California Governor Signs Transgender Student Bill

[Grenartia]

I'm pretty sure the latest DSM makes your post everything but kosher.

Don't suppose you know the logic on that particular update?

The logic is that being transgender doesn't inherently qualify as a mental illness, though gender dysphoria is still classified as one, because it meets the criteria.

[Sommorragh]

I am a part of the LGBT be community for your information. I support my right to marry, but, I am against insane measures like this for transgendered people. Sometimes I don't understand why transgendered people are included in our community.

Because transgender people have always been part of the LGBT community. Their history and struggles took place side by side of gays, lesbians and bis. Even in ancient history, transgender and homosexual individuals were considered part of a special community, outside of the traditional gender binary, and were often revered for it.

We don't live in 300BC anymore. Your sexuality is nobody's business and you're nothing special. You're history is irrelevant; what matters is the economic ramifications of your movement.

And that's the end of my threadjack.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Plural Marriage, ROLL OUT

I'm... okay with this.

Hell, why not let everybody in? Orgy at Torc's place, NSG!

Whoa, there, pony.
Not everyone.
There are some people *looks around* that I don't trust near my vagina.

[Des-Bal]

I'm so confused.

YOU'RE in favor of racism, or you thought that I was? I was just saying that according to statistics on Wikipedia, the top 10 marathon runners of all time are all African. I never even stated that Africans were physically superior; I'm just saying that according to Wikipedia, they win marathon races more often than people of other races, and since we don't have a "white league" or anything like that (which we obviously shouldn't, that would be a terrible idea) we shouldn't have a "women's league" in anything, even if men routinely outperform them.

Just my two cents.

You appeared to be arguing that africans were physically superior, that's what prompted my involvement.

[Liriena]

I'm sure said problems can be handled without treating transgender people like shit.

It is a fact of life, you can't make everyone happy. Safety should always come first. If they want to go to the other bathroom so badly, then at least start HRT.

How about no? How about you give your fearmongering some thought of your own? Seriously think about what you intend to keep people 'safe' from: the few, if any, perverts that may be so determined to molest someont that they will be willing to go through the social hell that it is to pretend to be transgender just to get into an opposite gender's bathroom to do so.

Be realistic now... How many perverts of this sort do you think could exist? How many do you think would rather do something as needlessly complicated and dangerous, when so many rapists these days get away with simple opportunism?

Are you willing to condemn thousands, if not millions of transgender people to public humilliation and potential physical and emotional harm, to protect people from such an unlikely sort of criminal?

Whatever it is you are smoking, start sharing.

[Brissia]

I'm... okay with this.

Hell, why not let everybody in? Orgy at Torc's place, NSG!

Whoa, there, pony.
Not everyone.
There are some people *looks around* that I don't trust near my vagina.

WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP

[Saint Kitten]

Another step forward to equality for all

[Anachronous Rex]

I'm... okay with this.

Hell, why not let everybody in? Orgy at Torc's place, NSG!

Whoa, there, pony.
Not everyone.
There are some people *looks around* that I don't trust near my vagina.

Don't worry, we'll just mention that there are trans people there. They'll keep themselves out.

[Liriena]

I'm pretty sure the latest DSM makes your post everything but kosher.

Don't suppose you know the logic on that particular update?

My memory is murky at best.

[Liriena]

Because transgender people have always been part of the LGBT community. Their history and struggles took place side by side of gays, lesbians and bis. Even in ancient history, transgender and homosexual individuals were considered part of a special community, outside of the traditional gender binary, and were often revered for it.

We don't live in 300BC anymore. Your sexuality is nobody's business and you're nothing special. You're history is irrelevant; what matters is the economic ramifications of your movement.

And that's the end of my threadjack.

What a sorry piece of shit of a threadjack, really.

[Des-Bal]

The logic is that being transgender doesn't inherently qualify as a mental illness, though gender dysphoria is still classified as one, because it meets the criteria.

Source? The only thing I've found are objections to the phrase "gender identity disorder" was somehow stigmatizing.

[Len Hyet]

Okay, let me rephrase something you don't seem to understand.
I, that being me.
Am not against, in agreement with
Transgender rights.

That clear enough for you? You did in fact attack me personally, several times. And I'm sick of it.

But you're against this bill?

And source my attack.

I'm saying this bill was ill thought out. That's it.

Oh shit.
Oh my god I'm so sorry.
Oh god oh my god.

I'm so so sorry. I just realized it was someone else who attaked me. I'm on my iphone and it was really hard for me to tell. Oh my god I'm so sorry. Please accept my deepest apologies for this misunderstanding.

[Grenartia]

It is a fact of life, you can't make everyone happy. Safety should always come first. If they want to go to the other bathroom so badly, then at least start HRT.

How about no? How about you give your fearmongering some thought of your own? Seriously think about what you intend to keep people 'safe' from: the few, if any, perverts that may be so determined to molest someont that they will be willing to go through the social hell that it is to pretend to be transgender just to get into an opposite gender's bathroom to do so.

Be realistic now... How many perverts of this sort do you think could exist? How many do you think would rather do something as needlessly complicated and dangerous, when so many rapists these days get away with simple opportunism?

Are you willing to condemn thousands, if not millions of transgender people to public humilliation and potential physical and emotional harm, to protect people from such an unlikely sort of criminal?

Whatever it is you are smoking, start sharing.

This. So much.

[Valtakuntia]

I'm so confused.

YOU'RE in favor of racism, or you thought that I was? I was just saying that according to statistics on Wikipedia, the top 10 marathon runners of all time are all African. I never even stated that Africans were physically superior; I'm just saying that according to Wikipedia, they win marathon races more often than people of other races, and since we don't have a "white league" or anything like that (which we obviously shouldn't, that would be a terrible idea) we shouldn't have a "women's league" in anything, even if men routinely outperform them.

Just my two cents.

You appeared to be arguing that africans were physically superior, that's what prompted my involvement.

Oh.

Well, sorry. That's not what I meant.

[Des-Bal]

My memory is murky at best.

I've yet to see any medical basis for it, Gender Identity Disorder and Mental Retardation seem to have been reclassified for primarily political reasons.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

But you're against this bill?

And source my attack.

I'm saying this bill was ill thought out. That's it.

Oh shit.
Oh my god I'm so sorry.
Oh god oh my god.

I'm so so sorry. I just realized it was someone else who attaked me. I'm on my iphone and it was really hard for me to tell. Oh my god I'm so sorry. Please accept my deepest apologies for this misunderstanding.

Alright, but next time keep ya' cool.

[Lost heros]

It is a fact of life, you can't make everyone happy. Safety should always come first. If they want to go to the other bathroom so badly, then at least start HRT.

How about no? How about you give your fearmongering some thought of your own? Seriously think about what you intend to keep people 'safe' from: the few, if any, perverts that may be so determined to molest someont that they will be willing to go through the social hell that it is to pretend to be transgender just to get into an opposite gender's bathroom to do so.

Be realistic now... How many perverts of this sort do you think could exist? How many do you think would rather do something as needlessly complicated and dangerous, when so many rapists these days get away with simple opportunism?

Are you willing to condemn thousands, if not millions of transgender people to public humilliation and potential physical and emotional harm, to protect people from such an unlikely sort of criminal?

Whatever it is you are smoking, start sharing.

+2 for Liri

[Sommorragh]

We don't live in 300BC anymore. Your sexuality is nobody's business and you're nothing special. You're history is irrelevant; what matters is the economic ramifications of your movement.

And that's the end of my threadjack.

What a sorry piece of shit of a threadjack, really.

I don't care; what I do care about is the capital that was involved in the passing of this bill. I'm pretty sure the taxpayers of California do as well.

[Len Hyet]

I'm saying this bill was ill thought out. That's it.

Oh shit.
Oh my god I'm so sorry.
Oh god oh my god.

I'm so so sorry. I just realized it was someone else who attaked me. I'm on my iphone and it was really hard for me to tell. Oh my god I'm so sorry. Please accept my deepest apologies for this misunderstanding.

Alright, but next time keep ya' cool.

I am very sorry, it's like 1:30 AM here and I'm on my iphone and I didn't realize.

[Neoconstantius]

Another step forward to equality for all

Sure, one small step on an endless sidewalk. "Equality for all" is an admirable aspiration, but entirely unattainable. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards a more equitable society, but having delusions of a grand egalitarian utopia where no one will be oppressed is not at all based in reality.

[Lost heros]

Because transgender people have always been part of the LGBT community. Their history and struggles took place side by side of gays, lesbians and bis. Even in ancient history, transgender and homosexual individuals were considered part of a special community, outside of the traditional gender binary, and were often revered for it.

We don't live in 300BC anymore. Your sexuality is nobody's business and you're nothing special. You're history is irrelevant; what matters is the economic ramifications of your movement.

And that's the end of my threadjack.

The LGBT is a Civil rights movement. What economic ramifications could you possibly be referring to?

[Vareiln]

What a sorry piece of shit of a threadjack, really.

I don't care; what I do care about is the capital that was involved in the passing of this bill. I'm pretty sure the taxpayers of California do as well.

If you care more about money than you do helping other people then something is clearly wrong.

[Des-Bal]

The LGBT is a Civil rights movement. What economic ramifications could you possibly be referring to?

He was upset about the money that it cost to sign the bill. Which is literally the first time I've ever heard that argument used.

[Liriena]

My memory is murky at best.

I've yet to see any medical basis for it, Gender Identity Disorder and Mental Retardation seem to have been reclassified for primarily political reasons.

IIRC, GID was re-denominated, not only because it was considered stigmatizing, but also because it was confusing to some, easy to associate or equate with transgenderism in general.

[Blasveck]

What a sorry piece of shit of a threadjack, really.

I don't care; what I do care about is the capital that was involved in the passing of this bill. I'm pretty sure the taxpayers of California do as well.

What the hell does accommodation for trans* people have to do with the taxpayers of cali?