Objections to monarchy

[Distruzio]

How about 12: the Principality of Andorra, the Kingdom of Belgium, the Kingdom of Denmark, the Principality of Liechtenstein, the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, the Principality of Monaco, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Kingdom of Norway, the Kingdom of Spain, the Kingdom of Sweden, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the State of the Vatican City.

Funny... It appears that the only country from your list that is an absolute monarchy is Vatican City...

Absolute monarchies[edit source | editbeta]
Specifically, monarchies in which the monarch's exercise of power is unconstrained by any substantive constitutional law.
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Vatican City[

.... okay... at what point did I suggest I spoke of Absolutist Monarchism?

[Vazdania]

She has no powers.

"oh yes were a monarchy, but our queen has no powers."

Yeah this is bullshit. The queen does have powers and can even grant public officials powers.

Tell Norstal that then.

[God Kefka]

This. Please This.

How do you verify that someone was divinely ordained?

Ask the Vatican...

[The Parkus Empire]

How do you verify that someone was divinely ordained?

Ask the Vatican...

Guess that works. Popes can rig elections tho, is the thing

[Dyakovo]

The UK is most definitely a monarchy... You can tell by the fact that it has a monarch.

She has no powers.

Wrong.
1: Appointment of the Prime Minister - Whenever necessary, the Monarch is responsible for appointing a new Prime Minister
2: Royal Assent - for any bill to become law, the monarch has to sign it
3: The appointment and dismissal of ministers
4: The appointment and regulation of the civil service
5: The commissioning of officers in the armed forces
6: Directing the disposition of the armed forces in the UK
7: Appointment of Queen's Counsel
8: Issue and withdrawal of passports
9: Prerogative of mercy. (Used to apply in capital punishment cases. Still used, eg to remedy errors in sentence calculation)
10: Granting honours
11: Creation of corporations by Charter
12: The making of treaties
13: Declaration of war
14: Deployment of armed forces overseas
15: Recognition of foreign states
16: Accreditation and reception of diplomats

[Dyakovo]

Funny... It appears that the only country from your list that is an absolute monarchy is Vatican City...

.... okay... at what point did I suggest I spoke of Absolutist Monarchism?

You were asked something specific:

Name a functioning absolute libertarian monarchy- hell, a functioning absolute monarchy- that has preferable living standards to Western democracies and I'll listen.

Until then, I'm fine with my copy of La Marseillaise, capacity to elect who rules me, and principles of equality.

[Vazdania]

She has no powers.

Wrong.
1: Appointment of the Prime Minister - Whenever necessary, the Monarch is responsible for appointing a new Prime Minister
2: Royal Assent - for any bill to become law, the monarch has to sign it
3: The appointment and dismissal of ministers
4: The appointment and regulation of the civil service
5: The commissioning of officers in the armed forces
6: Directing the disposition of the armed forces in the UK
7: Appointment of Queen's Counsel
8: Issue and withdrawal of passports
9: Prerogative of mercy. (Used to apply in capital punishment cases. Still used, eg to remedy errors in sentence calculation)
10: Granting honours
11: Creation of corporations by Charter
12: The making of treaties
13: Declaration of war
14: Deployment of armed forces overseas
15: Recognition of foreign states
16: Accreditation and reception of diplomats

She needs more powers...for sure.

[Dyakovo]

This. Please This.

How do you verify that someone was divinely ordained?

You can't.

[God Kefka]

Ask the Vatican...

Guess that works. Popes can rig elections tho, is the thing

Pope won't do that... the Lord speaks through him. He will choose the right kings...

[Vazdania]

Guess that works. Popes can rig elections tho, is the thing

Pope won't do that... the Lord speaks through him. He will choose the right kings...

or queens.

[Vazdania]

How do you verify that someone was divinely ordained?

You can't.

of course you'd say that.

[Dyakovo]

You can't.

of course you'd say that.

Indeed. I'm not in the habit of lying, so you're right, it is a given that I would say that.

[Distruzio]

.... okay... at what point did I suggest I spoke of Absolutist Monarchism?

You were asked something specific:

Name a functioning absolute libertarian monarchy- hell, a functioning absolute monarchy- that has preferable living standards to Western democracies and I'll listen.

Until then, I'm fine with my copy of La Marseillaise, capacity to elect who rules me, and principles of equality.

Right. I responded by ignoring his request and answered with examples of the actual subject in the OP.

[The Parkus Empire]

You can't.

of course you'd say that.

To be fair, you did not provide any answer to my question, you just rolled your e-eyes at someone who did.

[Vazdania]

of course you'd say that.

To be fair, you did not provide any answer to my question, you just rolled your e-eyes at someone who did.

Well of course I didn't because no answer would satisfy you.

[The Parkus Empire]

Guess that works. Popes can rig elections tho, is the thing

Pope won't do that... the Lord speaks through him. He will choose the right kings...

Popes have been elected that way historically, mainly through bribing cardinals.

[The Parkus Empire]

To be fair, you did not provide any answer to my question, you just rolled your e-eyes at someone who did.

Well of course I didn't because no answer would satisfy you.

It certainly would if it could also be used to provide me with divine permission to rob you of all you have.

[Dyakovo]

Pope won't do that... the Lord speaks through him. He will choose the right kings...

Popes have been elected that way historically, mainly through bribing cardinals.

Obviously 'God' meant for the cardinals to be bribed.
*nods*

[Kaesar the invincible]

the basis for all monarchy is the "divine right" in an enlightened society there is seperation of church and state. Even a statist (which i am certainly not) would object to a traditional monarchy unless they also believed in a state religion

[Vazdania]

the basis for all monarchy is the "divine right" in an enlightened society there is seperation of church and state. Even a statist (which i am certainly not) would object to a traditional monarchy unless they also believed in a state religion

Not every monarchy needs to use 'divine right'.

[Distruzio]

Okay.

Okay.

Forget silver medal debating, this is clearly gold.

I told you before that I aim to please. You've been pleasured by Distruzio. Bask in the attention I've given you.

[Dyakovo]

the basis for all monarchy is the "divine right" in an enlightened society there is seperation of church and state. Even a statist (which i am certainly not) would object to a traditional monarchy unless they also believed in a state religion

Wrong, that is not the basis for all monarchy.

[God Kefka]

Popes have been elected that way historically, mainly through bribing cardinals.

Obviously 'God' meant for the cardinals to be bribed.
*nods*

yes sometimes the Lord works in mysterious ways...

Men sin... but God's plan and will will always triumph in the grand end of things...

[Forster Keys]

The UK is most definitely a monarchy... You can tell by the fact that it has a monarch.

She has no powers.

"oh yes were a monarchy, but our queen has no powers."

Tell that to Gough Whitlam.

[Dyakovo]

Obviously 'God' meant for the cardinals to be bribed.
*nods*

yes sometimes the Lord works in mysterious ways...

Men sin... but God's plan and will will always triumph in the grand end of things...

Translation: 'God' favors corruption.