydesland]

Have you ever heard of the angel they caught on tape in a hospital? A child had no chance of living, yet a security camera caught a flash of light that was "oddly" shaped like an angel-and guess what?! The child lived-in fact, she made a speedy recovery. Doesn't that count? For pity's sake, it's a tape that caught an angel!

This smells like bullshit, but it might be a little more tasty if you provide some sauce... if you catch my drift.

[Kormanthor]

The First and Second Commandments spoke of by Jesus in the New Testament.

Same book.

Click the link I just added to that post

[Mhema the Strong]

Have you ever heard of the angel they caught on tape in a hospital? A child had no chance of living, yet a security camera caught a flash of light that was "oddly" shaped like an angel-and guess what?! The child lived-in fact, she made a speedy recovery. Doesn't that count? For pity's sake, it's a tape that caught an angel!

You mentioned it but anyone can claim anything. Do you have a legitimate, reliable citation for it?

Well, the girl healed, the camera caught it...there were witnesses...hmm, does any of that count?!

[Blouman Empire]

Prove it

Well, he's still alive, so clearly the lack of god's forgiveness hasn't killed him.

WTF?

You aren't making any sense

[Hydesland]

Well, the girl healed, the camera caught it...there were witnesses...hmm, does any of that count?!

No, because you simply telling us this doesn't make it true. You need to provide us a source, a link of some kind to a news story or study etc...

[Asserted]

Have you ever heard of the angel they caught on tape in a hospital? A child had no chance of living, yet a security camera caught a flash of light that was "oddly" shaped like an angel-and guess what?! The child lived-in fact, she made a speedy recovery. Doesn't that count? For pity's sake, it's a tape that caught an angel!

You mentioned it but anyone can claim anything. Do you have a legitimate, reliable citation for it?

Well, the girl healed, the camera caught it...there were witnesses...hmm, does any of that count?!

Citation required

[Blouman Empire]

Despite being a practising Roman Catholic, I would have to point out here that the cities mentioned in Harry Potter still stand today, as do the cities mentioned in the works of Dickens, Robin Hood, stories of King Arthur - the list is endless.

Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley are real places?

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Well, the girl healed, the camera caught it...there were witnesses...hmm, does any of that count?!

No, because I don't know where the video feed from this camera is, or who or where any of these people are.

Do you have any article or anything? I've heard Christian faith healers claim they've caused people to regrow limbs. I've heard claims by Indian (from India) mystics claiming they have magically restored virginities to women.

I've heard plenty of claims. I've never seen a single one of them in any legitimate peer-reviewed journal, and you'd think scientific proof of a miracle would be headline news.

[Hydesland]

magically restored virginities to women.

haha wut

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

WTF?

You aren't making any sense

He wanted proof that KU doesn't need god's forgiveness. I pointed out the fact that KU has lived without the forgiveness of god for a while is proof that he doesn't need it. Usually people tend to die when they don't get things they need.

[Fartsniffage]

Click the link I just added to that post

I don't get it?

[Asserted]

I've heard claims by Indian (from India) mystics claiming they have magically restored virginities to women.

Western medicine has a cure to your lost virginity:

http://www.wellnesskliniek.com/E_plasti ... repair.htm

[Fartsniffage]

haha wut

http://www.hymenrepair.co.uk/

*puts on fez* Just like that.

[Blouman Empire]

According to Luke, Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth before the birth of Jesus, and traveled to Bethlehem because of a census:

Luke 2:1-7
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

But according to Matthew, they lived in a house in Bethlehem, and moved to Nazareth after returning from Egypt:

Matthew 2:1-2, 11, 22-23
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
...
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him.
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But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth.

You mean they moved back to Nazareth from Egypt.

Srsly what?

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Western medicine has a cure to your lost virginity:

http://www.wellnesskliniek.com/E_plasti ... repair.htm

Yeah, but it doesn't happen spontaneously do to magic, it happens due to a surgery.

[Rafello]

Despite being a practising Roman Catholic, I would have to point out here that the cities mentioned in Harry Potter still stand today, as do the cities mentioned in the works of Dickens, Robin Hood, stories of King Arthur - the list is endless.

Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley are real places?

I was going more for London... but fair point

[Mhema the Strong]

Well, the girl healed, the camera caught it...there were witnesses...hmm, does any of that count?!

No, because I don't know where the video feed from this camera is, or who or where any of these people are.

Do you have any article or anything? I've heard Christian faith healers claim they've caused people to regrow limbs. I've heard claims by Indian (from India) mystics claiming they have magically restored virginities to women.

I've heard plenty of claims. I've never seen a single one of them in any legitimate peer-reviewed journal, and you'd think scientific proof of a miracle would be headline news.

It was all over the news and they showed the video too. People were amazed and all. It was like three or four years ago so I don't have any websites that you can visit that would probably still have the story and its details. But, there was no messing with the tape or anything, and her healing was miraculous. The whole hospital staff would have heard about it and I'm sure the nurse or doctor that was taking care of her could confirm that she was going to die. But she lived-and the angel...

If it was on the news I think that is enough proof. If you look it up you'll find something backing me up.

[Blouman Empire]

WTF?

You aren't making any sense

He wanted proof that KU doesn't need god's forgiveness. I pointed out the fact that KU has lived without the forgiveness of god for a while is proof that he doesn't need it. Usually people tend to die when they don't get things they need.

Ah I see, trying to be clever.

But why are you so adamant that he hasn't been forgiven by God?