Is It Correct To Be Politically Correct?

[Euronion]

Tit for tat. Mexican flags waved on fourth of july did not caused any overt hostility. American flag shirts on cinco de mayo caused booing and threats resulting to the students wearing them to be sent home.

It quite illustrate, where political correctness is expected.

It illustrates that gavas from the suburbs aren't about to get down with the brown. You get jumped for waving the U.S. flag on Cinco de Mayo, it's cuz Mexicans are jumping your ass, not because the PC brigade told them it's okay for them to jump you but not for you to jump them.

Well I recall reading about a similar situation at a school in New Mexico I think it was. On Cinco de Mayo a Mexican student put up a Mexican flag on the flag pole, removing the American flag, when another student took the Mexican flag down and hoisted the American flag up, the student who hoisted the American Flag up was suspended while the student who hoisted the Mexican flag got off with nothing.
I can't find that specific news story but I have found other cases were students have been suspended for wearing American colors on Cinco de Mayo

http://dailycaller.com/2010/05/06/students-kicked-off-campus-for-wearing-us-colors-on-cinco-de-mayo/

and in this article a Federal Judge ruled that suspending students for wearing American colors on Cinco de Mayo is not a violation of their rights

http://www.infowars.com/punished-for-patriotism-student-suspended-over-american-flag/

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't care for it. I hate it when people change things for the purpose of being politically correct, like B.C.E. and C.E. instead of B.C. and A.D., if you are going to go by our calendar than be honest in the historical fact that Jesus was thought to have died in the year 0 A.D.

Actually, he was originally thought to have been born then, and that's not an historical fact by any means.

I call "Native Americans" American Indians on purpose as well, why? because they are not native to the North American continent anymore than someone who was European and born in America is. They are immigrants as well who migrated across the bearing strait and settled here, they are not native to the continent, they are humans just like us who merely got there a lot earlier than us, they are not natives nor should they be called natives.

They aren't Indians either.

One thing that really ticked me off was that whole Paula Deen scandal, I mean the woman admits to saying one word several years ago, and she gets fired, her restaurants get shut down, etc. I mean come on, I hear black people call eachother "nigger" all the time, it's almost as synonymous as "brother" and "homie" (and no, I'm not suggesting all black people talk like that, but that many black people don't seem to have a problem with it).

It has a different meaning within their subcultures then it does in mainstream culture, so...yeah.... Unless you call your friends "homie" and "gangsta", if you use the word "nigger" it's surely as a slur.

As for publically speaking against gay marriage, I do it any time it is brought up, I don't hide my views. I may be called names and be hated for it but I'll be damned if I'll be silenced or bullied and scoffed into changing my views because it is not deemed as socially acceptable by a formal minority of the population.

More than half of the population favors gay marriage

[The Parkus Empire]

It illustrates that gavas from the suburbs aren't about to get down with the brown. You get jumped for waving the U.S. flag on Cinco de Mayo, it's cuz Mexicans are jumping your ass, not because the PC brigade told them it's okay for them to jump you but not for you to jump them.

Well I recall reading about a similar situation at a school in New Mexico I think it was. On Cinco de Mayo a Mexican student put up a Mexican flag on the flag pole, removing the American flag, when another student took the Mexican flag down and hoisted the American flag up, the student who hoisted the American Flag up was suspended while the student who hoisted the Mexican flag got off with nothing.
I can't find that specific news story but I have found other cases were students have been suspended for wearing American colors on Cinco de Mayo

http://dailycaller.com/2010/05/06/students-kicked-off-campus-for-wearing-us-colors-on-cinco-de-mayo/

and in this article a Federal Judge ruled that suspending students for wearing American colors on Cinco de Mayo is not a violation of their rights

http://www.infowars.com/punished-for-patriotism-student-suspended-over-american-flag/

Therefore?

[Sierra Lobo]

Concise. Who says the PC brigade is fair.

>implying that the Mexicans jumping you are the PC brigade and not in fact the same sort of Mexicans who use the word "niggers" to refer to blacks

Where is the chinese in all of this?

[The Parkus Empire]

>implying that the Mexicans jumping you are the PC brigade and not in fact the same sort of Mexicans who use the word "niggers" to refer to blacks

Where is the chinese in all this?

Asian hoodlums beef with Mexican hoodlums. There are actually quite a few Asian crip sets.

[Old Tyrannia]

Political correctness is a farce. The "good" side of political correctness is just the same as being polite and considerate, and requires no silly term. The "bad" side of political correctness- all those daft stories you hear like children being made to sing "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep" and brainstorming being offensive to epileptic individuals- is stupid and should be stomped out.

[Conkerials]

For example, calling a man "African American" rather than "black", shunning those who use the word "fat" to describe an overweight person, and how its considered by many to be incorrect to pubicly oppose gay marriage.

I am against political correctness, due to its biased nature. One can say "white trash" but never "nigger". One can support homosexuality, but will be protested if their against it, etc...

Woooow, hold on, hold on.

If for about a century and a half in the US, whites would be natural slaves to African Americans, and would find themselves lynched in trees with crowds cheering. 'Goodbye White trash' Then sure, I would see them as equally offensive. Now, white trash certainly has a racist undertone, but mostly related to the trailer trash culture, whereas the word nigger, is one that has so much historical weight behind it and implications that the two words will never be the same as far as the weight of it goes. However, that being said, a significant part of modern African American culture sure has debased it's original implications and that has not done them any favors.

For the most part I am against political correctness, because it goes in stark contrast with critical thinking and often leaves poor standards accepted due to convenience sake, but these examples relate closer to poe's law strawmen than actual arguments against it. It's ok having ones heart in the right place, but the very worst one can do when it comes to going against political correctness is presenting it in a light without historical context.

I don't think the word "nigger" or "nigga" carry the same weight they did during that time period. Not to mention, you don't see white people going up to eachother saying, "Hey (white) trash, lets go hit the bar."

[Big Jim P]

Personally I prefer to be honest, but to each his or her own.

[Ermarian]

"Political correctness" is a stopgap measure that, for people who don't actually respect other people, provides a rule that lets them pretend to do so. Personally, I'd prefer these people to stop acting like rebels who are not allowed to say what they want (because they are). Instead, they should say exactly what they want and take the verbal smackdown they so richly deserve.

[Timna]

These days one must be careful of what comes out of their mouths, and make an effort to be politically correct. Is it bad not to be politically correct, and vice versa? (when I say politically correct, I mean, for example, the public backlash a politician would recieved if he or she "offended someone through dialogue"). What is your opinion of political correctness? (regarding a statement by a none-bigoted individual)

It's a noble attempt to equalise social capital across society. If the least it does is make people aware that their choice of language has implications, so be it.

The vast majority of people who're against it are very, very retrograde people. Stupid, racist uncles (or future uncles), basically.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

To a degree. It's obviously a good thing that it's considered socially unacceptable for people to run around calling each other 'nigger', 'faggot', etc.

But there are times when it goes too far, for example this ban on the word "brainstorming" for allegedly being offensive to people with epilepsy even though people with epilepsy don't find it remotely offensive.

This.

[Big Jim P]

These days one must be careful of what comes out of their mouths, and make an effort to be politically correct. Is it bad not to be politically correct, and vice versa? (when I say politically correct, I mean, for example, the public backlash a politician would recieved if he or she "offended someone through dialogue"). What is your opinion of political correctness? (regarding a statement by a none-bigoted individual)

It's a noble attempt to equalise social capital across society. If the least it does is make people aware that their choice of language has implications, so be it.

The vast majority of people who're against it are very, very retrograde people. Stupid, racist uncles (or future uncles), basically.

How very PC of you to point that out.

Isn't it funny that "PC" only applies to certain groups and not others?

[Timna]

How very PC of you to point that out.

Isn't it funny that "PC" only applies to certain groups and not others?

Being "PC" isn't about not calling people dickheads if they act like it.

It's about not having casual verbal abuse handed out to various groups who have much less social capital than those with the most power (read: you, sorry Big Jim P, qq more perhaps).

[Agritum]

It's a noble attempt to equalise social capital across society. If the least it does is make people aware that their choice of language has implications, so be it.

The vast majority of people who're against it are very, very retrograde people. Stupid, racist uncles (or future uncles), basically.

How very PC of you to point that out.

Isn't it funny that "PC" only applies to certain groups and not others?

Only for certain proponents of it.

I am all for rational correctness for all groups, personally.

[Timna]

I am all for rational correctness for all groups, personally.

I think everyone's for rational correctness, given that it doesn't mean anything at all but sounds enlightened.

[Big Jim P]

How very PC of you to point that out.

Isn't it funny that "PC" only applies to certain groups and not others?

Being "PC" isn't about not calling people dickheads if they act like it.

It's about not having casual verbal abuse handed out to various groups who have much less social capital than those with the most power (read: you, sorry Big Jim P, qq more perhaps).

I am not in the habit of handing out casual verbal abuse. I hand it out precisely and only when it is earned.

BTW, What does "qq" mean?

[Agritum]

I am all for rational correctness for all groups, personally.

I think everyone's for rational correctness, given that it doesn't mean anything at all but sounds enlightened.

Rational correctness? Well, political correctness, but the sane brand of it. I am all for permitting blacks, asians and whites to live without being called "nigger", "chink" or "white trash", but I really don't support the "brainstorm s offensive to epileptic people"-style things.

[Big Jim P]

I am all for rational correctness for all groups, personally.

I think everyone's for rational correctness, given that it doesn't mean anything at all but sounds enlightened.

Just like the term "political correctness".

Personally, I value rationality over politicality any day.

[Timna]

I am not in the habit of handing out casual verbal abuse. I hand it out precisely and only when it is earned.

Well then I guess there would be no reason to be against political correctness, unless your precision insults basically consist of "you are a fag, nigger".

BTW, What does "qq" mean?

It's a cognate of "whine".

[Timna]

I think everyone's for rational correctness, given that it doesn't mean anything at all but sounds enlightened.

Just like the term "political correctness".

Political correctness certainly does have a meaning that most people would understand (and many would bemoan).

"Rational correctness" just sounds like "I'm going to say what I would've said 30 years ago, just with 'no offense, mate, but...' while still claiming I'm being progressive in some way".

[Big Jim P]

I am not in the habit of handing out casual verbal abuse. I hand it out precisely and only when it is earned.

Well then I guess there would be no reason to be against political correctness, unless your precision insults basically consist of "you are a fag, nigger".

BTW, What does "qq" mean?

It's a cognate of "whine".

"Fag", "nigger" Etc are hardly precise.

And why would I whine in the first place, let alone more?

[Big Jim P]

Just like the term "political correctness".

Political correctness certainly does have a meaning that most people would understand (and many would bemoan).

"Rational correctness" just sounds like "I'm going to say what I would've said 30 years ago, just with 'no offense, mate, but...' while still claiming I'm being progressive in some way".

Rational correctness leads to an honesty of response, that some may find offensive.

In case you didn't notice, there is no right to not be offended.

[Ermarian]

Yeah, but neither is there a right not to be called an ass or ostracized for being offensive.

[Horsefish]

I think everyone's for rational correctness, given that it doesn't mean anything at all but sounds enlightened.

Rational correctness? Well, political correctness, but the sane brand of it. I am all for permitting blacks, asians and whites to live without being called "nigger", "chink" or "white trash", but I really don't support the "brainstorm s offensive to epileptic people"-style things.

You mean the epileptic thing that was enacted by one local council?

[Belauer]

PC is only needed when there is a need to be PC.

What do I mean by that?

If you are talking about a mob, and the mob happened to all be black then you can say a group of blacks formed a mob for x, y, and z reasons. You can't say a mob of n-words did the same thing because you are on a News station.

However I am all for PC adapting to relcamiations of a word, like what happened with the word gay(happy->insult to homosexuals->word claimed and celbrated by the community). The n-word is being reclaimed by the black community in America (probably thanks to people realizing that in other languages the n word is close to the word for black (spanish negro/negra is black)) but it still hurts when a white person who is not close to the black person in question calls then by that word.

I knew a guy who was called the n-word a lot by people in our band, but he joked about it and about being the only n-word in our honors class and was close to the guys who called him by that name. Eventually I think the n-word will grow out of being an insult, but it will take time.

Also: depends on the audience. As I don't know much about the Nation States community (I'm slow getting into forums and RP) I was PC here, just until I become more comfortable with the people who frequent the forum.