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If Asia is defined, what do you think?

Arabs, Chinese, from Mediterranean to Pacific. (Including Western Asia, Central, Southeast and East)
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Middle East and Asia (Central to East and Southeast Asia)
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China, Japan, North and South Korea, Southeast Asia.
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China.
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Asia is still not defined as the Middle East? No! The "Far East" is NOT Asia!
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Postby Costa Alegria » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:20 pm

Providence and Port Hope wrote:The Asian continent IS from Istanbul to Vladviostok, but it is divided in to Asia, the Middle East, India, and Siberia.

So:

Asians- China, Korea, Japan, SE Asia.

Arabs and Middle Easterners- Pakistan and west to Istanbul.

Indians- derp.

Siberians- Russia


So, what about the Mongols?
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Postby Cameroi » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:24 pm

by any rational definition of a continent, there are no separate asian and european continents. continents are not surrounded by imaginary invisible lines. they are surrounded and separated from each other by contiguous bodies of water.
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Postby Katyuscha » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:46 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Providence and Port Hope wrote:The Asian continent IS from Istanbul to Vladviostok, but it is divided in to Asia, the Middle East, India, and Siberia.

So:

Asians- China, Korea, Japan, SE Asia.

Arabs and Middle Easterners- Pakistan and west to Istanbul.

Indians- derp.

Siberians- Russia


So, what about the Mongols?

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Postby Olthar » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:46 pm

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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:47 pm

Avenio wrote:Any land or people 'from' or otherwise attached to the greater Eurasian plate, including the Indian and Arabian subcontinents.

So Europeans too?
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:53 pm

When I speak of Asia, I generally use the definition of Eurasia east of the Urals and the Dardanelles.

When speaking of Asians, I generally mean either people from there, or East/Southeast/Northeast/Central Asians.
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:55 pm

Providence and Port Hope wrote:The Asian continent IS from Istanbul to Vladviostok, but it is divided in to Asia, the Middle East, India, and Siberia.

So:

Asians- China, Korea, Japan, SE Asia.

Arabs and Middle Easterners- Pakistan and west to Istanbul.

Indians- derp.

Siberians- Russia

Pakistan isn't in the Middle East.
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Postby Auremena » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:01 pm

Pretty much the entire Asian continent, minus Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan feel like the definition of Asia to me. The listed exceptions are due to those basins being more closely economically and socially linked with Europe than Asia.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:14 pm

Olthar wrote:

Precisely my definition as well.
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:15 pm

Auremena wrote:Pretty much the entire Asian continent, minus Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan feel like the definition of Asia to me. The listed exceptions are due to those basins being more closely economically and socially linked with Europe than Asia.

I'm pretty sure the entire Middle East has more to do with Europe than East Asia...
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Postby Cetacea » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:34 pm

Maybe drawing the line at India would be more useful
Arumdaum wrote:
Auremena wrote:Pretty much the entire Asian continent, minus Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan feel like the definition of Asia to me. The listed exceptions are due to those basins being more closely economically and socially linked with Europe than Asia.

I'm pretty sure the entire Middle East has more to do with Europe than East Asia...

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Postby Galborg » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:24 am

I define Asia as the Continentas defined on page one of this thread. Asians = people who live there + people whose recent ancestors lived there.

That ain't how BBC defines Asians. When an Arab, Afghan or Chinaman does something, BBC will say that, but when BBC news says Asian youths did something, they always mean Indian.

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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:27 am

East of the Urals, West of the Pacific, North of the Indian ocean....

Or, you know...the Continent of Asia. Fuck this Afroeurasia shit.

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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:29 am

Galborg wrote:when BBC news says Asian youths did something, they always mean Indian.

I would love to see a few examples of this. Oh wait, no. If this claim is actually true, you should be able to produce every instance of BBC News saying the phrase "Asian youths," and be able to prove they're talking about Indians. Let's not exaggerate, shall we?
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Postby Nazis in Space » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:37 am

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Postby Cetacea » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:31 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Galborg wrote:when BBC news says Asian youths did something, they always mean Indian.

I would love to see a few examples of this. Oh wait, no. If this claim is actually true, you should be able to produce every instance of BBC News saying the phrase "Asian youths," and be able to prove they're talking about Indians. Let's not exaggerate, shall we?


Please lets not turn this into another Youth -in-Asia debate :p

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:49 am

Equalium wrote:Just a concerning question. I know many people nowadays say Asia is just China, North and South Korea, Japan and India. But I wanna hear what you think Asia is.

EDIT: In addition, I also wanna hear how you define an "Asian"

Asian is "people, places and things of asia". with asia being a continent.

when I use Asian to refer to people I most often mean east Asian--china, korea, japan, and the countries of southeast asia (but not Indonesia Malaysia or Singapore). the rest are south Asians, central Asians, middle easterners, siberians, etc.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:50 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Olthar wrote:

Precisely my definition as well.

Yep, same.

However, the only reason Europe is seen as separate from Asia is that Europeans are the ones who designed this geoscheme.

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Postby Blouman Empire » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:51 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:By the bloody continent.


And the nearby islands.
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Postby Lesbia » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:54 am

Any country located in the continent of Asia is, well, Asian. But I wouldn't call all of the people in those countries Asians even though they are. It'd be more race oriented, like Indian or Arab if they weren't something like Chinese or Japanese.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:11 am

Equalium wrote:Just a concerning question. I know many people nowadays say Asia is just China, North and South Korea, Japan and India. But I wanna hear what you think Asia is.


The part of the Afroeurasia supercontinent that lies east east and south of the line composed by the Ural mountains, the Obshchy Syrt, the Volga starting at the Samara Bend, the Kuma-Manych depression, the Azov Sea, the Black Sea, the Bosporus, the Dardanelles - and east of the line starting at the Suez Isthmus down the Red Sea to the Gate of Grief (Bab-el-Mandeb).

An Asian is any inhabitant of Asia.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:12 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Avenio wrote:Any land or people 'from' or otherwise attached to the greater Eurasian plate, including the Indian and Arabian subcontinents.

So Europeans too?

Africans also. :roll:
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Postby Cetacea » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:30 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Full members of the Asian Football Confederation - but excluding Australia, and with Kazakhstan, Israel, and Russia east of the Urals added.


Guam and North Mariana are both in the AFC and yet considered part of Oceania, considering Australia is in there too really makes the AFC list a bit suspect...
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