Objections to monarchy

[Frisivisia]

But you have. If you don't consent, leave, just like with a hotel. If you don't pay, you must go.

No. I have my land. This land is my land. It is not the government's land. Nor is it anyone else's. I'll gladly stay here. I don't consent to your fictional contract.

Aren't you a little rebel. How cute. Where you from, Idaho, right?

Ah, "rugged" individualism. So crazy, so funny, so concerning.

You see, this land is your land, but it's also my land. From California, to the New York Island. From the Redwood Forest to the Gulfstream Waters, this land was made for you and me.

[The Parkus Empire]

The judges are appointed by democratically elected representatives, they aren't hereditary, and their highest purpose is to serve a Constitution that protects the rights of the marginalized, not themselves. I really don't see how an hereditary judiciary would be especially good, especially if its highest good were itself.

Regardless, they lie beyond the oversight of the public electorate. Their appointments are for life. Their highest purpose is to serve a document as they, individually, interpret it to best protect the rights of the marginalized. You're connecting dots where there are none and ignoring dots where there are.

BEEP! Wrong, you're the one who is connecting dots that aren't there by saying an appointed, life term judge is similar in any way to a monarch besides not being directly democratically elected and servicing a life term.

[Seleucas]

Even my landlady wouldn't dare to change the rules whenever she pleases and without first having my clear consent.

Oh, but the government does. It's called elections. You try making sure everyone's opinions are specifically informed when you have 300 million tenants in one apartment.

Elections are meaningless; my participation is null due to statistical insignificance and the iron rule of oligarchy. No matter what option I might choose, I will have to obey whatever the government decides upon. I might as well not have any representation at all considering its practical effects.

[The Parkus Empire]

But you have. If you don't consent, leave, just like with a hotel. If you don't pay, you must go.

No. I have my land. This land is my land. It is not the government's land. Nor is it anyone else's. I'll gladly stay here. I don't consent to your fictional contract.

I dunno what makes it "your" land. The government was here long before you were

[Frisivisia]

Oh, but the government does. It's called elections. You try making sure everyone's opinions are specifically informed when you have 300 million tenants in one apartment.

Elections are meaningless; my participation is null due to statistical insignificance and the iron rule of oligarchy. No matter what option I might choose, I will have to obey whatever the government decides upon. I might as well not have any representation at all considering its practical effects.

I'm sorry, there's a whole lot of people who are exactly as entitled to having their opinions put in government, it's not my fault that nobody agrees with you. I guess that's what you get for living with other people and having dumb beliefs that nobody likes.

[Vazdania]

No. I have my land. This land is my land. It is not the government's land. Nor is it anyone else's. I'll gladly stay here. I don't consent to your fictional contract.

Aren't you a little rebel. How cute. Where you from, Idaho, right?

Ah, "rugged" individualism. So crazy, so funny, so concerning.

You see, this land is your land, but it's also my land. From California, to the New York Island. From the Redwood Forest to the Gulfstream Waters, this land was made for you and me.

A little rebel? hmm.... Yes.

The only land that is mine, is the property that I own and will inherit.

[Frisivisia]

Aren't you a little rebel. How cute. Where you from, Idaho, right?

Ah, "rugged" individualism. So crazy, so funny, so concerning.

You see, this land is your land, but it's also my land. From California, to the New York Island. From the Redwood Forest to the Gulfstream Waters, this land was made for you and me.

A little rebel? hmm.... Yes.

The only land that is mine, is the property that I own and will inherit.

Actually, I'm unsure if you've heard about it, but the government can take your property for public works, generally with compensation. I forget what it's called, but yeah.

[Vazdania]

No. I have my land. This land is my land. It is not the government's land. Nor is it anyone else's. I'll gladly stay here. I don't consent to your fictional contract.

I dunno what makes it "your" land. The government was here long before you were

I bought it. My parents acquired this land through a legal contract.

Who cares if the government was 'here before'? the land was sold off to private entities who then sold it to my grandfather.

[Vazdania]

A little rebel? hmm.... Yes.

The only land that is mine, is the property that I own and will inherit.

Actually, I'm unsure if you've heard about it, but the government can take your property for public works, generally with compensation. I forget what it's called, but yeah.

Eminent Domain is bullshit. I've no idea why the founders included it.

[Frisivisia]

Actually, I'm unsure if you've heard about it, but the government can take your property for public works, generally with compensation. I forget what it's called, but yeah.

Eminent Domain is bullshit. I've no idea why the founders included it.

If you don't like it, run for office and get it done. Until then, this land is your land, this land is my land.

[The Parkus Empire]

I dunno what makes it "your" land. The government was here long before you were

I bought it. My parents acquired this land through a legal contract.

Who cares if the government was 'here before'? the land was sold off to private entities who then sold it to my grandfather.

All the time the land was still under ultimate legal proprietorship of the government, there was never any trace of confusion or question regarding this.

[Vazdania]

Eminent Domain is bullshit. I've no idea why the founders included it.

If you don't like it, run for office and get it done. Until then, this land is your land, this land is my land.

And that's the way I like it.

[Frisivisia]

If you don't like it, run for office and get it done. Until then, this land is your land, this land is my land.

And that's the way I like it.

You like communal land?

[Vazdania]

I bought it. My parents acquired this land through a legal contract.

Who cares if the government was 'here before'? the land was sold off to private entities who then sold it to my grandfather.

All the time the land was still under ultimate legal proprietorship of the government, there was never any trace of confusion or question regarding this.

HA! Land deeds, dear Parkus. Land Deeds.

[Vazdania]

And that's the way I like it.

You like communal land?

You can keep your land, and I'll keep mine.

[Brocwika]

Monarchy is just stupid, honestly.

A person should not be a ruler (or even figurehead) solely because of blood relations.

[Frisivisia]

You like communal land?

You can keep your land, and I'll keep mine.

This land is your land, this land is my land.

Implying that it's both of ours.

[Shnercropolis]

The thing with any hereditary government is that even the greatest are doomed to have some nutjob ruler. A few examples:
Rome had Caligula. Russia had Ivan the Terrible. The list goes on and on.

[Frisivisia]

The thing with any hereditary government is that even the greatest are doomed to have some nutjob ruler. A few examples:
Rome had Caligula. Russia had Ivan the Terrible. The list goes on and on.

Charles II of Spain. #NeverForget

[Vazdania]

You can keep your land, and I'll keep mine.

This land is your land, this land is my land.

Implying that it's both of ours.

So...I should be able to enter your house and eat your food then. Got it.

[Seleucas]

Elections are meaningless; my participation is null due to statistical insignificance and the iron rule of oligarchy. No matter what option I might choose, I will have to obey whatever the government decides upon. I might as well not have any representation at all considering its practical effects.

I'm sorry, there's a whole lot of people who are exactly as entitled to having their opinions put in government, it's not my fault that nobody agrees with you. I guess that's what you get for living with other people and having dumb beliefs that nobody likes.

Well, that seems to pretty much jettison the notion of the social contract. If the rules are determined simply by the numbers on each side, rather than the consent of both parties, then there's absolutely nothing contractual about it.

[Minarchist States]

Wasn't Reagan a Minarcho-Monarchist? I forgot.

Well, that seems to pretty much jettison the notion of the social contract. If the rules are determined simply by the numbers on each side, rather than the consent of both parties, then there's absolutely nothing contractual about it.

Exactly! The social contract is absurd.

[Frisivisia]

This land is your land, this land is my land.

Implying that it's both of ours.

So...I should be able to enter your house and eat your food then. Got it.

The idea is that the government, a communal entity, can decide what's best and whether property is more important than building a new store that will feed the neighborhood.

[The Parkus Empire]

All the time the land was still under ultimate legal proprietorship of the government, there was never any trace of confusion or question regarding this.

HA! Land deeds, dear Parkus. Land Deeds.

Are in no way legal documents that entitle the highest non-government proprietor of the land to supersede the government, its ultimate proprietor; the deed holder is merely the manager. You may make a case that your ancestor or whatever got "tricked" into paying for the deed and didn't know this, but I'd have an easier time swallowing pizza crust without chewing.

[Vazdania]

HA! Land deeds, dear Parkus. Land Deeds.

Are in no way legal documents that entitle the highest non-government proprietor of the land to supersede the government, its ultimate proprietor; the deed holder is merely the manager. You may make a case that your ancestor or whatever got "tricked" into paying for the deed and didn't know this, but I'd have an easier time swallowing pizza crust without chewing.

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