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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:47 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Until the poor don't have enough to eat, and turn to eating the rich.

:eek: so they are cannibals?

Not necessarily. Just not understood and therefore not helped in any way by the wealthy. They tend to fail to empathize with the poor.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:48 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Until the poor don't have enough to eat, and turn to eating the rich.

:eek: so they are cannibals?

Cannibal or Corpse. You choose.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:48 pm

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Frisivisia wrote:Until the poor don't have enough to eat, and turn to eating the rich.

:eek: so they are cannibals?

It's a saying which, as you may not have been able to decipher, means "when everybody's starving, they'll turn on the aristocracy".
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:49 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :eek: so they are cannibals?

It's a saying which, as you may not have been able to decipher, means "when everybody's starving, they'll turn on the aristocracy".

eh...its always that way.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:49 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:It's a saying which, as you may not have been able to decipher, means "when everybody's starving, they'll turn on the aristocracy".

eh...its always that way.

Guess why that's so.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:51 pm

The Darkfire Guild wrote:Wait, monarchy isn't shitty because democracy also has shitty aspects to it? Isn't that a logical fallacy of some sort?

It's not even shitty. The divisiveness in democracies is what makes it strong.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:53 pm

Norstal wrote:
The Darkfire Guild wrote:Wait, monarchy isn't shitty because democracy also has shitty aspects to it? Isn't that a logical fallacy of some sort?

It's not even shitty. The divisiveness in democracies is what makes it strong.

and highly deadly.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:56 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Norstal wrote:It's not even shitty. The divisiveness in democracies is what makes it strong.

and highly deadly.

Not really. In monarchies and dictatorships changing regimes requires a bloody civil war or coup.
Democracies require waiting till the term is up and voting them out.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:57 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Norstal wrote:It's not even shitty. The divisiveness in democracies is what makes it strong.

and highly deadly.

More deadly than wars of succession? I don't think so.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:57 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Norstal wrote:It's not even shitty. The divisiveness in democracies is what makes it strong.

and highly deadly.


to its enemies.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:01 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Vazdania wrote:and highly deadly.


to its enemies.

I don't think you can say that, considering that people like Distruzio are allowed to voice their opinions in democracies. Monarchies are generally the much deadlier system.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:03 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
to its enemies.

I don't think you can say that, considering that people like Distruzio are allowed to voice their opinions in democracies. Monarchies are generally the much deadlier system.


dissent isn't the enemy of democracy.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:04 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:I don't think you can say that, considering that people like Distruzio are allowed to voice their opinions in democracies. Monarchies are generally the much deadlier system.


dissent isn't the enemy of democracy.

I agree.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:36 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:and highly deadly.

Not really. In monarchies and dictatorships changing regimes requires a bloody civil war or coup.
Democracies require waiting till the term is up and voting them out.

well I was actually referring to Hitler...
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:37 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Not really. In monarchies and dictatorships changing regimes requires a bloody civil war or coup.
Democracies require waiting till the term is up and voting them out.

well I was actually referring to Hitler...

Yeah a dictator.
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Postby Warda » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:37 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:and highly deadly.

Not really. In monarchies and dictatorships changing regimes requires a bloody civil war or coup.
Democracies require waiting till the term is up and voting them out.

*see poland-lithuania
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:39 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:well I was actually referring to Hitler...

Yeah a dictator.

who was voted into power....through a democratic process.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:40 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah a dictator.

who was voted into power....through a democratic process.

Silencing opposition to get elected doesn't strike me as democratic.
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Postby Warda » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:40 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah a dictator.

who was voted into power....through a democratic process.

the nazis never had half the seats in the german parliament
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:41 pm

Warda wrote:
Vazdania wrote:who was voted into power....through a democratic process.

the nazis never had half the seats in the german parliament


Source?
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:41 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:who was voted into power....through a democratic process.

Silencing opposition to get elected doesn't strike me as democratic.

Voted into office...Democratic.
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Postby Warda » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:42 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Warda wrote:the nazis never had half the seats in the german parliament


Source?

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm
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Postby The New Lowlands » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:43 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah a dictator.

who was voted into power....through a democratic process.

IIRC, their coalition won a majority. Then, using the SA to intimidate political opponents, the Nazis forced through the enabling act which gave government power to Hitler's government. In May 1933 the Social Democrats were banned as well and Hitler managed to gain complete control of the government.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:45 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Silencing opposition to get elected doesn't strike me as democratic.

Voted into office...Democratic.

Democracy is about more then that.
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