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If Asia is defined, what do you think?

Arabs, Chinese, from Mediterranean to Pacific. (Including Western Asia, Central, Southeast and East)
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Middle East and Asia (Central to East and Southeast Asia)
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China, Japan, North and South Korea, Southeast Asia.
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China.
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Asia is still not defined as the Middle East? No! The "Far East" is NOT Asia!
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Postby Mozzissey » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:41 am

I consider Afro-Eurasia as one giant continent, (same applies to the Americas). However, Asian I believe is a separate term, like European and African. I define Asian as Japan, China, the Koreas, southeast Asian nations. I define India as a subcontinent, and view them as similar, but different from Asians. I view the Middle East/Arabic world as separate from Asia and India, but similar. Europe is different all together culturally, which gives it the title of "Cultural Continent". The same label applies to India, the Middle East, and Asia, as well as all the different parts of Africa (Southern, Northern, Eastern, Western).

The Americas are divided into two "cultural continents"'; The largely Anglo-Saxon north (throw in some Francophones too) and the largely Hispanic south. They share a history of colonization and struggle.
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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:49 am

I define "Asia" as the continent of Asia as commonly defined by any sane geographer. I define "Asian" as things pertaining to the aforementioned continent, including, in appropriate contexts, the inhabitants thereof.
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Postby Cetacea » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:53 am

The Occident wrote:The Asian continent, as defined in tradition and politics, is the landmass consisting of the traditional Middle East, Asia Minor, the portion of Russia East of the Ural/Caucasus mountains and the archipelagos most directly to the east, south and north of this landmass. Under this definition, the following nations are Asian nations:

Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria, Russia, China, Japan, Mongolia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, The Philippines, Indonesia, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, India, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Brunei, Malaysia, Nepal, Sikkim, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Taiwan, Jordan, East Timor and Papua New Guinea..


Papua New Guinea is Asia? Well that does support my jibe that Western Australia is Asia too

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Postby Den Svenska Riket » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:58 am

For me Asia is everything from Asia Minor and the Ural Mountains over to the Pacific Islands on the east side of the IDL. The Far East is definitely Asia, so is the Middle East. However I have a real hard time thinking of Russians (some) as Asians. I always classify them as European.
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Postby Cadwgania » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:59 am

I like how Indians are completely forgotten about in this.

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Postby Syberea » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:09 am

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I should note; I was born in Yakutsk, does that mean that according to some people I'm not Russian, but Asian? *pokerface*
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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:16 am

Mozzissey wrote:I consider Afro-Eurasia as one giant continent, (same applies to the Americas). However, Asian I believe is a separate term, like European and African. I define Asian as Japan, China, the Koreas, southeast Asian nations. I define India as a subcontinent, and view them as similar, but different from Asians. I view the Middle East/Arabic world as separate from Asia and India, but similar. Europe is different all together culturally, which gives it the title of "Cultural Continent". The same label applies to India, the Middle East, and Asia, as well as all the different parts of Africa (Southern, Northern, Eastern, Western).

The Americas are divided into two "cultural continents"'; The largely Anglo-Saxon north (throw in some Francophones too) and the largely Hispanic south. They share a history of colonization and struggle.

Asia originally referred to Turkey and the Middle East, as well as Egypt east of the Nile.

The view of "Asians" as East Asians is largely dominant in areas with large amounts of East Asian immigrants, while in places such as the UK, which has a lot of South Asian migrants, people generally think of South Asians.

Southeast Asia (excluding Vietnam) is culturally more similar to India, and has historically had more contacts and influence with China rather than with China. The only reason why people tend to associate Southeast Asia with East Asia is because the people from there both have "small eyes" and they're "yellow," so obviously they're alike, and the situation is obviously different from white people in both Afghanistan and England, who are totally different and live in entirely different worlds.

Korea is a world apart from Tibet.

The Evenki are a world apart from the Javanese.

The Middle East is definitely not a world apart from Europe.

The cultures of Asia are a million times more diverse than England and Spain.

If you really think that the 'Asian' is a cultural group which Europe is excluded from due to how different it is, you're highly mistaken.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:17 am

Syberea wrote:(Image)

I should note; I was born in Yakutsk, does that mean that according to some people I'm not Russian, but Asian? *pokerface*

How'd you make that grouping?
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Postby Syberea » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:19 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Syberea wrote:(Image)

I should note; I was born in Yakutsk, does that mean that according to some people I'm not Russian, but Asian? *pokerface*

How'd you make that grouping?


Personal views?

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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:20 am

Syberea wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:How'd you make that grouping?


Personal views?

Like?..
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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:20 am

Cetacea wrote:
The Occident wrote:The Asian continent, as defined in tradition and politics, is the landmass consisting of the traditional Middle East, Asia Minor, the portion of Russia East of the Ural/Caucasus mountains and the archipelagos most directly to the east, south and north of this landmass. Under this definition, the following nations are Asian nations:

Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria, Russia, China, Japan, Mongolia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, The Philippines, Indonesia, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, India, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Brunei, Malaysia, Nepal, Sikkim, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Taiwan, Jordan, East Timor and Papua New Guinea..


Papua New Guinea is Asia? Well that does support my jibe that Western Australia is Asia too

Korea doesn't appear to be Asian either. :p
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Postby Syberea » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:21 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Syberea wrote:
Personal views?

Like?..


As in, I view everything within the red as Asian, and everything outside as.. Non-Asian.

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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:21 am

Syberea wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Like?..


As in, I view everything within the red as Asian, and everything outside as.. Non-Asian.

Yeah, and why?..
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Postby Syberea » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:22 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Syberea wrote:
As in, I view everything within the red as Asian, and everything outside as.. Non-Asian.

Yeah, and why?..


Personal conviction. Why? Got a better one?

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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:24 am

Syberea wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Yeah, and why?..


Personal conviction. Why? Got a better one?

:palm:

"I think everything in that is Asian, and everything outside isn't Asian."

"Why?"

"Personal views."

"What are your personal views?"

"I think everything in that is Asian, and everything outside isn't Asian."

"Why?"

"Personal views."
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Postby Syberea » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:26 am

My personal conviction that those are the hardline borders of where the term 'Asian' would apply to.
Certainly odd that I left out Indonesia and the like, but that's because whilst I also view them as South East Asians, I view them slightly more Pelopenesian than I view them Asian.The same goes for Indian and the Middle-Eastern & Former CIS nations. Indians are Indian first, Asian second. Etc.

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Postby Anollasia » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:27 am

The continent of Asia. But Turkey and Russia are Eurasian . And technically Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan are in Asia but it's not very Asian.

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Postby Syberea » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:29 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Syberea wrote:
Personal conviction. Why? Got a better one?

:palm:

"I think everything in that is Asian, and everything outside isn't Asian."

"Why?"

"Personal views."

"What are your personal views?"

"I think everything in that is Asian, and everything outside isn't Asian."

"Why?"

"Personal views."


You're laughing and yet you provide no better alternative to my personal conviction's image. How redundant.

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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:29 am

Anollasia wrote:The continent of Asia. But Turkey and Russia are Eurasian . And technically Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan are in Asia but it's not very Asian.

If your definition of Asian is what's in Asia, then Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan aren't "not very Asian."
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:29 am

Syberea wrote:My personal conviction that those are the hardline borders of where the term 'Asian' would apply to.
Certainly odd that I left out Indonesia and the like, but that's because whilst I also view them as South East Asians, I view them slightly more Pelopenesian than I view them Asian.The same goes for Indian and the Middle-Eastern & Former CIS nations. Indians are Indian first, Asian second. Etc.

What is Pelopenesian? That's not a real word or grouping as far as I know.
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Postby Anollasia » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:30 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Anollasia wrote:The continent of Asia. But Turkey and Russia are Eurasian . And technically Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan are in Asia but it's not very Asian.

If your definition of Asian is what's in Asia, then Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan aren't "not very Asian."


It has a less Asian feel, though it's geographically in Asia.

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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:31 am

Syberea wrote:My personal conviction that those are the hardline borders of where the term 'Asian' would apply to.
Certainly odd that I left out Indonesia and the like, but that's because whilst I also view them as South East Asians, I view them slightly more Pelopenesian than I view them Asian.The same goes for Indian and the Middle-Eastern & Former CIS nations. Indians are Indian first, Asian second. Etc.

Yeah, and why?

Is it because they all look the same to you?

Is it because you don't know anything about their cultures and just assume them all to be the same?

Do you know that the Peloponnese is the peninsula in Greece with Sparta in it?

Did you know that Asia at first meant Turkey, the Levant, and Egypt east of the Nile?

How are Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, the Thai, and the Burmese not Southeast Asian?
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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:32 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Syberea wrote:My personal conviction that those are the hardline borders of where the term 'Asian' would apply to.
Certainly odd that I left out Indonesia and the like, but that's because whilst I also view them as South East Asians, I view them slightly more Pelopenesian than I view them Asian.The same goes for Indian and the Middle-Eastern & Former CIS nations. Indians are Indian first, Asian second. Etc.

What is Pelopenesian? That's not a real word or grouping as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnese

it's in greece lol
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Postby Syberea » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:33 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Syberea wrote:My personal conviction that those are the hardline borders of where the term 'Asian' would apply to.
Certainly odd that I left out Indonesia and the like, but that's because whilst I also view them as South East Asians, I view them slightly more Pelopenesian than I view them Asian.The same goes for Indian and the Middle-Eastern & Former CIS nations. Indians are Indian first, Asian second. Etc.

What is Pelopenesian? That's not a real word or grouping as far as I know.


I'm aware that I messed up there. Apparently I mixed up Polynesian with Pellopenesian..
Damn you, Greek terms.

In any case, the name given to the native inhabitants of Hawaii, New Zealand, Australia (To an extent), and some parts of South-East Asia are Polynesians. I view them as such as a result.

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Postby Syberea » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:40 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Syberea wrote:My personal conviction that those are the hardline borders of where the term 'Asian' would apply to.
Certainly odd that I left out Indonesia and the like, but that's because whilst I also view them as South East Asians, I view them slightly more Pelopenesian than I view them Asian.The same goes for Indian and the Middle-Eastern & Former CIS nations. Indians are Indian first, Asian second. Etc.

Yeah, and why?

Is it because they all look the same to you?

Is it because you don't know anything about their cultures and just assume them all to be the same?

Do you know that the Peloponnese is the peninsula in Greece with Sparta in it?

Did you know that Asia at first meant Turkey, the Levant, and Egypt east of the Nile?

How are Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, the Thai, and the Burmese not Southeast Asian?



Are you blind? Seriously? I'm fairly sure in the image I provided you can take a look - With your EYES, that is- To what I initially drew up. Southeast Asian is Asian, no? Is it not? Huh?
It's my personal conviction to view these people as Asian, SouthEast Asian or whatever else there is, because they share cultural links with the 'Asian' people on a more distinct level than the Indians and Russians do, causing for some to not be considered Asian.

I view people as individuals, not as part of a 'race' or ethnic group. However, considering that in my lifetime I'm hardly ever going to be capable of meeting all the people from Asia, I drew up those boundaries in my head.

The other reason is that I'm from Yakutsk, Sakha Republic, Russia. I don't perceive myself as an Asian because I'm Caucasian in skincolour, I have green eyes, I'm a brunette, I speak European-Slavic languages (Aswell as Germanic ones) and I have no links with Asia. Is this too hard for you to understand?

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