First off, I agree
Second, What the hell is runny butter?
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by Orcoa » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:40 pm
by Sociobiology » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:43 pm
by Orcoa » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:49 pm
Sociobiology wrote:
butter so warm it is runny: form => adjective noun.
runny
Adjective
More liquid than is usual or expected: "the soufflé was hard on top and quite runny underneath".
butter
Noun
A pale yellow edible fatty substance made by churning cream and used as a spread or in cooking.
I don't know how else to explain it.
the question kinda threw me for a loop.
Or is this a translation thing?
by Sociobiology » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:52 pm
Orcoa wrote:Sociobiology wrote:butter so warm it is runny: form => adjective noun.
runny
Adjective
More liquid than is usual or expected: "the soufflé was hard on top and quite runny underneath".
butter
Noun
A pale yellow edible fatty substance made by churning cream and used as a spread or in cooking.
I don't know how else to explain it.
the question kinda threw me for a loop.
Or is this a translation thing?
Oh I thought it was a name of a brand of butter....you meant actual butter
My bad
by Tahar Joblis » Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:07 pm
Trotskylvania wrote:Tahar Joblis wrote:Pretty much all studies which have asked the general population of both men and women and used screening questions that actually pick up violence in both directions.Seriously.
Yeah, that's not true in the slightest.
On the other hand, annual intimate partner violence prevalence estimates generated by the NFVS are substantially higher than those
generated by the NVAW Survey. The 1975 and 1985 NFVS found that 11 to 12 percent of married/cohabiting women and 12 percent of married/cohabiting men were physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually.11 The 1992 National Alcohol and Family Violence Survey, which included parts of the NFVS, found that approximately 1.9 percent of married/cohabiting women were severely assaulted by a male partner annually and approximately 4.5 percent of married/cohabiting men were severely assaulted by a female partner annually.12 The 1995 National Alcohol Survey, which also included parts of the NFVS, found that 5.2 to 13.6 percent of married/cohabiting couples experienced male-tofemale partner violence annually and 6.2 to 18.2 percent of married/cohabiting couples experienced female-to-male intimate partner violenceannually.13
It is difficult to explain why the NCVS, NFVS, and NVAW Survey generated such different annual intimate partner victimization rates or why the NFVS produced evidence of symmetry in women’s and men’s risk of intimate partner violence while the NCVS and NVAW Survey produced evidence of asymmetry.
So you really are saying that violence against women, in an era where they were treated as perpetual minors just never really happened.
Police officers, a male majority profession, have among the highest incidences of domestic violence against their partners.
Yes, so did the head house slaves play a role in enforcing the racial obedience of black slaves. Didn't mean that there was any measure of equality.
by Free South Califas » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:36 am
by Free South Califas » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:44 am
Iuronia wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:"She said a couple should explore their 'mutual fantasies' *mirthless chuckle*. There are no such things as 'mutual fantasies'."
-Bill Maher
"Those people who think sexual abuse is a black-or-white, all-or-none category are incapable of clear, logical thought."
-Dawkins
"Yeah. Well, you deserved it. So, fuck you. I hope it happens again soon. I’m tired of being treated like shit by you mean little cunts and then you using your rpae as an excuse. Fuck you. I think we should give teh guy who raped you a medal."
-Amazing Atheist
Not what I've said. I prefer to call myself an egalitarianist and not a feminist since it prevents confusion. Many people think that feminism is advocacy of female supremacy, and I can't count the amount of times I've argued over mere semantics. Sure, I've argued with complete idiots and borderline nazis on that, but whatever.
by The Treorai » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:55 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:It's a situation intrinsic to the committed ideologue. Whenever one makes a counter-argument the goalposts seem not only to move in two dimensions but also float several hundred thousand miles above the pitch whilst wearing cast-iron earplugs.
Rainbows and Rivers wrote:Dictators blaming America for all their problems? That's new.
Caninope wrote:If I think in my mind that the book sitting in front of me is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows when it is in fact Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 11th Edition, then it doesn't make me any more objectively correct.
by The Treorai » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:57 am
Free South Califas wrote:Iuronia wrote:Not what I've said. I prefer to call myself an egalitarianist and not a feminist since it prevents confusion. Many people think that feminism is advocacy of female supremacy, and I can't count the amount of times I've argued over mere semantics. Sure, I've argued with complete idiots and borderline nazis on that, but whatever.
Ah, so you've thrown women under the bus to have a more comfortable time with other men. :nod: Well, I'm sure you have company.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:It's a situation intrinsic to the committed ideologue. Whenever one makes a counter-argument the goalposts seem not only to move in two dimensions but also float several hundred thousand miles above the pitch whilst wearing cast-iron earplugs.
Rainbows and Rivers wrote:Dictators blaming America for all their problems? That's new.
Caninope wrote:If I think in my mind that the book sitting in front of me is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows when it is in fact Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 11th Edition, then it doesn't make me any more objectively correct.
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:02 am
The Treorai wrote:Yes, because everything anti-feminist is automagically misogynist, right?.
I am not anti-women. I am very much pro-women. However, the myth that modern feminism spouts anything outside of stupidity and female superiority needs to be defeated so we can all begin to actually fix the problems that result in non-equal rights for women in this world.
Now on the topic of whether or not the greater atheist movement is misogynist, no. Simply because a few vocal people speak doesn't mean every single person agrees with, or even respects that person. That is like perpetrating the myth that all Christians are against gay marriage, or that all Muslims agree with the ideals of Al-Qaeda.
by The Treorai » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:11 am
The Parkus Empire wrote:The Treorai wrote:Yes, because everything anti-feminist is automagically misogynist, right?.
I am not anti-women. I am very much pro-women. However, the myth that modern feminism spouts anything outside of stupidity and female superiority needs to be defeated so we can all begin to actually fix the problems that result in non-equal rights for women in this world.
Now on the topic of whether or not the greater atheist movement is misogynist, no. Simply because a few vocal people speak doesn't mean every single person agrees with, or even respects that person. That is like perpetrating the myth that all Christians are against gay marriage, or that all Muslims agree with the ideals of Al-Qaeda.
The myth that modern atheism spouts anything outside of stupidity and hatred of theists needs to be eradicated so we can all begin to actually fix the problem that results in non-equal rights for the non-religious of this world.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:It's a situation intrinsic to the committed ideologue. Whenever one makes a counter-argument the goalposts seem not only to move in two dimensions but also float several hundred thousand miles above the pitch whilst wearing cast-iron earplugs.
Rainbows and Rivers wrote:Dictators blaming America for all their problems? That's new.
Caninope wrote:If I think in my mind that the book sitting in front of me is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows when it is in fact Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 11th Edition, then it doesn't make me any more objectively correct.
by Tahar Joblis » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:19 am
The Parkus Empire wrote:The myth that modern atheism spouts anything outside of stupidity and hatred of theists
by The Treorai » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:23 am
Tahar Joblis wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:The myth that modern atheism spouts anything outside of stupidity and hatred of theists
OK, I think I understand why you made this thread. Let me know if this covers it:
- You hate things which are "misogynist." (You can't tell what actually is and is not misogynist as far as I'm concerned; your working definition of the word hovers in the vicinity of "disagreed with a feminist" and "is a man.")
- You hate atheists. Well. Self-identified atheists, ones who stay in their place and keep their mouths shut about it are OK by your lights.
- You saw a couple cases in which someone, somewhere, posted a story where an atheist was called a misogynist.
- You saw this as an opportunity to smear both groups ("people who disagree with feminists" and "self-identified atheists") by associating them with each other.
Does that about cover it?
Dumb Ideologies wrote:It's a situation intrinsic to the committed ideologue. Whenever one makes a counter-argument the goalposts seem not only to move in two dimensions but also float several hundred thousand miles above the pitch whilst wearing cast-iron earplugs.
Rainbows and Rivers wrote:Dictators blaming America for all their problems? That's new.
Caninope wrote:If I think in my mind that the book sitting in front of me is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows when it is in fact Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 11th Edition, then it doesn't make me any more objectively correct.
by Ermarian » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:52 am
by Iuronia » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:53 am
Free South Califas wrote:Iuronia wrote:Not what I've said. I prefer to call myself an egalitarianist and not a feminist since it prevents confusion. Many people think that feminism is advocacy of female supremacy, and I can't count the amount of times I've argued over mere semantics. Sure, I've argued with complete idiots and borderline nazis on that, but whatever.
Ah, so you've thrown women under the bus to have a more comfortable time with other men. :nod: Well, I'm sure you have company.
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:55 am
Tahar Joblis wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:The myth that modern atheism spouts anything outside of stupidity and hatred of theists
OK, I think I understand why you made this thread. Let me know if this covers it:
- You hate things which are "misogynist." (You can't tell what actually is and is not misogynist as far as I'm concerned; your working definition of the word hovers in the vicinity of "disagreed with a feminist" and "is a man.")
- You hate atheists. Well. Self-identified atheists, ones who stay in their place and keep their mouths shut about it are OK by your lights.
- You saw a couple cases in which someone, somewhere, posted a story where an atheist was called a misogynist.
- You saw this as an opportunity to smear both groups ("people who disagree with feminists" and "self-identified atheists") by associating them with each other.
Does that about cover it?
by Free South Califas » Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:44 am
by Free South Califas » Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:44 am
The Treorai wrote:Yes, because everything anti-feminist is automagically misogynist, right?.
I am not anti-women. I am very much pro-women. However, the myth that modern feminism spouts anything outside of stupidity and female superiority needs to be defeated so we can all begin to actually fix the problems that result in non-equal rights for women in this world.
Now on the topic of whether or not the greater atheist movement is misogynist, no. Simply because a few vocal people speak doesn't mean every single person agrees with, or even respects that person. That is like perpetrating the myth that all Christians are against gay marriage, or that all Muslims agree with the ideals of Al-Qaeda.
by Iuronia » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:02 am
Free South Califas wrote:Iuronia wrote:No, I just don't identify as a feminist. It's about terminology to me.
Words have consequences, you know...but you're not a feminist, so I may be barking up the wrong tree. The way your words hurt women is irrelevant to your desire, so who cares? They're just words.
by Tahar Joblis » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:45 am
The Parkus Empire wrote:Tahar Joblis wrote:OK, I think I understand why you made this thread. Let me know if this covers it:
- You hate things which are "misogynist." (You can't tell what actually is and is not misogynist as far as I'm concerned; your working definition of the word hovers in the vicinity of "disagreed with a feminist" and "is a man.")
- You hate atheists. Well. Self-identified atheists, ones who stay in their place and keep their mouths shut about it are OK by your lights.
- You saw a couple cases in which someone, somewhere, posted a story where an atheist was called a misogynist.
- You saw this as an opportunity to smear both groups ("people who disagree with feminists" and "self-identified atheists") by associating them with each other.
Does that about cover it?
No, it does not. Perhaps you'd like to reexamine the context of what I just said.
In relation to what makes the three misogynists:
Dawkins: said that claims of sexual harassment are invalid because Islamic women have it worse and because if it isn't physical then no biggie.
The statement I have just made was clearly an illustration of the irrationality saying feminism is about nothing but female superiority, when feminism does not support a single female superiority policy. I have frequently and commonly identified as atheist and expressed disapproval in regards to religion. When you accuse me of trying to "smear" atheism, you are being nothing less than willfully obtuse.
by Tahar Joblis » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:48 am
Free South Califas wrote:Iuronia wrote:No, I just don't identify as a feminist. It's about terminology to me.
Words have consequences, you know...but you're not a feminist, so I may be barking up the wrong tree. The way your words hurt women is irrelevant to your desire, so who cares? They're just words.
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:02 am
Tahar Joblis wrote:Does that cover your motives in posting that thread, corrected? Because, for all that you posed the OP as a question, you seem to take it on doctrinal faith that Dawkins is a misogynist, the atheist movement is horrible, etc. You don't really seem to be looking for anybody to convince you of anything. Is there anything about the situation that you are open to having your view changed on?
by The Treorai » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:41 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Tahar Joblis wrote:Does that cover your motives in posting that thread, corrected? Because, for all that you posed the OP as a question, you seem to take it on doctrinal faith that Dawkins is a misogynist, the atheist movement is horrible, etc. You don't really seem to be looking for anybody to convince you of anything. Is there anything about the situation that you are open to having your view changed on?
It's a situation intrinsic to the committed ideologue. Whenever one makes a counter-argument the goalposts seem not only to move in two dimensions but also float several hundred thousand miles above the pitch whilst wearing cast-iron earplugs.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:It's a situation intrinsic to the committed ideologue. Whenever one makes a counter-argument the goalposts seem not only to move in two dimensions but also float several hundred thousand miles above the pitch whilst wearing cast-iron earplugs.
Rainbows and Rivers wrote:Dictators blaming America for all their problems? That's new.
Caninope wrote:If I think in my mind that the book sitting in front of me is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows when it is in fact Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 11th Edition, then it doesn't make me any more objectively correct.
by Uieurnthlaal » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:55 pm
Tahar Joblis wrote:Free South Califas wrote:Words have consequences, you know...but you're not a feminist, so I may be barking up the wrong tree. The way your words hurt women is irrelevant to your desire, so who cares? They're just words.
Califas, are you actually saying that not identifying as feminist is an act which is intrinsically requires being misogynist?
Because that's both absurd and yet also what I have been accusing feminists of believing. I just didn't expect any of them to actually 'fess up to the fact that as far as they were concerned, you're either on board with the "feminism" ship or are automatically misogynist regardless of anything else.
by Kaylea » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:23 pm
Tahar Joblis wrote:Neither of the two features I mentioned (initiation/escalation of violence, and bi-directionality of violence) is measured in the NVAW report. It, in fact, avoided including perpetration by respondents. It appears to have deliberately avoided the question of bi-directionality of participants.
Which means your source is totally irrelevant to you contesting that women initiate and escalate violence no less often than men; and that unidirectional violence is much more often female-on-male violence than male-on-female violence.
Even with killing - and mind you, men, being larger, stronger, and much more often comfortable with guns, are in principle better-equipped to kill someone who just really pissed them off - the raw ratio of male victims of spousal killing to female victims of spousal killings is much closer to even than you would think. Even that measure is not a very good one, and is potentially impacted by a number of factors, e.g., the fact that female killers often choose to use poison and that this method is less likely to be detected as a killing; it's just the least subject to bias. As I've pointed out in comparing those figures to conviction rates.
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