California Governor Signs Transgender Student Bill

[Des-Bal]

I can see how he got confused - (machetes and) red stars are common symbols for (revolutionary) socialists of various stripes.

I'm aware, that's why it's ironic.

[Souseiseki]

'Degrade'

So, Solarys, what's your opinion on "he-shes", "ladyboys", "fairies" or whatever vile phrases you use to discriminate against them?

Notice i never used "ladyboys" and fairies are supposed to be those mythical creatures.

My opinion ? If it is something like a mental disorder or something, they need professional help. In the case that i am wrong and it is something like sexuality, then i don't know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_ ... _structure

*shrug*

[Blekksprutia]

GAAAAAH!

Gender identity Means that that is their gender! That means that they are playing sports with the same sex !

Sex is physical.

But these people don't use their sex as their gender!

[Nation of Fortune]

Being trans* myself and broke, I think you are overestimating the costs of seeing a mental health professional. I pay no more than $20 a month every other month see a mental health care professional. If I even pay that much. Many of them are willing to work with you financially. Now when I can afford it I will gladly pay them more.

Being broke and surrounded by the completely fucking broke even that much money and time commitment isn't negligible.

I know it's not, but if a student's parents are having that much problems financially I have a feeling that student has more on their mind then which bathroom they use. Things like "What am I going to eat?"

[Solarys]

Depends on who you ask.

If you are asking any trans person the answer is yes. I mean by your logic nigger is an acceptable term to call a black person.

Depends on the person yes.

And it is more like it is offensive to call a black person black. Now like another poster mentioned, if i am using something like "ladyboy" now that can be compared to a slur.

[Free South Califas]

Ah.


So you're an ironic communist ?

No I'm a libertarian and my country is radically libertarian the fact they're flag looks communist and they're behavior looks fascist is ironic.

There exist a number of libertarian Communists, you know. There's a relatively large party for that exact thing in NSG Senate, even. (points to sig)

[Lithosano]

Not regarding this. "he/she" denotes that either could be the case, and is used when the writer honestly doesn't know and doesn't wish to offend the party in question. "he-she" denotes that the party in question is both or otherwise a combination of the two.

Technically true.

I'm almost afraid to ask. What is technically true?

[Christian Democrats]

The slash and hyphen can be used interchangeably in most contexts.

Example:

08/13/13
08-13-13


If they were "normal," gender dysphoria would not be considered a medical disorder.

Not regarding this. "he/she" denotes that either could be the case, and is used when the writer honestly doesn't know and doesn't wish to offend the party in question. "he-she" denotes that the party in question is both or otherwise a combination of the two.

That is the case. A person who is a physical male (he) with a female gender identity (she).

Do you want me to use "xe" and "xem" (or "xer")?

[Souseiseki]

If you are asking any trans person the answer is yes. I mean by your logic nigger is an acceptable term to call a black person.

Depends on the person yes.

And it is more like it is offensive to call a black person black. Now like another poster mentioned, if i am using something like "ladyboy" now that can be compared to a slur.

if most/all of the people you actually use it to refer to consider it a slur and tell you not to use it, is it a slur?

(yes)

[Lithosano]

Not regarding this. "he/she" denotes that either could be the case, and is used when the writer honestly doesn't know and doesn't wish to offend the party in question. "he-she" denotes that the party in question is both or otherwise a combination of the two.

That is the case. A person who is a physical male (he) with a female gender identity (she).

Do you want me to use "xe" and "xem" (or "xer")?

How about you call her "she?"

[Ceannairceach]

Not regarding this. "he/she" denotes that either could be the case, and is used when the writer honestly doesn't know and doesn't wish to offend the party in question. "he-she" denotes that the party in question is both or otherwise a combination of the two.

That is the case. A person who is a physical male (he) with a female gender identity (she).

Do you want me to use "xe" and "xem" (or "xer")?

No, that isn't the case. Gender pronouns are just that; gender based, disregarding sex.

No, I expect you to not be an ass about something you were wrong about.

[Christian Democrats]

Sex is physical.

But these people don't use their sex as their gender!

But their sex should be used to determine which sports they play since sports are physical.

[Souseiseki]

Not regarding this. "he/she" denotes that either could be the case, and is used when the writer honestly doesn't know and doesn't wish to offend the party in question. "he-she" denotes that the party in question is both or otherwise a combination of the two.

That is the case. A person who is a physical male (he) with a female gender identity (she).

Do you want me to use "xe" and "xem" (or "xer")?

list of pronouns in order of presumed preference:

1. she
2. they
3. whatever ze hir xey stuff they make up

[Des-Bal]

I know it's not, but if a student's parents are having that much problems financially I have a feeling that student has more on their mind then which bathroom they use. Things like "What am I going to eat?"

I'm entirely comfortable saying fuck the poor, most people aren't.

[Ceannairceach]

But these people don't use their sex as their gender!

But their sex should be used to determine which sports they play since sports are physical.

And if the trans person in question is undergoing a sex change?

[Des-Bal]

No I'm a libertarian and my country is radically libertarian the fact they're flag looks communist and they're behavior looks fascist is ironic.

There exist a number of libertarian Communists, you know. There's a relatively large party for that exact thing in NSG Senate, even. (points to sig)[/quote]
A subject for a different thread.

[Blekksprutia]

But these people don't use their sex as their gender!

But their sex should be used to determine which sports they play since sports are physical.

False analogy. You're using a different definition of physical. Sports are physical as in there's physical contact, sex is physical as in there is a physical difference between male and female genitals.

[Christian Democrats]

That is the case. A person who is a physical male (he) with a female gender identity (she).

Do you want me to use "xe" and "xem" (or "xer")?

How about you call her "she?"

I was talking about biology, so I used "he" to refer to biological maleness.

[Ceannairceach]

But their sex should be used to determine which sports they play since sports are physical.

False analogy. You're using a different definition of physical. Sports are physical as in there's physical contact, sex is physical as in there is a physical difference between male and female genitals.

No, don't go there. One's biological sex does have physiological differences. But whether those should matter in regards to segregated sports is up to debate.

[Nation of Fortune]

I know it's not, but if a student's parents are having that much problems financially I have a feeling that student has more on their mind then which bathroom they use. Things like "What am I going to eat?"

I'm entirely comfortable saying fuck the poor, most people aren't.

I'm not sure how that relates to what I said.

[Free South Califas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_politics

This can't really be that hard?

I'd back away.

As they say in my hood, "Good looking out, homes."

[Solarys]

Notice i never used "ladyboys" and fairies are supposed to be those mythical creatures.

My opinion ? If it is something like a mental disorder or something, they need professional help. In the case that i am wrong and it is something like sexuality, then i don't know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_ ... _structure

*shrug*

And the conclusion is ? (the article was a bit confusing and vague at best)

Technically true.

I'm almost afraid to ask. What is technically true?

They are both in a sense.

Depends on the person yes.

And it is more like it is offensive to call a black person black. Now like another poster mentioned, if i am using something like "ladyboy" now that can be compared to a slur.

if most/all of the people you actually use it to refer to consider it a slur and tell you not to use it, is it a slur?

(yes)

If they are suffering from somekind of mental disorder, then i would hardly take it seriously.

(I know i am getting a bit offensive here, tell me when i cross the line and if i have already, don't bother)

That is the case. A person who is a physical male (he) with a female gender identity (she).

Do you want me to use "xe" and "xem" (or "xer")?

How about you call her "she?"

That is for actual females

[Des-Bal]

I'm not sure how that relates to what I said.

You're saying the poor can just suffer, it's okay for the system to exclude them because they already have problems.

[Christian Democrats]

But their sex should be used to determine which sports they play since sports are physical.

And if the trans person in question is undergoing a sex change?

This act does not take sex changes into account.

But their sex should be used to determine which sports they play since sports are physical.

False analogy. You're using a different definition of physical. Sports are physical as in there's physical contact, sex is physical as in there is a physical difference between male and female genitals.

None of which has anything to do with one's self-described gender.

[Free South Califas]

I love how everyone assumes a high schooler is so perfectly capable of sorting out his or her own gender identity that they could be justified in making such a huge decision about their future.

In spite of that flying in the face of a raft of APA studies. Because fuck science, amirite, tweenies?

Wot is this ridiculous ageism? High school is confusing for everyone, and denying the reality of how people experience gender doesn't help. Whether you like it or not, whether it's convenient for your little gender ideology or not, the social construct of gender has some cracks in it. It's not a perfect example of its own ideal, in practice. Some people are trans. Get over it.

Oh, and cry me a river while you're at it.