Objections to monarchy

[Warda]

The thing with any hereditary government is that even the greatest are doomed to have some nutjob ruler. A few examples:
Rome had Caligula. Russia had Ivan the Terrible. The list goes on and on.

Charles II of Spain. #NeverForget

The problem with Caligula was he started out really good and then just went full retard.

[Tlaceceyaya]

This land is your land, this land is my land.

Implying that it's both of ours.

So...I should be able to enter your house and eat your food then. Got it.

If you think that then you clearly do not understand it.

[The Parkus Empire]

Are in no way legal documents that entitle the highest non-government proprietor of the land to supersede the government, its ultimate proprietor; the deed holder is merely the manager. You may make a case that your ancestor or whatever got "tricked" into paying for the deed and didn't know this, but I'd have an easier time swallowing pizza crust without chewing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

[Vazdania]

So...I should be able to enter your house and eat your food then. Got it.

If you think that then you clearly do not understand it.

Communal land. We all own the land. Therefore its not trespassing if I go onto 'your' property, because its also 'my' property.

[Wintersun]

But you have. If you don't consent, leave, just like with a hotel. If you don't pay, you must go.

No. I have my land. This land is my land. It is not the government's land. Nor is it anyone else's. I'll gladly stay here. I don't consent to your fictional contract.

I can find a few thousands Native Americans who'd like a word with you...

[Frisivisia]

Charles II of Spain. #NeverForget

The problem with Caligula was he started out really good and then just went full retard.

Perhaps he was just doing it because "lol im emperor yo i can do wat i want"

[Shnercropolis]

This land is your land, this land is my land.

Implying that it's both of ours.

So...I should be able to enter your house and eat your food then. Got it.

My house and food are not land.

Charles II of Spain. #NeverForget

The problem with Caligula was he started out really good and then just went full retard.

Rather, he went full crazy goddamn whacko.

[Vazdania]

No. I have my land. This land is my land. It is not the government's land. Nor is it anyone else's. I'll gladly stay here. I don't consent to your fictional contract.

I can find a few thousands Native Americans who'd like a word with you...

Well the land was acquired via war conquest and then sold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

[Tlaceceyaya]

If you think that then you clearly do not understand it.

Communal land. We all own the land. Therefore its not trespassing if I go onto 'your' property, because its also 'my' property.

No.

[The Parkus Empire]

The problem with Caligula was he started out really good and then just went full retard.

Perhaps he was just doing it because "lol im emperor yo i can do wat i want"

He regressed into 2edgy4emperor

[Vazdania]

So...I should be able to enter your house and eat your food then. Got it.

My house and food are not land.

The problem with Caligula was he started out really good and then just went full retard.

Rather, he went full crazy goddamn whacko.

Fine....I'll just stand on your nice green lawn...and start mining for gold or some shit and tear it up.

[Wintersun]

I can find a few thousands Native Americans who'd like a word with you...

Well the land was acquired via war conquest and then sold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

Right of conquest is pure fiction. They never agreed to it. They never signed a contract. It was forced on them by invaders. Besides, you didn't conquer the land so by that logic you don't own it either.

[Minarchist States]

I can find a few thousands Native Americans who'd like a word with you...

Well the land was acquired via war conquest and then sold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

There is no "right of conquest." All conquest is initiated by force. It's not contractual.

[The Parkus Empire]

I can find a few thousands Native Americans who'd like a word with you...

Well the land was acquired via war conquest and then sold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

And now you're complaining about being subjugated? Nigga, you serious?

[Vazdania]

Communal land. We all own the land. Therefore its not trespassing if I go onto 'your' property, because its also 'my' property.

No.

yes, its everyone's property.

[Warda]

The problem with Caligula was he started out really good and then just went full retard.

Perhaps he was just doing it because "lol im emperor yo i can do wat i want"

Theres the im gawd on teh earf!!!! and forcing a person to view their husband chained to a wall being eaten by rats with gangrene oozing out funness, and then having sex with the person on the dining table and forcing everyone to watch.

[Frisivisia]

Perhaps he was just doing it because "lol im emperor yo i can do wat i want"

Theres the im gawd on teh earf!!!! and forcing a person to view their husband chained to a wall being eaten by rats with gangrene oozing out funness, and then having sex with the person on the dining table and forcing everyone to watch.

That last one is kinky and sounds nice if you're into exhibitionism.

[Seleucas]

Wasn't Reagan a Minarcho-Monarchist? I forgot.

Well, that seems to pretty much jettison the notion of the social contract. If the rules are determined simply by the numbers on each side, rather than the consent of both parties, then there's absolutely nothing contractual about it.

Exactly! The social contract is absurd.

To me, it is the most thoroughly moronic political theory, absolutely bereft of any redeeming value. There are even parts of Marxism that I agree with/find interesting, but the idea of the state being some kind of monist embodiment of the people to which everyone implicitly consents (regardless of their explicit actions) is so clearly full of holes that I don't understand why anyone would use it to justify any government.

If one had to justify government, I think the most logical argument would have to be that the state has the power, and thus if you do not want to be harmed you must obey its decisions. I would not do so, but one could argue that this would be beneficial to those who are made to obey without having to make up nonsense about people secretly consenting to their treatment or the government being the interest of everyone, as opposed to its own specific interest.

[Tlaceceyaya]

No.

yes, its everyone's property.

A group or culture historically owns a piece of land and distributes it among its members, through the relevant authority.

[Warda]

Theres the im gawd on teh earf!!!! and forcing a person to view their husband chained to a wall being eaten by rats with gangrene oozing out funness, and then having sex with the person on the dining table and forcing everyone to watch.

That last one is kinky and sounds nice if you're into exhibitionism.

Nero had a pregnant woman walk pass him and he thought her child was laughing at him. So he cut open her womb and stabbed the fetus to death, and then her.

[Shnercropolis]

My house and food are not land.
Rather, he went full crazy goddamn whacko.

Fine....I'll just stand on your nice green lawn...and start mining for gold or some shit and tear it up.

I own the mineral rights. Anything you dig up is mine.

[Frisivisia]

Wasn't Reagan a Minarcho-Monarchist? I forgot.



Exactly! The social contract is absurd.

To me, it is the most thoroughly moronic political theory, absolutely bereft of any redeeming value. There are even parts of Marxism that I agree with/find interesting, but the idea of the state being some kind of monist embodiment of the people to which everyone implicitly consents (regardless of their explicit actions) is so clearly full of holes that I don't understand why anyone would use it to justify any government.

If one had to justify government, I think the most logical argument would have to be that the state has the power, and thus if you do not want to be harmed you must obey its decisions. I would not do so, but one could argue that this would be beneficial to those who are made to obey without having to make up nonsense about people secretly consenting to their treatment or the government being the interest of everyone, as opposed to its own specific interest.

You live in the land, you accept public services and agree to pay for them. You also get to vote for people and things. It's pretty straightforward and hardly "moronic".

[Frisivisia]

That last one is kinky and sounds nice if you're into exhibitionism.

Nero had a pregnant woman walk pass him and he thought her child was laughing at him. So he cut open her womb and stabbed the fetus to death, and then her.

You can't have fetuses laughing at the Emperor.

[Wintersun]

To me, it is the most thoroughly moronic political theory, absolutely bereft of any redeeming value. There are even parts of Marxism that I agree with/find interesting, but the idea of the state being some kind of monist embodiment of the people to which everyone implicitly consents (regardless of their explicit actions) is so clearly full of holes that I don't understand why anyone would use it to justify any government.

If one had to justify government, I think the most logical argument would have to be that the state has the power, and thus if you do not want to be harmed you must obey its decisions. I would not do so, but one could argue that this would be beneficial to those who are made to obey without having to make up nonsense about people secretly consenting to their treatment or the government being the interest of everyone, as opposed to its own specific interest.

You live in the land, you accept public services and agree to pay for them. You also get to vote for people and things. It's pretty straightforward and hardly "moronic".

But taxes were the lowest they'd ever been last year! I'm being oppressed Frisivisia!!!

[Warda]

Nero had a pregnant woman walk pass him and he thought her child was laughing at him. So he cut open her womb and stabbed the fetus to death, and then her.

You can't have fetuses laughing at the Emperor.

fetuses are always causing so much trouble