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Do you find the Swastika Offensive?

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Do you find the Swastika offensive?

YES
4
67%
NO
2
33%
 
Total votes : 6

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Deutschland150
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Do you find the Swastika Offensive?

Postby Deutschland150 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:27 pm

After reading much debate in the forums about the mods banning swastikas, I have decided instead of hearing what the mods claim is the NS opinion, I will ask the players of Nation States directly,
Do you find the swastika offensive?

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Nationalist State of Knox
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:30 pm

Not at all, but I'm not affiliated with the various groups that would possibly be offended by the Swastika.

Also, if this is an attempt to unban the swastika for use in RP and flags, don't expect it to work.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:31 pm

Depends on the context.

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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:32 pm

depends on the swastika

but i'm assuming this is a "why can't we use nazi swastikas? uh, ever hear of a guy called STALIN?" thing so i'm voting yes
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:32 pm

I am not offended if I see a swastika.
It's a symbol.
If it's being used by nazi's i'm not offended by it either.
I'm offended by what those people say.
I'm potentially offended if it's used as an endorsement of what they say.
As an example, the swastika can be in a museum or history book or in a film and I have no problem with it.
If a Judge unfurls a flag of the swastika and props it up in a courthouse it's going to raise an eyebrow, as it seems to be an implicit endorsement of nazi ideology.
The symbol itself is not at all offensive.
The offence stems from endorsement of ideology.
Which is why dressing up as a nazi for halloween shouldn't offend anyone. Nobody could take that to be an endorsement of nazi ideology unless they are some kind of fool.
It's why noone should be offended if a game contains nazi symbolism unless it's clearly endorsing the ideology, etc.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:32 pm

Also, Mr Everything-Is-Black-Or-White, you might want to vary the poll up a tad.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:32 pm

Black surrounded by a white circle on a red field? Incredibly so.

Otherwise it depends on context.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:32 pm

Depends how it's used. I love swastikas, but I can see why people find them offensive in some contexts.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:33 pm

Deutschland150 wrote:Do you find the swastika offensive?


Yes, I do. In the meaning of it being offensive not per se but because of the standard meaning of it in our culture, that is supporting Nazism.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:35 pm

This thread pretty much triggers all the alarms. My very first thought was that this is yet another attempt by neonazi scum to more openly manifest themselves on NationStates. Sometimes they try to be subtle, but they have trouble grasping the concept. Do not want, please lock.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:37 pm

What matters is what the site owner has decided. Which is that the swastika will not be allowed in flags. Thank you for the twelve-thousandth plus attempt, but the answer stays the same - thanks.


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