Objections to monarchy

[Vazdania]

If it is a democratic and constitutional monarchy like the UK its just fine.

The UK can hardly be classified as a monarchial government.

[Seperates]

So either a monarch is not elevated to such a position merely because of idiotic things like his family's "passion" or "honour" or you're lying.

How so? It's not limited to a "caste" of people. It's limited to the recognized and honored individuals. It even exists today.

Then we essentially run an complex anarcho-monastic state. We have the Poor Man, the Rich Man, and the Big Man. We just have elections to determine who the Big Man is. Honestly, at this point matieralism has taken over far too much for the Big Man concept to ever become a popular form of government without entirely overthrowing the current cultural system, including the corporations, churches, and state.

[Blasveck]

Absolutely.

Most anarchists I know assert the same thing.

Then I've no issues with them. The ones I've met... save a relative few on this site, have asserted the opposite.

That humanity is shit?

What kind of anarchist are they?

Anarchism kind of relies on the belief that humanity is cooperative, rather than competitive.

[Distruzio]

If it is a democratic and constitutional monarchy like the UK its just fine.

The UK can hardly be classified as a monarchial government.

Sovereignty of the Head of State lies in a monarch. Not the elected representative of the people. It's a monarch.

[Vazdania]

The UK can hardly be classified as a monarchial government.

Sovereignty of the Head of State lies in a monarch. Not the elected representative of the people. It's a monarch.

Yes, the head of state is a monarch, but the head of government is a prime minister.

[Seperates]

What happens when you and her cannot agree on what movie to watch?

Pfft... we kill each other in the face.

No. What happens. Who is the arbiter? Is there an arbiter? Whose decision takes precedence?

And what happens when you are representing 1,000,000 people while she is representing only 200?

[Distruzio]

Then I've no issues with them. The ones I've met... save a relative few on this site, have asserted the opposite.

That humanity is shit?

What kind of anarchist are they?

Anarchism kind of relies on the belief that humanity is cooperative, rather than competitive.

I know and agree. I called them out as non-anarchists.... which was ironic considering the common critique against right-anarchism.

[Distruzio]

Pfft... we kill each other in the face.

No. What happens. Who is the arbiter? Is there an arbiter? Whose decision takes precedence?

And what happens when you are representing 1,000,000 people while she is representing only 200?

When it's just the two of us, we make a deal. When we're in a group, we elevate the most respected (i.e. most consistent chooser of satisfying movies) to mediate and/or choose.

[Distruzio]

Sovereignty of the Head of State lies in a monarch. Not the elected representative of the people. It's a monarch.

Yes, the head of state is a monarch, but the head of government is a prime minister.

Then the government is parliamentary dominated by a monarch. It is a monarchy.

[Vazdania]

Yes, the head of state is a monarch, but the head of government is a prime minister.

Then the government is parliamentary dominated by a monarch. It is* a monarchy.

Barely a monarchy*

[Distruzio]

Then the government is parliamentary dominated by a monarch. It is* a monarchy.

Barely a monarchy*

Now we agree in principle but differ by degree. That's acceptable to me.

[Chinese Regions]

Name a functioning absolute libertarian monarchy- hell, a functioning absolute monarchy- that has preferable living standards to Western democracies and I'll listen.

Until then, I'm fine with my copy of La Marseillaise, capacity to elect who rules me, and principles of equality.

How about 12: the Principality of Andorra, the Kingdom of Belgium, the Kingdom of Denmark, the Principality of Liechtenstein, the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, the Principality of Monaco, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Kingdom of Norway, the Kingdom of Spain, the Kingdom of Sweden, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the State of the Vatican City.

Andorra- Democracy with two head of states, the other being the current French head of state, an elected president.
Belgium- Democracy
Denmark- Democracy
Liechtenstein- Democracy
Luxembourg- Democracy
Monaco- Democracy
Netherlands- Democracy
Norway- Democracy
Spain- Democracy
Sweden- Democracy
UK- Democracy
Northern Ireland- Constituent Country within a Democracy
Vatican- Elected Theocracy

[Distruzio]

How about 12: the Principality of Andorra, the Kingdom of Belgium, the Kingdom of Denmark, the Principality of Liechtenstein, the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, the Principality of Monaco, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Kingdom of Norway, the Kingdom of Spain, the Kingdom of Sweden, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the State of the Vatican City.

Andorra- Democracy with two head of states, the other being the current French head of state, an elected president.
Belgium- Democracy
Denmark- Democracy
Liechtenstein- Democracy
Luxembourg- Democracy
Monaco- Democracy
Netherlands- Democracy
Norway- Democracy
Spain- Democracy
Sweden- Democracy
UK- Democracy
Northern Ireland- Constituent Country within a Democracy
Vatican- Elected Theocracy

Incorrect on all accounts.

[Seperates]

No. What happens. Who is the arbiter? Is there an arbiter? Whose decision takes precedence?

And what happens when you are representing 1,000,000 people while she is representing only 200?

When it's just the two of us, we make a deal. When we're in a group, we elevate the most respected (i.e. most consistent chooser of satisfying movies) to mediate and/or choose.

Really? And who is anybody to judge what is a satisfying movie? I find Animal House to be hilarious. My mother finds it tacky. Who is correct? What defines consistency? Who is the elevated arbiter on consistency?

Basically, at what point doesn't this whole she-bang just turn into a democracy?

[Chinese Regions]

Andorra- Democracy with two head of states, the other being the current French head of state, an elected president.
Belgium- Democracy
Denmark- Democracy
Liechtenstein- Democracy
Luxembourg- Democracy
Monaco- Democracy
Netherlands- Democracy
Norway- Democracy
Spain- Democracy
Sweden- Democracy
UK- Democracy
Northern Ireland- Constituent Country within a Democracy
Vatican- Elected Theocracy

Incorrect on all accounts.

OH CORRECTION: Pope is elected by Cardinals
CGPGrey explains it well

[Blasveck]

When it's just the two of us, we make a deal. When we're in a group, we elevate the most respected (i.e. most consistent chooser of satisfying movies) to mediate and/or choose.

Really? And who is anybody to judge what is a satisfying movie? I find Animal House to be hilarious. My mother finds it tacky. Who is correct? What defines consistency? Who is the elevated arbiter on consistency?

Basically, at what point doesn't this whole she-bang just turn into a democracy?

Or how about this.

Everyone goes and sees the movie they personally want to watch.

Problem solved.

[Distruzio]

When it's just the two of us, we make a deal. When we're in a group, we elevate the most respected (i.e. most consistent chooser of satisfying movies) to mediate and/or choose.

Really? And who is anybody to judge what is a satisfying movie? I find Animal House to be hilarious. My mother finds it tacky. Who is correct? What defines consistency? Who is the elevated arbiter on consistency?

Basically, at what point doesn't this whole she-bang just turn into a democracy?

You're confused. If we took a majority vote on which movie to see, then that'd be democracy. Since we don't, it ain't.

[Distruzio]

Incorrect on all accounts.

OH CORRECTION: Pope is elected by Cardinals
CGPGrey explains it well

It ain't a theocracy. It's an elective theocratic monarchy.

[Chinese Regions]

OH CORRECTION: Pope is elected by Cardinals
CGPGrey explains it well

It ain't a theocracy. It's an elective theocratic monarchy.

All except for the Vatican are democracies, you are basically justifying Stalnism with Marxism. Your anarchist mind has led you to some confusion, you are now defending the Vatican's status as a monarchy (which I didn't say otherwise, it's called consistency, UK- Democracy similarly, Vatican-Elected Theocracy).

[Distruzio]

It ain't a theocracy. It's an elective theocratic monarchy.

All except for the Vatican are democracies, you are basically justifying Stalnism with Marxism. Your anarchist mind has led you to some confusion, you are now defending the Vatican's status as a monarchy (which I didn't say otherwise, it's called consistency, UK- Democracy similarly, Vatican-Elected Theocracy).

Only in a world of candied apricots and floating vaginas.

[Minarchist States]

Then I've no issues with them. The ones I've met... save a relative few on this site, have asserted the opposite.

That humanity is shit?

What kind of anarchist are they?

Anarchism kind of relies on the belief that humanity is cooperative, rather than competitive.

I'd say that Anarcho-Capitalism is a competitive branch of anarchy, although even then there is cooperation too between each individual to not initiate force and support the establishment voluntarily.

[Chinese Regions]

All except for the Vatican are democracies, you are basically justifying Stalnism with Marxism. Your anarchist mind has led you to some confusion, you are now defending the Vatican's status as a monarchy (which I didn't say otherwise, it's called consistency, UK- Democracy similarly, Vatican-Elected Theocracy).

Only in a world of candied apricots and floating vaginas.

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,a ... dy,FF.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_astronauts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Earhart

Justifying absolute monarchy with constitutional monarchies and one example of an absolute monarchy that has the protection of a republic, it doesn't work.

[Vazdania]

All except for the Vatican are democracies, you are basically justifying Stalnism with Marxism. Your anarchist mind has led you to some confusion, you are now defending the Vatican's status as a monarchy (which I didn't say otherwise, it's called consistency, UK- Democracy similarly, Vatican-Elected Theocracy).

Only in a world of candied apricots and floating vaginas.

D: my virgin eyes!

[Augarundus]

by sheer force of logic.

Okay, you got me there. I'm done.

[Seperates]

Really? And who is anybody to judge what is a satisfying movie? I find Animal House to be hilarious. My mother finds it tacky. Who is correct? What defines consistency? Who is the elevated arbiter on consistency?

Basically, at what point doesn't this whole she-bang just turn into a democracy?

Or how about this.

Everyone goes and sees the movie they personally want to watch.

Problem solved.

Really? I'm sure that would work out in the long run with absolutely no grouping of us vs them coming about in the future. Nope, none at all.