California Governor Signs Transgender Student Bill

[Nation of Fortune]

If you are asking any trans person the answer is yes. I mean by your logic nigger is an acceptable term to call a black person.

Depends on the person yes.

And it is more like it is offensive to call a black person black. Now like another poster mentioned, if i am using something like "ladyboy" now that can be compared to a slur.

You can pretend it isn't a derogatory slur, but that doesn't change the facts.

[Souseiseki]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_ ... _structure

*shrug*

And the conclusion is ? (the article was a bit confusing and vague at best)

I'm almost afraid to ask. What is technically true?

They are both in a sense.

if most/all of the people you actually use it to refer to consider it a slur and tell you not to use it, is it a slur?

(yes)

If they are suffering from somekind of mental disorder, then i would hardly take it seriously.

(I know i am getting a bit offensive here, tell me when i cross the line and if i have already, don't bother)

How about you call her "she?"

That is for actual females

the conclusion is there are definitely things like where even without horomones MtFs brains are closer in many ways to females than males or have the expected qualities of a female brain instead of a male brain (same with FtMs) so its really not a purely "mental" thing (but we still don't have a concrete "cause")

[Free South Califas]

Congratulations, you now hold two conflicting idea. You've clearly demonstrated that you believe that women are able to compete with men, yet you simultaneously believe that women can't compete with transwomen (biological males). Please organize your thoughts.

Biological females cannot compete with biological males on a level playing field after puberty.

I don't holding any conflicting ideas on this issue.

You don't admit the existence of the various female kickers in American football, then? I don't remember any surnames but I remember the medium brown hair of the one named Katie from New Mexico...(sorry, I usually don't follow college sports)

[Christian Democrats]

Biological females cannot compete with biological males on a level playing field after puberty.

I don't holding any conflicting ideas on this issue.

You don't admit the existence of the various female kickers in American football, then? I don't remember any surnames but I remember the medium brown hair of the one named Katie from New Mexico...(sorry, I usually don't follow college sports)

I said I don't have a problem with people playing up.

13-year-olds playing in 15-year-old leagues
Girls playing in boys' leagues

[Ceannairceach]

And if the trans person in question is undergoing a sex change?

This act does not take sex changes into account.

Say it did.

[Liriena]

How about you call her "she?"

I was talking about biology, so I used "he" to refer to biological maleness.

When you say "biology", do you mean before or after HRT and SRS?

[Ceannairceach]

You don't admit the existence of the various female kickers in American football, then? I don't remember any surnames but I remember the medium brown hair of the one named Katie from New Mexico...(sorry, I usually don't follow college sports)

I said I don't have a problem with people playing up.

13-year-olds playing in 15-year-old leagues
Girls playing in boys' leagues

So you're being sexist and assuming all boys are better at girls than sports.

[Free South Califas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer
Please resign from Internet immediately. You cannot care for such delicate packets in such an aggressive state.

I think I'll stay here and fight for freedom from Social Justice Warriors and Tumblr. Please, if you feel the need to tell someone to leave an argument because you do not feel they are agreeing with you, I ask you calmly step away from your computer for a few minutes and return when you feel you can have a civil conversation.

I was kidding, but I probably got the tone wrong.

Civility includes acknowledging the existence of transgender and transsexual people, let alone genderqueer people, intersex people, two-spirit, third-gender and so forth. Policy must accommodate all of these things. If you advocate for policy to exclude people in the face of a whole Internet of biology and social science research, you're not being civil or arguing in good faith. Your argument, besides the fatal flaw of not considering that the 'Y' chromosome itself is a biological mutation, is uncivil because it is anti-trans. It is no better than presenting a viciously racist argument and asking the people you've just demeaned to be gentle in their criticism.

[Christian Democrats]

This act does not take sex changes into account.

Say it did.

If California law wants sports to be segregated based on sex and if it accepts sex changes as legitimate, MTFs should be permitted to play girls' sports in California after they undergo sex changes.

[Des-Bal]

So you're being sexist and assuming all boys are better at girls than sports.

It doesn't need to be universal, just the norm.

[Liriena]

How about you call her "she?"

That is for actual females

Oh, please!

[Ceannairceach]

So you're being sexist and assuming all boys are better at girls than sports.

It doesn't need to be universal, just the norm.

You know, this would be solved very quickly if we simply had integrated sports, with tiers that one was placed in based on ability.

[Christian Democrats]

I said I don't have a problem with people playing up.

13-year-olds playing in 15-year-old leagues
Girls playing in boys' leagues

So you're being sexist and assuming all boys are better at girls than sports.

Most boys are better than most girls at most sports.

Thus, the division based on sex in sports -- to give females an equal chance to succeed.

[Liriena]

You don't admit the existence of the various female kickers in American football, then? I don't remember any surnames but I remember the medium brown hair of the one named Katie from New Mexico...(sorry, I usually don't follow college sports)

I said I don't have a problem with people playing up.

13-year-olds playing in 15-year-old leagues
Girls playing in boys' leagues

But MtF girls playing in girls' leagues is a no-no...because you are certain that your generalization holds some water.

[Des-Bal]

You know, this would be solved very quickly if we simply had integrated sports, with tiers that one was placed in based on ability.

Yup. But presuming boys are naturally more athletic there would still be an imbalance.

[Solarys]

You can pretend it isn't a derogatory slur, but that doesn't change the facts.

You can pretend that it is. Doesn't change the fact that it isn't.

See how easy it is ?

the conclusion is there are definitely things like where even without horomones MtFs brains are closer in many ways to females than males or have the expected qualities of a female brain instead of a male brain (same with FtMs) so its really not a purely "mental" thing (but we still don't have a concrete "cause")

so like i said vague at best.

[Liriena]

You know, this would be solved very quickly if we simply had integrated sports, with tiers that one was placed in based on ability.

Yup. But presuming boys are naturally more athletic there would still be an imbalance.

They keyword is presuming.

[Liriena]

You can pretend it isn't a derogatory slur, but that doesn't change the facts.

You can pretend that it is. Doesn't change the fact that it isn't.

See how easy it is ?

the conclusion is there are definitely things like where even without horomones MtFs brains are closer in many ways to females than males or have the expected qualities of a female brain instead of a male brain (same with FtMs) so its really not a purely "mental" thing (but we still don't have a concrete "cause")

so like i said vague at best.

1. It's not as easy as it is childish.

2. Do not misuse the word "vague", please.

[Solarys]

Yup. But presuming boys are naturally more athletic there would still be an imbalance.

They keyword is presuming.

It is generally true. We go by the norm, not the exceptions.

[Nation of Fortune]

I'm not sure how that relates to what I said.

You're saying the poor can just suffer, it's okay for the system to exclude them because they already have problems.

I'm not saying it's ok, but I am saying it happens. If people are in such dire need that they can't save $20 over two months they have bigger issues to deal with. Feeling content and happy with your body is good, but I would say above all the basics of survival are a priority. Shelter, food, water, these are necessary for life. Once these basic needs are met, then concerns as to mental health become relevant. Like I said, if someone cannot afford such a minimal time and monetary commitment they have bigger issues.

[Solarys]

1. It's not as easy as it is childish.

2. Do not misuse the word "vague", please.

1) Being accurate is childish now ?

2) Maybe look up the definition of vague ?

[Liriena]

They keyword is presuming.

It is generally true. We go by the norm, not the exceptions.

Source, please.

[Solarys]

It is generally true. We go by the norm, not the exceptions.

Source, please.

Source for how males are generally better in females in most sports ? Really ?


Let us go my muscle mass, physical strength, bone strength for a few shall we ?

[Lithosano]

Source, please.

Source for how males are generally better in females in most sports ? Really ?
Let us go my muscle mass, physical strength, bone strength for a few shall we ?

Yes.

No. That's not a source. Actual sources. Now.

[Liriena]

1. It's not as easy as it is childish.

2. Do not misuse the word "vague", please.

1) Being accurate is childish now ?

2) Maybe look up the definition of vague ?

1. You weren't being accurate.

2. I know the definition of vague. The article itself is not vague. It's merely asserting how dubious current hypothesis regarding the origins of transgender people are.