Has The U.S Government Overstepped its Boundries on Anti-Gun

[Death Metal]

Well, my experience with them are all drunken bullies who openly threaten to beat up "commies and gays". One of which was actually harassing students outside of a school and threatening them "not to be queer or else". So fuck that shit.

Ah yes, judging a group based on a limited interaction with minute fractions of that group. That has always been known to produce accurate and correct results.

So daily for five years is limited now.

[Galloism]

Well, my experience with them are all drunken bullies who openly threaten to beat up "commies and gays". One of which was actually harassing students outside of a school and threatening them "not to be queer or else". So fuck that shit.

Ah yes, judging a group based on a limited interaction with minute fractions of that group. That has always been known to produce accurate and correct results.

Hence why I tacitly approve of the locals.

I make no judgements on others.

[Qahadim]

Inactivity doesn't change what you and I are. Like I said in the previous post your dislike of this fact is a moot point.

Well when the "fact" is a complete and total fiction I guess it doesn't matter what I think of it at all.

Your want of it being fictitious doesn't change the reality before you. Pirate militias are recognized as legitimate by the U.S. code and laws that vary from state to state. Not to mention that private militias were pivotal in the war for independence, giving my point historical backing.

[Death Metal]

Not to mention that private militias were pivotal in the war for independence, giving my point historical backing.

Irrelevant.

[Galloism]

Well when the "fact" is a complete and total fiction I guess it doesn't matter what I think of it at all.

Your want of it being fictitious doesn't change the reality before you. Pirate militias are recognized as legitimate by the U.S. code and laws that vary from state to state. Not to mention that private militias were pivotal in the war for independence, giving my point historical backing.

Next, we amend the constitution for ninja militias.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Ah yes, judging a group based on a limited interaction with minute fractions of that group. That has always been known to produce accurate and correct results.

Hence why I tacitly approve of the locals.

I make no judgements on others.

Likely the best way of doing it. Crazies use the term sometimes, and I don't doubt there are some hard-right 90s-style militias floating around.

[Death Metal]

Ah yes, judging a group based on a limited interaction with minute fractions of that group. That has always been known to produce accurate and correct results.

Hence why I tacitly approve of the locals.

I make no judgements on others.

Well, I've been burned once, so I don't intend to be burned fatally.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Ah yes, judging a group based on a limited interaction with minute fractions of that group. That has always been known to produce accurate and correct results.

So daily for five years is limited now.

When it's one group?
Yes.
That militia's bad. Ones that share that modus operandi are bad. You should realize this group is not the entire group covered by the term 'private militia'.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Your want of it being fictitious doesn't change the reality before you. Pirate militias are recognized as legitimate by the U.S. code and laws that vary from state to state. Not to mention that private militias were pivotal in the war for independence, giving my point historical backing.

Next, we amend the constitution for ninja militias.

That amendments already in there.
You just can't see it because...well, c'mon, ninjas.

[Qahadim]

Not to mention that private militias were pivotal in the war for independence, giving my point historical backing.

Irrelevant.

Hardly. It shows that private militia have been recognized as legitimate by our government since the inception of the USA.

[Qahadim]

Your want of it being fictitious doesn't change the reality before you. Pirate militias are recognized as legitimate by the U.S. code and laws that vary from state to state. Not to mention that private militias were pivotal in the war for independence, giving my point historical backing.

Next, we amend the constitution for ninja militias.

Lmao! The CDC is working on a mutant turtle program as we speak.

[Galloism]

Hence why I tacitly approve of the locals.

I make no judgements on others.

Well, I've been burned once, so I don't intend to be burned fatally.

Ironically, if we all followed that advice, NSG would be a ghost town.

[Death Metal]

Irrelevant.

Hardly. It shows that private militia have been recognized as legitimate by our government since the inception of the USA.

First of all, that was back when we had a very limited "army", much less a Constitution.

Secondly, the private militias were used because we had a limited army. Last I checked, our armed forces is pretty much the top of the world. Apples and Oranges.

Thirdly, that was two hundred years ago with limited resources. Using them just because we used to use them? Fuck, by that line of thought we should be using single-shot muskets, melting down statues to make cannons, and use nails for anti-personnel fire.

[Galloism]

Hardly. It shows that private militia have been recognized as legitimate by our government since the inception of the USA.

First of all, that was back when we had a very limited "army", much less a Constitution.

Secondly, the private militias were used because we had a limited army. Last I checked, our armed forces is pretty much the top of the world. Apples and Oranges.

Thirdly, that was two hundred years ago with limited resources. Using them just because we used to use them? Fuck, by that line of thought we should be using single-shot muskets, melting down statues to make cannons, and use nails for anti-personnel fire.

Actually, IIRC, we still do use nails and ball bearings for unidirectional antipersonnel explosive devices.

Or at least we did as late as the first gulf war.

[Chernoslavia]

The local militia down here is pretty nice. I'm not a member, but they frequently help the sheriffs office with air recon, search and rescue, underwater recovery, things like that.

All in all, I tacitly approve of them.

Well, my experience with them are all drunken bullies who openly threaten to beat up "commies and gays". One of which was actually harassing students outside of a school and threatening them "not to be queer or else". So fuck that shit.

Im not sure where that took place nor do I think your story is true. But my group frowns highly on that, anyone can join as long as they are not a felon, a racist, sexist, or barred from legally owning a firearm. And we do background checks so its not like you can just stop by and answer yes or no to all our questions.

[Qahadim]

Hardly. It shows that private militia have been recognized as legitimate by our government since the inception of the USA.

First of all, that was back when we had a very limited "army", much less a Constitution.

Secondly, the private militias were used because we had a limited army. Last I checked, our armed forces is pretty much the top of the world. Apples and Oranges.

Thirdly, that was two hundred years ago with limited resources. Using them just because we used to use them? Fuck, by that line of thought we should be using single-shot muskets, melting down statues to make cannons, and use nails for anti-personnel fire.

So what?

Point two is redundant and only expands your first point. So what?

If that was all we had at our disposal, then yes, that's what we should do. Like we did for WWII with rubber and steel, etc. However given our technological advancements that isn't the case, and forcing such hinders the effectiveness of the militia. If you want the militia abolished amend the constitution. It's that simple.

[Death Metal]

First of all, that was back when we had a very limited "army", much less a Constitution.

Secondly, the private militias were used because we had a limited army. Last I checked, our armed forces is pretty much the top of the world. Apples and Oranges.

Thirdly, that was two hundred years ago with limited resources. Using them just because we used to use them? Fuck, by that line of thought we should be using single-shot muskets, melting down statues to make cannons, and use nails for anti-personnel fire.

Actually, IIRC, we still do use nails and ball bearings for unidirectional antipersonnel explosive devices.

Or at least we did as late as the first gulf war.

I'm aware of shrapnel mines. I'm talking anti-personnel in artillery, where American Revolutionaries used improvised shrapnel instead of grapeshot.

[Galloism]

Actually, IIRC, we still do use nails and ball bearings for unidirectional antipersonnel explosive devices.

Or at least we did as late as the first gulf war.

I'm aware of shrapnel mines. I'm talking anti-personnel in artillery, where American Revolutionaries used improvised shrapnel instead of grapeshot.

Oh. Well, you didn't specify.

Not that it matters. The point remains that you made a bad comparison, there.

[Death Metal]

If that was all we had at our disposal, then yes, that's what we should do.

But that's not all we have anymore. We have things superior in every way and enough to go around that we don't have to worry about suddenly ramping up production. Our military resources are exponentially more than we had even in WWII, and it is highly unlikely we will need to go back to WWII-style production.

And we don't need a militia anymore for the same reason: We already have more personnel than we know what to do with. Reserves are nearly half of our armed forces!

They are obsolete just like the draft, and their only remains are vestigal and useless.

So, again: Barring a Red Dawn scenario, we don't need the 15th Fighting Whale Pelvis Militia. If it happens, you'll get a key to the gun locker. Till then, you have plenty of personal options. I myself plan on having a Makarov one day.

[Death Metal]

I'm aware of shrapnel mines. I'm talking anti-personnel in artillery, where American Revolutionaries used improvised shrapnel instead of grapeshot.

Oh. Well, you didn't specify.

Not that it matters. The point remains that you made a bad comparison, there.

Not really. We don't stuff nails in a cannon anymore, because we have tanks instead. Cannons are obsolete, and so are militias.

[Dyakovo]

You do realize that illegal immigrants and drug runners are not the same thing as an invasion, yes?

I don't recall ever saying invasion.

So you just didn't bother reading the convo you were responding too...

[Chernoslavia]

If that was all we had at our disposal, then yes, that's what we should do.

But that's not all we have anymore. We have things superior in every way and enough to go around that we don't have to worry about suddenly ramping up production. Our military resources are exponentially more than we had even in WWII, and it is highly unlikely we will need to go back to WWII-style production.

And we don't need a militia anymore for the same reason: We already have more personnel than we know what to do with. Reserves are nearly half of our armed forces!

They are obsolete just like the draft, and their only remains are vestigal and useless.

So, again: Barring a Red Dawn scenario, we don't need the 15th Fighting Whale Pelvis Militia. If it happens, you'll get a key to the gun locker. Till then, you have plenty of personal options. I myself plan on having a Makarov one day.

That deosnt give us the right to force militias to cease and desist.

A makarov? Contact Puzikas or Spreewerke for more info or go visit his website for his review on the Makarov.

[Ifreann]

Those things are remarkably dangerous and neither of them have demonstrated that they can and will take the appropriate precautions to protect themselves and those around them.

Owning those requires extensive amount of paperwork, a background check, registration, a $200 fee, and months of waiting for BATF approval. If someone is willing to pass all these hoops just to own those weapons then why should they be barred from owning them?

Because they won't, or can't, keep and use them safely.

[Collective America]

I'm a lot older than you.

"Peculiar" is a fairly high bar for me.

Communist supporting universal gun rights is pretty far up there tbh.

I am not a state supporting Communist. I am closer to Libertarian socialist/Anarchist.

If you want to get really specific; I am a Anarcho-syndicalist but I love the patriotism and culture of the old soviet union. I really hate big government and think socialism can be achieved without a giant oppressive state. Also i love guns.

[Chernoslavia]

Owning those requires extensive amount of paperwork, a background check, registration, a $200 fee, and months of waiting for BATF approval. If someone is willing to pass all these hoops just to own those weapons then why should they be barred from owning them?

Because they won't, or can't, keep and use them safely.

Thats thought policing. Not a good reason to deny someone these weapons.