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by Cameroi » Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:38 pm
by The Nuclear Fist » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:25 pm
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by The Emerald Legion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:31 pm
Cameroi wrote:the only excuse for equipping drones with lethal force and using them to kill people, is to prevent collateral casualties.
there shouldn't even be a question. the method of using a machine to commit murder by proxy, doesn't really enter into the moral equation of taking lives.
i don't think buying off the survivors absolves responsibility either, but certainly they are owed at least that.
by Cameroi » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:36 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Cameroi wrote:the only excuse for equipping drones with lethal force and using them to kill people, is to prevent collateral casualties.
there shouldn't even be a question. the method of using a machine to commit murder by proxy, doesn't really enter into the moral equation of taking lives.
i don't think buying off the survivors absolves responsibility either, but certainly they are owed at least that.
Is there any difference between drones now and wearing armour in the middle ages?
by Imperializt Russia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:37 pm
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Yes, and the US should take steps to make sure that civilian casualties are lessened.
No, I don't support scrapping the drone program and I don't see the benefit of doing so.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by United Kingdom of Poland » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:41 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Kanery wrote:Yes. We already spend a ton on defense, so why not be helpful with where we spend it? And besides, who would be that much of a jerk to say no?
You do realise we're talking about the US armed forces here, the people who deny that blue-on-blue attacks occur and refuse to hand over aircrews accused of killing friendly forces?
The country that spies on its own citizens, its allies' citizenry and governments and still spies on the Russian embassies in its country?
by Seleucas » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:56 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Seleucas wrote:
The US would be better off not stepping on anyone's toes to begin with, than pouring fuel on the fire by sustaining its bellicose and haughty attitude.
Ground operations in Afghanistan have forced the Taliban, al-Qaeda and affiliate command structures into Pakistan and Yemen, where they coalesce with existing support and organisational infrastructure.
You won't kill them without going outside of Afghanistan.
by Frisivisia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:59 pm
by Frisivisia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:59 pm
Seleucas wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:Ground operations in Afghanistan have forced the Taliban, al-Qaeda and affiliate command structures into Pakistan and Yemen, where they coalesce with existing support and organisational infrastructure.
You won't kill them without going outside of Afghanistan.
I don't support fighting in Afghanistan, let alone elsewhere.
by Warda » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:00 pm
Frisivisia wrote:Giving money to dead people seems like a poor use of taxpayer money. Their families seems like a more sensible option.
Las Palmeras wrote:Decent enough for the Middle East.
by Frisivisia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:01 pm
by New Emphillon » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:07 pm
by Frisivisia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:07 pm
New Emphillon wrote:Frisivisia wrote:Why do you want the terrorists to win and steal our freedom?
Steal our freedom? They (al-Qaida, the Taliban, etc.) want to wipe us (the Western world) off the face of the Earth! Not enslave us. But I do agree with Seleucas. 12 years of endless fighting and billions of dollars worth of tax payers' money and all for what? I see no end to the fighting in Afghanistan, do you? The Soviets lost in Afghanistan in the 1980s due to our influence with the rebels in that nation at the time and now we're getting bit in the ass for it. I'm glad we'll be out of Afghanistan next year and this whole fiasco can be over. It's just Vietnam all over again.
by The Orson Empire » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:09 pm
Frisivisia wrote:New Emphillon wrote:Steal our freedom? They (al-Qaida, the Taliban, etc.) want to wipe us (the Western world) off the face of the Earth! Not enslave us. But I do agree with Seleucas. 12 years of endless fighting and billions of dollars worth of tax payers' money and all for what? I see no end to the fighting in Afghanistan, do you? The Soviets lost in Afghanistan in the 1980s due to our influence with the rebels in that nation at the time and now we're getting bit in the ass for it. I'm glad we'll be out of Afghanistan next year and this whole fiasco can be over. It's just Vietnam all over again.
That's what you say right before they steal our freedom.
by Mkuki » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:10 pm
John Rawls wrote:In justice as fairness, the concept of right is prior to that of the good.
by OMGeverynameistaken » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:27 pm
by Regnum Dominae » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:31 pm
by United Kingdom of Poland » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:35 pm
Atvania wrote:They should get the drones out of there instead of the proposed in OP. After all, it would cost more for the drones to strike a petty al-Qaeda force than using actual soldiers.
by God Kefka » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:37 pm
by Regnum Dominae » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:39 pm
by God Kefka » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:40 pm
Regnum Dominae wrote:God Kefka wrote:
No way man...
You shouldn't need to compensate anyone if you are a strong state like the USA...
What kind of idealistic nonsense is this? Who's going to force the USA to compensate when it is the strongest and it's not in US interests to compensate?
Except that it IS in our interests as it probably makes the people in the countries where we use drones, hate us a little bit less.
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