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Should transgendered participate in sports if their sex is opposite the team?

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Lost heros
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:17 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Lost heros wrote:The LGBT is a Civil rights movement. What economic ramifications could you possibly be referring to?


He was upset about the money that it cost to sign the bill. Which is literally the first time I've ever heard that argument used.

That is just stupid.
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Postby Brissia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:18 pm

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I don't care; what I do care about is the capital that was involved in the passing of this bill. I'm pretty sure the taxpayers of California do as well.


What the hell does accommodation for trans* people have to do with the taxpayers of cali?

Being a taxpayer of California, I have absolutely no idea.
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Postby Len Hyet » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:18 pm

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I don't care; what I do care about is the capital that was involved in the passing of this bill. I'm pretty sure the taxpayers of California do as well.

If you care more about money than you do helping other people then something is clearly wrong.

Ugh, tell me about it. My parents support Ken K. For VA Governor. You know, the psycho. Why? Because the other guy is a liberal and clearly liberals don't know how to run an economy. Never mind he started and ran his own business.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:18 pm

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What a sorry piece of shit of a threadjack, really.


I don't care; what I do care about is the capital that was involved in the passing of this bill. I'm pretty sure the taxpayers of California do as well.


I think California can afford this sort of thing, and I'm pretty sure the taxpayers care more about the issue itself than its cost. Don't project your own agenda on everybody else.
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Postby Sommorragh » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:19 pm

Lost heros wrote:
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We don't live in 300BC anymore. Your sexuality is nobody's business and you're nothing special. You're history is irrelevant; what matters is the economic ramifications of your movement.

And that's the end of my threadjack.

The LGBT is a Civil rights movement. What economic ramifications could you possibly be referring to?


A possible shift in topics that gain presidency amongst voters, the detracting of Government focus from economic crisises, the money involved of passing such bills, shifts in workplace dynamics, companies pushing such agendas, etcetera.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:19 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
He was upset about the money that it cost to sign the bill. Which is literally the first time I've ever heard that argument used.

That is just stupid.

It's not just stupid...It's fucking frivolous.
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Postby Brissia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:19 pm

Liriena wrote:
Sommorragh wrote:
I don't care; what I do care about is the capital that was involved in the passing of this bill. I'm pretty sure the taxpayers of California do as well.


I think California can afford this sort of thing, and I'm pretty sure the taxpayers care more about the issue itself than its cost. Don't project your own agenda on everybody else.

California recently had it's budget enlarged, so your words are indeed correct.

EDIT: Actually, I'm not sure.
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Brissia wrote:I'm Jewish, so I guess I'll just stare at your windows, waving a menorah at Christmas Carolers.

But you won't because Hanukkah is at Thanksgiving.
Just imagine; "Friends, family, I'd just like to say before I cut the Turkey BARUCH ATA ADONAI..."

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Postby Vareiln » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:20 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Vareiln wrote:If you care more about money than you do helping other people then something is clearly wrong.

Ugh, tell me about it. My parents support Ken K. For VA Governor. You know, the psycho. Why? Because the other guy is a liberal and clearly liberals don't know how to run an economy. Never mind he started and ran his own business.

Oh god... Is that the guy who's against consensual anal sex?

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Postby Liriena » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:20 pm

Sommorragh wrote:
Lost heros wrote:The LGBT is a Civil rights movement. What economic ramifications could you possibly be referring to?


A possible shift in topics that gain presidency amongst voters, the detracting of Government focus from economic crisises, the money involved of passing such bills, shifts in workplace dynamics, companies pushing such agendas, etcetera.

Politicians and their voters can multitask.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:20 pm

Excellent!

Nice to see there are some places in the US willing to stand up for civil rights.
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Postby Brissia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:21 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Ugh, tell me about it. My parents support Ken K. For VA Governor. You know, the psycho. Why? Because the other guy is a liberal and clearly liberals don't know how to run an economy. Never mind he started and ran his own business.

Oh god... Is that the guy who's against consensual anal sex?

........I bet there's an interesting reason behind that....
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Brissia wrote:I'm Jewish, so I guess I'll just stare at your windows, waving a menorah at Christmas Carolers.

But you won't because Hanukkah is at Thanksgiving.
Just imagine; "Friends, family, I'd just like to say before I cut the Turkey BARUCH ATA ADONAI..."

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Postby Sommorragh » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
Lost heros wrote:That is just stupid.

It's not just stupid...It's fucking frivolous.


Yes, because personal finance is frivolous.

Though, I was unaware of California enlarging its budget.

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Postby Vareiln » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:22 pm

Liriena wrote:
Lost heros wrote:That is just stupid.

It's not just stupid...It's fucking frivolous.

Well, obviously it's because Sommoragh has an Eldar as their flag.
Clearly, this means the Dark Eldar are superior. :p

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Postby Vareiln » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:22 pm

Brissia wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Oh god... Is that the guy who's against consensual anal sex?

........I bet there's an interesting reason behind that....

Oh, no doubt.

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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:22 pm

Brissia wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Oh god... Is that the guy who's against consensual anal sex?

........I bet there's an interesting reason behind that....

"GODDAMN IT, JOHN!!! I told you that you need LUBE! Fuck this, fuck you, I'm going to make this illegal! OUCH."
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Postby Len Hyet » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:22 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Ugh, tell me about it. My parents support Ken K. For VA Governor. You know, the psycho. Why? Because the other guy is a liberal and clearly liberals don't know how to run an economy. Never mind he started and ran his own business.

Oh god... Is that the guy who's against consensual anal sex?

And oral
Speaking just as a straight guy, this is gonna kill couples who dont want to have sex yet. (Because teenagers aren't all stupid).
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Postby Valtakuntia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:22 pm

Well, since at this point, we've totally devolved from talking about sports at all, I am obligated to ask 2 things. 1. Would you care for some tea? And 2. Are you my mummy?

Mummy???
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Postby Len Hyet » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:22 pm

Valtakuntia wrote:Well, since at this point, we've totally devolved from talking about sports at all, I am obligated to ask 2 things. 1. Would you care for some tea? And 2. Are you my mummy?

Mummy???

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Postby Sommorragh » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:23 pm

Liriena wrote:
Sommorragh wrote:
A possible shift in topics that gain presidency amongst voters, the detracting of Government focus from economic crisises, the money involved of passing such bills, shifts in workplace dynamics, companies pushing such agendas, etcetera.

Politicians and their voters can multitask.


Aha, sometimes. But pandering is a thing, and many voters are (sadly) single issue people.

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Postby Grenartia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:23 pm

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The logic is that being transgender doesn't inherently qualify as a mental illness, though gender dysphoria is still classified as one, because it meets the criteria.


Source? The only thing I've found are objections to the phrase "gender identity disorder" was somehow stigmatizing.


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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:23 pm

Valtakuntia wrote:Well, since at this point, we've totally devolved from talking about sports at all, I am obligated to ask 2 things. 1. Would you care for some tea? And 2. Are you my mummy?

Mummy???

GO TO YOUR ROOM!
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:24 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:This bill is an absolute tran-vesty ( See what I did there?). But in all seriousness this bill is a bad idea. It would be better to just build transgender bathrooms. Seperate restrooms for each gender. Its unfair to men, and women. No offence, but I dont want to be using the same restroom as a transgender. Plus its unfair to people on sports teams.

We sexual minorities are not contagious, you know.

And if you are so hell scared of non-heterosexual people possibly looking at private parts of yours (what is hell unlikely) just don't use urinals. I used them showing my butt when I was 7 and looked at other guys still in a failing discrete way and no one cared. It is acceptable even for adult straight men do this with each other. Brazilian higher-than-lumpenproletariat young males see it as a perfectly non-gay sorta homoerotic male bonding, just like commenting on women with your best buddies or drawing porn or other things obscene, adopt these values and everyone will be fine.

A very small little bit of lavender on your blue or pink (depending on the time you've been born, female colors of today were once the male colors) won't harm. Even my boomer mom and X generation dad think that liking gaysex or having a very romantic bromance for once, twice or thrice won't make you necessarily gay for the rest of your live (the reason why I'm out of the closet for 6 years this January - since two weeks after my 13th birthday -, but they still don't take my bisexuality seriously since I never dated in meatspace and am still a virgin, then I tell them I will look up for men up to casual sex online but they remember me of old perverts and people who are just looking up for gay guys to hurt them because they're miserable... I sometimes think they are the smartest and most successful anti-gay parents ever, not making me think rebelling against them would be good for me because I wouldn't be rebelling in the first place, just risking harming myself), and that even if this happens it is a complete non-issue. Chill out.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:24 pm

Sommorragh wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's not just stupid...It's fucking frivolous.


Yes, because personal finance is frivolous.

Though, I was unaware of California enlarging its budget.


You still haven't explained how this affects the taxpayers

What, is there a trans* tax?
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Postby Brissia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:24 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Brissia wrote:........I bet there's an interesting reason behind that....

"GODDAMN IT, JOHN!!! I told you that you need LUBE! Fuck this, fuck you, I'm going to make this illegal! OUCH."

......yeah.....
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Brissia wrote:I'm Jewish, so I guess I'll just stare at your windows, waving a menorah at Christmas Carolers.

But you won't because Hanukkah is at Thanksgiving.
Just imagine; "Friends, family, I'd just like to say before I cut the Turkey BARUCH ATA ADONAI..."

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Postby Len Hyet » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:24 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Valtakuntia wrote:Well, since at this point, we've totally devolved from talking about sports at all, I am obligated to ask 2 things. 1. Would you care for some tea? And 2. Are you my mummy?

Mummy???

GO TO YOUR ROOM!

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