California Governor Signs Transgender Student Bill

[Vareiln]

I don't know about too much about transgenders, either ways

If you ever want to know more, there's plenty of resources on the internet, and I'd be more than happy to direct you to the better ones.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

I don't know about too much about transgenders, either ways

Crash course:
By no fault of their own, or their parents, or anyone else's (unless you believe in God, then it's totally His fault), they feel that the body they were born with is wrong. Some of them feel they need to be the opposite gender, some people feel they need to be both genders, some people feel they need to be no genders. This isn't about femininity or masculinity, there is some sort of weird drive in each of us that makes us feel like a certain type of person. it's not reversible. it's not a disease. it's not wrong.
These people are discriminated against to the max. They are ridiculed, beaten, raped, murdered, denied employment and housing, and thrown out of their family. Add on top of this the feelings they feel just by existing in a society that doesn't acknowledge their existence. What bathrooms are they allowed to use? What teams are they allowed to play on? Where can they get help?
This bill is a break in their storm, giving them the right to be a little more okay with who they are, and be able to enter whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable using, and to be able to play on whatever team they feel most comfortable playing on.

[Des-Bal]

How so?

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/preach+to+the+choir

Many people here disagree with me and say that sports should be sex or gender-segregated. I'm saying that sports should be segregated based on skill level. There should be no WNBA, just as there should be no MNBA, which there isn't.

In the sense that I am the choir and you are directing your comments at the wrong person.

[Brissia]

1. I am deeply sorry for accidentally misgendering.

2. I.......I really didn't expect that from the human race.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see a post like this.

I am unpleasantly surprised by the information on that web page. Are human beings really low enough to harass transgenders just because they are transgenders!?

[Vareiln]

I don't know about too much about transgenders, either ways

Crash course:
By no fault of their own, or their parents, or anyone else's (unless you believe in God, then it's totally His fault), they feel that the body they were born with is wrong. Some of them feel they need to be the opposite gender, some people feel they need to be both genders, some people feel they need to be no genders. This isn't about femininity or masculinity, there is some sort of weird drive in each of us that makes us feel like a certain type of person. it's not reversible. it's not a disease. it's not wrong.
These people are discriminated against to the max. They are ridiculed, beaten, raped, murdered, denied employment and housing, and thrown out of their family. Add on top of this the feelings they feel just by existing in a society that doesn't acknowledge their existence. What bathrooms are they allowed to use? What teams are they allowed to play on? Where can they get help?
This bill is a break in their storm, giving them the right to be a little more okay with who they are, and be able to enter whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable using, and to be able to play on whatever team they feel most comfortable playing on.

This is the gist of it, yeah.
Thanks, Torc.

[Rosov]

While this is a step towards equality, I can foresee it having problems. (As stated by several others)

[Anachronous Rex]

I don't know about too much about transgenders, either ways

Crash course:
By no fault of their own, or their parents, or anyone else's (unless you believe in God, then it's totally His fault), they feel that the body they were born with is wrong. Some of them feel they need to be the opposite gender, some people feel they need to be both genders, some people feel they need to be no genders. This isn't about femininity or masculinity, there is some sort of weird drive in each of us that makes us feel like a certain type of person. it's not reversible. it's not a disease. it's not wrong.
These people are discriminated against to the max. They are ridiculed, beaten, raped, murdered, denied employment and housing, and thrown out of their family. Add on top of this the feelings they feel just by existing in a society that doesn't acknowledge their existence. What bathrooms are they allowed to use? What teams are they allowed to play on? Where can they get help?
This bill is a break in their storm, giving them the right to be a little more okay with who they are, and be able to enter whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable using, and to be able to play on whatever team they feel most comfortable playing on.

Marry me.

[Des-Bal]

I am unpleasantly surprised by the information on that web page. Are human beings really low enough to harass transgenders just because they are transgenders!?

Is this the first time you've been in the world? You're going to lose your shit when you hear about the holocaust.

[Vareiln]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see a post like this.

I am unpleasantly surprised by the information on that web page. Are human beings really low enough to harass transgenders just because they are transgenders!?

You have no idea.

[Liriena]

I don't know about too much about transgenders, either ways

Crash course:
By no fault of their own, or their parents, or anyone else's (unless you believe in God, then it's totally His fault), they feel that the body they were born with is wrong. Some of them feel they need to be the opposite gender, some people feel they need to be both genders, some people feel they need to be no genders. This isn't about femininity or masculinity, there is some sort of weird drive in each of us that makes us feel like a certain type of person. it's not reversible. it's not a disease. it's not wrong.
These people are discriminated against to the max. They are ridiculed, beaten, raped, murdered, denied employment and housing, and thrown out of their family. Add on top of this the feelings they feel just by existing in a society that doesn't acknowledge their existence. What bathrooms are they allowed to use? What teams are they allowed to play on? Where can they get help?
This bill is a break in their storm, giving them the right to be a little more okay with who they are, and be able to enter whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable using, and to be able to play on whatever team they feel most comfortable playing on.

You are a saint.

[Blasveck]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see a post like this.

I am unpleasantly surprised by the information on that web page. Are human beings really low enough to harass transgenders just because they are transgenders!?

Hon, where have you been for the whole of human history.

Minorities have always been discriminated against.

[Grenartia]

1. Referring to somebody with the wrong pronouns.

2. Read this: http://www.thetaskforce.org/reports_and_research/ntds

Then tell me that with

1. I am deeply sorry for accidentally misgendering.

2. I.......I really didn't expect that from the human race.

1. Its ok, now. Just as long as you're not willfully ignorant.

2. Yeah. Its pretty fucking depressing.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see a post like this.

I am unpleasantly surprised by the information on that web page. Are human beings really low enough to harass transgenders just because they are transgenders!?

Indeed. And even moreso if they're an ethnic minority.

[Screensaver]

While this is a step towards equality, I can foresee it having problems. (As stated by several others)

I see nothing but future problems.

[Brissia]

I am unpleasantly surprised by the information on that web page. Are human beings really low enough to harass transgenders just because they are transgenders!?

Is this the first time you've been in the world? You're going to lose your shit when you hear about the holocaust.

I am a Jew, and I know perfectly well of the Holocaust. But sheesh, that under a fascist authoritarian regime!!!

[Len Hyet]

No, I didn't, and no, I'm not.
I said "hardly an epidemic" which bluntly means that 13 American Transgenders were murdered out of the thousands total. Noticeably absent was a source that they were murdered for being transgendered.

I'm not saying there isn't a struggle I'm saying your source was bad. And if you can't take that then you don't belong on the Internet.

How many? Okay, fuck it. And more importantly, fuck your self righteous idiocy. At NO point did I EVER say that I don't care about transgendered people. HOW DARE YOU insinuate that I don't value every humans life equally. So how about you get off your high horse.

If you can't conduct yourself with even the slightest degree of civility then I'm through debating you. In fact, this stopped being a debate a long time ago, and turned into a series of unnecessary personal attacks by you.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/reports_and_research/ntds

Read the report.

I did
Discrimination is a thing and it sucks. It happens and it shouldn't. But I'm not going to let some self righteous prick demean me and my morals because they can't get it through their thick skull that I'm not against transgender rights.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

You are denying the rights of trans* people, and claiming that their struggles are not important because "not many" are murdered. That in itself if transphobic.
So, how many murdered trans* people would with take to convince you that their rights and lives matter?

No, I didn't, and no, I'm not.
I said "hardly an epidemic" which bluntly means that 13 American Transgenders were murdered out of the thousands total. Noticeably absent was a source that they were murdered for being transgendered.

I'm not saying there isn't a struggle I'm saying your source was bad. And if you can't take that then you don't belong on the Internet.

How many? Okay, fuck it. And more importantly, fuck your self righteous idiocy. At NO point did I EVER say that I don't care about transgendered people. HOW DARE YOU insinuate that I don't value every humans life equally. So how about you get off your high horse.

If you can't conduct yourself with even the slightest degree of civility then I'm through debating you. In fact, this stopped being a debate a long time ago, and turned into a series of unnecessary personal attacks by you.

fuck your self righteous idiocy.

If you can't conduct yourself with even the slightest degree of civility

Please, be done with me. It will hurt so bad.

[Blasveck]

I don't know about too much about transgenders, either ways

Crash course:
By no fault of their own, or their parents, or anyone else's (unless you believe in God, then it's totally His fault), they feel that the body they were born with is wrong. Some of them feel they need to be the opposite gender, some people feel they need to be both genders, some people feel they need to be no genders. This isn't about femininity or masculinity, there is some sort of weird drive in each of us that makes us feel like a certain type of person. it's not reversible. it's not a disease. it's not wrong.
These people are discriminated against to the max. They are ridiculed, beaten, raped, murdered, denied employment and housing, and thrown out of their family. Add on top of this the feelings they feel just by existing in a society that doesn't acknowledge their existence. What bathrooms are they allowed to use? What teams are they allowed to play on? Where can they get help?
This bill is a break in their storm, giving them the right to be a little more okay with who they are, and be able to enter whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable using, and to be able to play on whatever team they feel most comfortable playing on.

Can I just say I love you right now, Torc?

[Liriena]

While this is a step towards equality, I can foresee it having problems. (As stated by several others)

I see nothing but future problems.

I'm sure said problems can be handled without treating transgender people like shit.

[Brissia]

I am unpleasantly surprised by the information on that web page. Are human beings really low enough to harass transgenders just because they are transgenders!?

Hon, where have you been for the whole of human history.

Minorities have always been discriminated against.

The whole concept of transgenders is fairly new to me, actually.

[Lost heros]

I don't know about too much about transgenders, either ways

Crash course:
By no fault of their own, or their parents, or anyone else's (unless you believe in God, then it's totally His fault), they feel that the body they were born with is wrong. Some of them feel they need to be the opposite gender, some people feel they need to be both genders, some people feel they need to be no genders. This isn't about femininity or masculinity, there is some sort of weird drive in each of us that makes us feel like a certain type of person. it's not reversible. it's not a disease. it's not wrong.
These people are discriminated against to the max. They are ridiculed, beaten, raped, murdered, denied employment and housing, and thrown out of their family. Add on top of this the feelings they feel just by existing in a society that doesn't acknowledge their existence. What bathrooms are they allowed to use? What teams are they allowed to play on? Where can they get help?
This bill is a break in their storm, giving them the right to be a little more okay with who they are, and be able to enter whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable using, and to be able to play on whatever team they feel most comfortable playing on.

+1 to torc

[Valtakuntia]

How so?

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/preach+to+the+choir

Many people here disagree with me and say that sports should be sex or gender-segregated. I'm saying that sports should be segregated based on skill level. There should be no WNBA, just as there should be no MNBA, which there isn't.

In the sense that I am the choir and you are directing your comments at the wrong person.

I do apologize. I was under the impression that you were in favor of sex/gender-segregation in sports.

[Len Hyet]

No, I didn't, and no, I'm not.
I said "hardly an epidemic" which bluntly means that 13 American Transgenders were murdered out of the thousands total. Noticeably absent was a source that they were murdered for being transgendered.

I'm not saying there isn't a struggle I'm saying your source was bad. And if you can't take that then you don't belong on the Internet.

How many? Okay, fuck it. And more importantly, fuck your self righteous idiocy. At NO point did I EVER say that I don't care about transgendered people. HOW DARE YOU insinuate that I don't value every humans life equally. So how about you get off your high horse.

If you can't conduct yourself with even the slightest degree of civility then I'm through debating you. In fact, this stopped being a debate a long time ago, and turned into a series of unnecessary personal attacks by you.

fuck your self righteous idiocy.

If you can't conduct yourself with even the slightest degree of civility

Please, be done with me. It will hurt so bad.

You don't get it do you?
I'm not against transgender rights. I'm against you attacking me personally.

[Puzikas]

Transgender is a political and/or philosophical title for individuals who suffer from Gender Identity Dysphoria, which is the actual medical and physiological diagnosis of an individual feeling dysfunction between their identifying gender and their biological gender; without getting that diagnosis, you can't get sex reassignment.

The idea that people who can "self identify" themselves as gender A or B is absolutely insane in my opinion. Medically speaking, a person is defined as Male or Female based upon their DNA and, indeed, their genitalia. If you are born as an XY Chromosomal human being and have thee reproductive organs of a male, you are a male. If you are born an XX and have the reproductive organs of a Female, you are in fact a female. There are, naturally, infants born as hermaphrodites, which are a superstate of the two, existing with XX and XY Chromosomes and genitalia of both sexes. More often than not, however, it is caused from a weaker of two traits being expressed in conjunction with the dominant of the two, and in such situations, can be remedied.

[Des-Bal]

I am a Jew, and I know perfectly well of the Holocaust. But sheesh, that under a fascist authoritarian regime!!!

So you just hadn't heard of like lynching or anything? The fact that this isn't government sponsored means this is a step forward in the minority bashing front.

[Lost heros]

While this is a step towards equality, I can foresee it having problems. (As stated by several others)

What problems? Please list them so I can debunk them.