California Governor Signs Transgender Student Bill

[Christian Democrats]

Skin color is an external characteristic.

As is gender expression, which is dependent on gender identity.

Gender identity is mental. It is "an individual's self-conception as being male or female, as distinguished from actual biological sex."

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/228219/gender-identity

[Grenartia]

http://www.thetaskforce.org/reports_and_research/ntds

Read the report.



1. I am. And misgendering IS bigotry.

2. By advocating that trans* people should be made to use the restrooms that correspond with their sex, rather than gender.

1. You called me a fucking bigot. That's real civil.
2. What does that have anything to do with the horrible acts mentioned by you?

1. And misgendering is civil?

2. Because what your advocating inherently puts trans* people at an even higher risk (and their risk is already throught the fucking roof, compared to the rest of the population) of being victims of those acts.

[Brissia]

Because it deals with the physical characteristics, not mental.

Please understand that I am NOT against transgenders.

Yes, because you obviously know everyone's genitals.
Great way to show you're not transphobic.

This is all in the case that a sex change didn't happen. If it did, than I'm bumfuzzled.

[Vareiln]

I look forward to seeing other places follow California's lead on this particular matter.

And I look forward to the day when people will open their eyes to reason and reverse crazy decisions like this.

I look forward to the day when people like you will actually be humans for once and experience that one magical thing in the human experience: empathy.

[Liriena]

I'm pretty sure most male restrooms also have toilets you can sit on, so...yeah...either you live in a parallel reality or you're lying your ass off.

and there's a chance they'll have to wait longer or cause other people to wait, as there are fewer toilets in a mens' restroom.

Apologies.

[Blasveck]

You are denying the rights of trans* people, and claiming that their struggles are not important because "not many" are murdered. That in itself if transphobic.
So, how many murdered trans* people would with take to convince you that their rights and lives matter?

Silly Torc, everyone knows trans people like me don't deserve rights.

Silly Var.

You should know that none of us LGBT people deserve rights.

[Des-Bal]

How the fuck us this crazy?

It doesn't even affect you...

Uganda's kill the gays bill didn't effect me either but I still kind of cared.

[Vareiln]

Yea, because this is a good idea.

I dont know about the rest of the men in the world, but as a teenager I was willing to do just about anything to see a girl nude (we didn't have this fancy-smancy internet when I was a lad), and lord knows if it meant acting like a transsexual for about 45 minutes so I could go to the girls locker room, so be it.

When people make laws, they seem to forget the basic factor in why laws are even made: Human nature. I see this as...well, I see this as that. People forgetting Human Nature exists.

I'm not even going to touch this one... I just can't.
Someone else want to take a shot at it?

[Brissia]

1. You called me a fucking bigot. That's real civil.
2. What does that have anything to do with the horrible acts mentioned by you?

1. And misgendering is civil?

2. Because what your advocating inherently puts trans* people at an even higher risk (and their risk is already throught the fucking roof, compared to the rest of the population) of being victims of those acts.

1. Please identify 'misgendering'.

2. What in the world are you talking about?

[Screensaver]

And I look forward to the day when people will open their eyes to reason and reverse crazy decisions like this.

I look forward to the day when people like you will actually be humans for once and experience that one magical thing in the human experience: empathy.

I hate being a human. Personally, at times I see myself as being above a human. Humanity is sad and I don't like being a human.

[Liriena]

I look forward to seeing other places follow California's lead on this particular matter.

And I look forward to the day when people will open their eyes to reason and reverse crazy decisions like this.

Not gonna happen. LGBT rights have quite the momentum, and the scientific community (and quiet a few judges and lawyers) backs them.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

I'm pretty sure most male restrooms also have toilets you can sit on, so...yeah...either you live in a parallel reality or you're lying your ass off.

We usually only get 2 or 3 toilets to sit on. Those are usually occupied by guys taken their sweet time to take a dump.

And it's impossible for a FtM transboy to wait for them to finish shitting?
Actually, the head teacher I worked with at the school was talking to me about how she taught herself to be able to use urinals, and if the woman's restroom was occupied, she could go to the men's bathroom and use that.

[Grenartia]

As is gender expression, which is dependent on gender identity.

Gender identity is mental. It is "an individual's self-conception as being male or female, as distinguished from actual biological sex."

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/228219/gender-identity

I'm more than fully aware. HOWEVER. Gender expression is physical, and external. It is, for the intents and purposes of this discussion, no different than skin color.

[Christian Democrats]

It's his OP?

And yet he's hardly even discussed his own OP.

If you've read through the thread, I left to work out soon after I posted the OP.

Now, it's almost time for me to go to sleep . . .

[Des-Bal]

I'm not even going to touch this one... I just can't.
Someone else want to take a shot at it?

I will, he's completely fucking right.

[Napkiraly]

Girls can be freaking tough and awesome at football.

I'm not coordinated and I'm a big priss and scared of being hit, but if I wasn't I would have totally gone for it.

Best way to get over the fear of being hit is being tackled a few times. Well, it worked for me anyway. Coordination can always be improved.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

1. And misgendering is civil?

2. Because what your advocating inherently puts trans* people at an even higher risk (and their risk is already throught the fucking roof, compared to the rest of the population) of being victims of those acts.

1. Please identify 'misgendering'.

2. What in the world are you talking about?

Calling a Transwoman a boy and calling a Transman a girl.

[Liriena]

As is gender expression, which is dependent on gender identity.

Gender identity is mental. It is "an individual's self-conception as being male or female, as distinguished from actual biological sex."

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/228219/gender-identity

Should I be shocked.

Not gonna happen. LGBT rights have quite the momentum, and the scientific community (and quiet a few judges and lawyers) backs them.

I back LGB rights. I fit in that category actually. Not so much T.

Because...?

[Vareiln]

Silly Torc, everyone knows trans people like me don't deserve rights.

Silly Var.

You should know that none of us LGBT people deserve rights.

Damn gays, stinking up the place with their frilly clothes and lisps. Oh no, wait. I'm the one with the frilly clothes.
Well, at least there's still those damned men-hating feminist lesbians.

[Valtakuntia]

...And it isn't anywhere else?

Not as. Look at any activity and the records tend to be dominated by a few countries because those countries put serious value in it.

Then if you want to become really good at a sport, just put a lot of value into it. So, if you're a girl, and you put a lot of value into baseball, you can dominate boys at it. Nations in general do not force people to play a sport; if you want to be good at a sport, then actually spend time putting effort into it and do not settle for being one of the best "girls". That's called slacking. Again, if you want to be good at something, then actually practice it and don't whine about being "physically challenged" compared to men and claim that people with something else between their legs need a separate league. If there is a girl who's actually better at sports than some men, she should be able to compete against men. If there is a boy that isn't as good at sports as other men, then he should be able to join a lower league; which may or may not be mainly comprised of females.

[Brissia]

1. Please identify 'misgendering'.

2. What in the world are you talking about?

Calling a Transwoman a boy and calling a Transman a girl.

Thank you, good Sir. If I have, I am deeply sorry.

[Des-Bal]

Then if you want to become really good at a sport, just put a lot of value into it. So, if you're a girl, and you put a lot of value into baseball, you can dominate boys at it. Nations in general do not force people to play a sport; if you want to be good at a sport, then actually spend time putting effort into it and do not settle for being one of the best "girls". That's called slacking. Again, if you want to be good at something, then actually practice it and don't whine about being "physically challenged" compared to men and claim that people with something else between their legs need a separate league. If there is a girl who's actually better at sports than some men, she should be able to compete against men. If there is a boy that isn't as good at sports as other men, then he should be able to join a lower league; which may or may not be mainly comprised of females.

You're preaching to the choir.

[Liriena]

I look forward to the day when people like you will actually be humans for once and experience that one magical thing in the human experience: empathy.

I hate being a human. Personally, at times I see myself as being above a human. Humanity is sad and I don't like being a human.

What are you talking about? Humanity is awesome!

[Neoconstantius]

And what morals would that be pray tell?
Hm? At what point did I attack transgender people? At what point did I do anything besides say that this law was ill thought out?

You're attacking me for no reason, and to be frank it hurts me deeply that you would think of me so little. So please, rescind your unfounded accusations.

You are denying the rights of trans* people, and claiming that their struggles are not important because "not many" are murdered. That in itself if transphobic.
So, how many murdered trans* people would with take to convince you that their rights and lives matter?

If I may interject for a moment, because I think I initiated this line of discussion: all homicide is a tragedy for me, regardless of the circumstances. No one should be killed for being who they wish to be, or expressing an opinion, or any other factor. Being transgender does not devalue the intrinsic worth of a life in any way.

What I object to here are multiple posts which insinuate the presence of a "murder culture" towards transgender people, as if it is an endemic problem in the United States. It is not. The evidence is not there to support it. Are the few murders that are perpretrated against transgender people tragic? Yes. But is it an epidemic problem? No.

The problem is not the murders but the motivation behind the murders.

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And I look forward to the day when people will open their eyes to reason and reverse crazy decisions like this.

Not gonna happen. LGBT rights have quite the momentum, and the scientific community (and quiet a few judges and lawyers) backs them.

I am a part of the LGBT be community for your information. I support my right to marry, but, I am against insane measures like this for transgendered people. Sometimes I don't understand why transgendered people are included in our community.