California Governor Signs Transgender Student Bill

[Valtakuntia]

Well, since at this point, we've totally devolved from talking about sports at all, I am obligated to ask 2 things. 1. Would you care for some tea? And 2. Are you my mummy?

Mummy???

No I'm the Doctor

Mummy? Are you there, mummy? Have you seen my mummy?

Muuuuummy, muuuuummy...

[Len Hyet]

No I'm the Doctor

Mummy? Are you there, mummy? Have you seen my mummy?

Muuuuummy, muuuuummy...

RUN!

[Blasveck]

Politicians and their voters can multitask.

Aha, sometimes. But pandering is a thing, and many voters are (sadly) single issue people.

You think giving rights to trans* people is pandering?

Oh for fucks sake...

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

GO TO YOUR ROOM!

You don't watch Doctor Who do you?

The doctor literally told him, "GO TO YOUR ROOM." The thing stopped, walked away, and the Doctor smiled and said, "I can't believe that worked!"

[Tsiryli]

Ugh, tell me about it. My parents support Ken K. For VA Governor. You know, the psycho. Why? Because the other guy is a liberal and clearly liberals don't know how to run an economy. Never mind he started and ran his own business.

Oh god... Is that the guy who's against consensual anal sex?

You know, there's an old law in Virginia that forbids sex with the lights on. I highly doubt that there's gonna be a cop outside everyone's bedroom window snooping to see if someone's getting sexual things done to their butthole.

Even then, the sentiment of passing such a law is uncreative at best, and otherwise fanatical and blind.

[Sommorragh]

Yes, because personal finance is frivolous.

Though, I was unaware of California enlarging its budget.

You still haven't explained how this affects the taxpayers

What, is there a trans* tax?

Politicans get paid. That money has to come from somewhere. A politican put precedent over many other (arguably more pressing) issues, such as immigration, taxation of different classes, education, e.t.c....

That's a gross oversimplification, but you get the picture.

[Oneracon]

Aha, sometimes. But pandering is a thing, and many voters are (sadly) single issue people.

You think giving rights to trans* people is pandering?

Oh for fucks sake...

Remember kids, keeping the rich people rich is more important than ensuring everyone has rights to be who they are.

[Lost heros]

The LGBT is a Civil rights movement. What economic ramifications could you possibly be referring to?

1. possible shift in topics that gain presidency amongst voters, 2. the detracting of Government focus from economic crisises, 3. the money involved of passing such bills, 4. shifts in workplace dynamics, 5. companies pushing such agendas, etcetera.

1. That's what you get for living in a democracy. People have their own ideas, and some people want certain things. If a candidate supports a movement that a voter also supports. That voter will vote for that candidate. And there is nothing you can do to stop that.
2. It is the job of the government to do many things. One of those things is to move society to a more ideal society for the people.
3. Bills costs money. Get over it.
4. Workplace dynamics don't change at all with the passing of this bill...
5. Good for those companies! This has nothing to do with the passing of this bill.

[Len Hyet]

You don't watch Doctor Who do you?

The doctor literally told him, "GO TO YOUR ROOM." The thing stopped, walked away, and the Doctor smiled and said, "I can't believe that worked!"

Sarcasm

Always nice to meet another Whovian.

[San Whoopee]

How about the white people who felt uncomfortable with blacks in their classrooms in the '60s?

Skin color is an external characteristic.

So? Prejudice is prejudice; discrimination is discrimination.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

The doctor literally told him, "GO TO YOUR ROOM." The thing stopped, walked away, and the Doctor smiled and said, "I can't believe that worked!"

Sarcasm

Always nice to meet another Whovian.

Not a big Whovian, I just really like that episode.

[Sommorragh]

Aha, sometimes. But pandering is a thing, and many voters are (sadly) single issue people.

You think giving rights to trans* people is pandering?

Oh for fucks sake...

No. But, it certainly exists and both the Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it.

[Blasveck]

You still haven't explained how this affects the taxpayers

What, is there a trans* tax?

Politicans get paid. That money has to come from somewhere. A politican put precedent over many other (arguably more pressing) issues, such as immigration, taxation of different classes, education, e.t.c....

That's a gross oversimplification, but you get the picture.

And this connects to this bill how exactly?

[The Archregimancy]

I honestly think that bathrooms and sports should be divided based on sex, not gender. A person who is sexually male but identifies as female should still use the boys restroom, and vice versa. That's why we don't have (for the most part, with exceptions) co-ed restrooms.

As a side note, I'm interested in how it will be enforced. I CAN see this turning into a fiasco, with teenage boys claiming to identify as girls to use their restroom, or be on their teams. Trust me, speaking as a high school boy, this isn't far fetched. At all. I can also see Sports Coaches asking boys to claim that they identify as girls to get them on the girls sports teams. A whole new level of sports investigations just opened up. Now I'm NOT saying that these will happen, I'm just bringing them up as good for thought.

Right, I should be forced to use the mens room because you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that I'm female.
Tell me, would you want this person to be going into the girls room?

Just because you're a monstrous and reprehensible pervert doesn't mean that all teenage boys are.
You think this "argument" of yours is anything new and special? Please look back through the thread.

I appreciate that you feel very strongly about this issue, which is absolutely fine; there's nothing wrong with holding strong opinions on an issue that impacts you personally. Calling a fellow poster "monstrous and reprehensible perverts" is, however, totally over the top in the specific context of Len Hyet's post.

You are perfectly within your rights to strongly and vigorously attack the argument, even to characterise the argument itself as "monstrous and perverted", but since this was clearly directed at the poster rather than the argument, I have - with regret - little choice here but to hand out a *** warning for flaming ***.

For comparison, this earlier post of yours was absolutely fine since it attacked the argument, not the poster:

And.....They are just confused, its better to not encourage disordered behavior, your talking about them like their a race.

I'm not confused about my gender. Take your patronizing, pseudo-intellectual bullshit and shove it.

[Len Hyet]

Sarcasm

Always nice to meet another Whovian.

Not a big Whovian, I just really like that episode.

A good one, but not a real favorite of mine.

[Neoconstantius]

You think giving rights to trans* people is pandering?

Oh for fucks sake...

Remember kids, keeping the rich people rich is more important than ensuring everyone has rights to be who they are.

The rich? How is that relevant to anything?

[Lost heros]

Remember kids, keeping the rich people rich is more important than ensuring everyone has rights to be who they are.

The rich? How is that relevant to anything?

Sommorragh has clearly stated he believes money is more important than transgenders.

[Valtakuntia]

Mummy? Are you there, mummy? Have you seen my mummy?

Muuuuummy, muuuuummy...

RUN!

Where's my mummy?

[Kardelia]

Not surprising, this country will continue to move left, unfortunately.

Issues involving Gender "equality" have gone way too far.

No they haven't.

For thousands of years Traansgender (and other LGBT people) have been discriminated against.

It's about time.

Well, you can give as many rights as you want to your country as this is utmost respected, but respect some countries which do not want to give some rights to these groups due to political/cultural/social/religious backgrounds such as the right to adopt children

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

No they haven't.

For thousands of years Traansgender (and other LGBT people) have been discriminated against.

It's about time.

Well, you can give as many rights as you want to your country as this is utmost respected, but respect some countries which do not want to give some rights to these groups due to political/cultural/social/religious backgrounds such as the right to adopt children

Sorry, no, I refuse to give those countries respect.

[Blasveck]

No they haven't.

For thousands of years Traansgender (and other LGBT people) have been discriminated against.

It's about time.

Well, you can give as many rights as you want to your country as this is utmost respected, but respect some countries which do not want to give some rights to these groups due to political/cultural/social/religious backgrounds such as the right to adopt children

Human rights trump national sovereignty, mate.

[Oneracon]

No they haven't.

For thousands of years Traansgender (and other LGBT people) have been discriminated against.

It's about time.

Well, you can give as many rights as you want to your country as this is utmost respected, but respect some countries which do not want to give some rights to these groups due to political/cultural/social/religious backgrounds such as the right to adopt children

So we should respect countries that don't give human rights to their citizens?

[Lost heros]

No they haven't.

For thousands of years Traansgender (and other LGBT people) have been discriminated against.

It's about time.

Well, you can give as many rights as you want to your country as this is utmost respected, but respect some countries which do not want to give some rights to these groups due to political/cultural/social/religious backgrounds such as the right to adopt children

What if your country started to discriminate you based on a political/cultural/social/religious background? Should the rest of us just sit back and say, "Whatever. I respect their decision. And I am not going to do anything about it."

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

This bill is an absolute tran-vesty ( See what I did there?). But in all seriousness this bill is a bad idea. It would be better to just build transgender bathrooms. Seperate restrooms for each gender. Its unfair to men, and women. No offence, but I dont want to be using the same restroom as a transgender. Plus its unfair to people on sports teams.

Or we could just do away with gendered bathrooms. It's not like women don't understand urinals and would be tempted to shit in them, right?

Women in my culture seem to consider segreated bathrooms their first gender-empowering experience, while at school, it is like their "treehouse". No, seriously, ALL girls in a group of friends go "retouch their makeup" ALL at the same time.

But as a non-binary person I don't believe we would like to go away with these, anyway. My male side profitted a lot from the male restroom, in a way that is not very dignified but was excused because it was still early in my social development. Things you only do and say in male restrooms and locker rooms are also empowering for us, especially those not heterosexual in a culture not especially obsessed with strict heterosexuality.

In any case, we are such a magnifically small minority, that I don't think our existence would cause distress for a whole student community. Girls would probably love to go in the company of "gay" guys with gender role issues (what MtF people here generally think they are before mid-adolescence, the old tired flaming homosexual stereotype). It is not like legions will invade their space against their will.

[Tsiryli]

Without individuals, there can be no national sovereignty anyway. There can be no nation. There can be no state, no culture, no growth without individuals. And if you attack, oppress, demoralize, murder, slander, or otherwise diminish some or all of those individuals, those diminished will do everything in their power to take back what they lost.

Governments should be afraid of their people, and I want every government that allows such diminishing actions to continue to have enough fear in them to submit to their people.