Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[Menassa]

Let's hope they don't.

I suppose he was a bit offensive, and entirely one-sided in his claims. So yes, lets hope not.

The problem with people as such and easy refutations is they tend to not see basic logic.... and that can lead to frustration for the enlightened party.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Let's hope they don't.

I suppose he was a bit offensive, and entirely one-sided in his claims. So yes, lets hope not.

It was a drive-by post. Not sure why you're giving it anymore attention than it already got.

[Menassa]

I suppose he was a bit offensive, and entirely one-sided in his claims. So yes, lets hope not.

It was a drive-by post. Not sure why you're giving it anymore attention than it already got.

Aside from that?

Are you Musilm? You seem to know a lot about Islam.... but I don't think you've ever said you were Muslim.

[EnragedMaldivians]

It was a drive-by post. Not sure why you're giving it anymore attention than it already got.

Aside from that?

Are you Musilm? You seem to know a lot about Islam.... but I don't think you've ever said you were Muslim.

I was raised Muslim and my country legally demands that I be Muslim. Also, I do a lot of reading on Islamic theology, Islamic history and modern political Islamic movements. So yeah, broadly speaking, I'm more familiar with Islam than most people.

But no, I have been an atheist for approximately the last 6 years. Basically, I haven't really been a believer since I was about 16.

[Menassa]

Aside from that?

Are you Musilm? You seem to know a lot about Islam.... but I don't think you've ever said you were Muslim.

I was raised Muslim and my country legally demands that I be Muslim. Also, I do a lot of reading on Islamic theology, Islamic history and modern political Islamic movements. So yeah, broadly speaking, I'm more familiar with Islam than most people.

But no, I have been an atheist for approximately the last 6 years. Basically, I haven't really been a believer since I was about 16.

Ah.... why did you leave the faith?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I was raised Muslim and my country legally demands that I be Muslim. Also, I do a lot of reading on Islamic theology, Islamic history and modern political Islamic movements. So yeah, broadly speaking, I'm more familiar with Islam than most people.

But no, I have been an atheist for approximately the last 6 years. Basically, I haven't really been a believer since I was about 16.

Ah.... why did you leave the faith?

He lives in Scotland.

If he were a devout Muslim, he wouldn't be able to get hungover. *nod*

[Menassa]

Ah.... why did you leave the faith?

He lives in Scotland.

If he were a devout Muslim, he wouldn't be able to get hungover. *nod*

Aye.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

He lives in Scotland.

If he were a devout Muslim, he wouldn't be able to get hungover. *nod*

Aye.

Booze vs faith is an important choice every man must make.

[EnragedMaldivians]

I was raised Muslim and my country legally demands that I be Muslim. Also, I do a lot of reading on Islamic theology, Islamic history and modern political Islamic movements. So yeah, broadly speaking, I'm more familiar with Islam than most people.

But no, I have been an atheist for approximately the last 6 years. Basically, I haven't really been a believer since I was about 16.

Ah.... why did you leave the faith?

I think I'd decided by then that there was no evidence for any of it that I could take seriously. There's another reason that cemented my disbelief but it's kind of personal.

[Menassa]

Ah.... why did you leave the faith?

I think I'd decided by then that there was no evidence for any of it that I could take seriously. There's another reason that cemented my disbelief but it's kind of personal.

Such as.

Not referencing the personal information.... that's for you and yours.

Aye.

Booze vs faith is an important choice every man must make.

And that's why I'm Jewish

[Nightkill the Emperor]

So Muslims and the various other people who are on this thread, what's the traditional Islamic view on intermarriage?

Now, for instance, Shahrukh Khan (you can stop screaming, EM, I know you're probably a fan) married a Hindu woman. Is this a sin?

[Xathranaar]

Booze vs faith is an important choice every man must make.

And that's why I'm Jewish

Consider joining the Aztec religion. They have 400 drinking gods.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Booze vs faith is an important choice every man must make.

And that's why I'm Jewish

Consider joining the Aztec religion. They have 400 drinking gods.[/quote]
Hinduism doesn't give a fuck.

[Menassa]

Booze vs faith is an important choice every man must make.

And that's why I'm Jewish

Consider joining the Aztec religion. They have 400 drinking gods.[/quote]
There Drinking ballads must be great!

[EnragedMaldivians]

I think I'd decided by then that there was no evidence for any of it that I could take seriously. There's another reason that cemented my disbelief but it's kind of personal.

Such as.

Not referencing the personal information.... that's for you and yours.

Well, prophecy for one. It just seemed more plausible to me that Muhammad was merely a competent leader rather than someone to whom God spoke to through an angel. It's not like it was uncommon in Arabia for people to go around claiming they were prophets. Some were even contemporaries to Muhammad; Musaylimah for instance. It's just that Muhammad was, for lack of a better term, better at it.

And then you know, God, creation...etc. etc. You know, the whole shebang of common atheist objections, with which you are probably familiar with.

So Muslims and the various other people who are on this thread, what's the traditional Islamic view on intermarriage?

Now, for instance, Shahrukh Khan (you can stop screaming, EM, I know you're probably a fan) married a Hindu woman. Is this a sin?

Yes. Traditionally it's considered a sin for a Muslim man to marry anyone who is not a woman wo is not Muslim, Christian or Jewish (and a woman may only marry a Muslim man).

Also, Sharuk Khan is...hit or miss really. Some of his stuff is silly; and he was extremely annoying in Dil Se. He's no Amithab Bachan.

[Menassa]

Such as.

Not referencing the personal information.... that's for you and yours.

Well, prophecy for one. It just seemed more plausible to me that Muhammad was merely a competent leader rather than someone to whom God spoke to through an angel. It's not like it was uncommon in Arabia for people to go around claiming they were prophets. Some were even contemporaries to Muhammad; Musaylimah for instance. It's just that Muhammad was, for lack of a better term, better at it.

And then you know, God, creation...etc. etc. You know, the whole shebang of common atheist objections, with which you are probably familiar with.

Ah... I personally hold those arguments to be true with the Jesus figure... very interesting.

[EnragedMaldivians]

And that's why I'm Jewish

Consider joining the Aztec religion. They have 400 drinking gods.

Oh yeah, that actually brings me to another objection I have. Supposedly God sent all these prophets before Muhammad to lay the foundations for Islam....but they all tended to be rather "regional".

Where were all the prophets sent to, for instance....Pre Columbian America? Certainly the Nahuatl speaking civilisation to which the Mexica/Triple Alliance/Aztecs belonged retained no memory of them, if they were ever even sent.

[Azurand]

So Muslims and the various other people who are on this thread, what's the traditional Islamic view on intermarriage?

Now, for instance, Shahrukh Khan (you can stop screaming, EM, I know you're probably a fan) married a Hindu woman. Is this a sin?

Yes. Traditionally it's considered a sin for a Muslim man to marry anyone who is not a woman wo is not Muslim, Christian or Jewish (and a woman may only marry a Muslim man).

For a Muslim man, it isn't a sin, after all (and feminists screamed, shocked, once again). The women considered are more "susceptible", and feared that it will more easily for a woman for murtad than a man, just because a marriage with non-Muslim. Not mean that it couldn't be otherwise, though. I'm searching for the verse, I'll give it to you later after I'm RPing.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Yes. Traditionally it's considered a sin for a Muslim man to marry anyone who is not a woman wo is not Muslim, Christian or Jewish (and a woman may only marry a Muslim man).

For a Muslim man, it isn't a sin, after all (and feminists screamed, shocked, once again). The women considered are more "susceptible", and feared that it will more easily for a woman for murtad than a man, just because a marriage with non-Muslim. Not mean that it couldn't be otherwise, though. I'm searching for the verse, I'll give it to you later after I'm RPing.

For a Muslim man it isn't considered a sin for him to marry a Christian or Jew you mean? Because they're not allowed to marry Hindus, at least not traditionally.

Yes. Feminists are upset by sexism. Shocker.

[Xathranaar]

For a Muslim man, it isn't a sin, after all (and feminists screamed, shocked, once again). The women considered are more "susceptible", and feared that it will more easily for a woman for murtad than a man, just because a marriage with non-Muslim. Not mean that it couldn't be otherwise, though. I'm searching for the verse, I'll give it to you later after I'm RPing.

For a Muslim man it isn't considered a sin for him to marry a Christian or Jew you mean? Because they're not allowed to marry Hindus, at least not traditionally.

Yes. Feminists are upset by sexism. Shocker.

Well, I suppose, People of the Book and all that...

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Such as.

Not referencing the personal information.... that's for you and yours.

Well, prophecy for one. It just seemed more plausible to me that Muhammad was merely a competent leader rather than someone to whom God spoke to through an angel. It's not like it was uncommon in Arabia for people to go around claiming they were prophets. Some were even contemporaries to Muhammad; Musaylimah for instance. It's just that Muhammad was, for lack of a better term, better at it.

And then you know, God, creation...etc. etc. You know, the whole shebang of common atheist objections, with which you are probably familiar with.

So Muslims and the various other people who are on this thread, what's the traditional Islamic view on intermarriage?

Now, for instance, Shahrukh Khan (you can stop screaming, EM, I know you're probably a fan) married a Hindu woman. Is this a sin?

Yes. Traditionally it's considered a sin for a Muslim man to marry anyone who is not a woman wo is not Muslim, Christian or Jewish (and a woman may only marry a Muslim man).

Also, Sharuk Khan is...hit or miss really. Some of his stuff is silly; and he was extremely annoying in Dil Se. He's no Amithab Bachan.

Aamir Khan and Amithab are better, yeah.

So SRK cannot call himself a Muslim then?

[EnragedMaldivians]

For a Muslim man it isn't considered a sin for him to marry a Christian or Jew you mean? Because they're not allowed to marry Hindus, at least not traditionally.

Yes. Feminists are upset by sexism. Shocker.

Well, I suppose, People of the Book and all that...

I'm not really sure what you're supposing here. You suppose what?

But basically a very rough outline of Islamic rules surrounding marriage is this:

A Muslim man can have up to four wives (and he must provide for them equally) and they may be either Muslim or from the People of the Book (Christians, Jews etc).

A Muslim woman can have one husband, who must be a Muslim.

Not that I agree that that should be the case of course, just outlining what has traditionally been part of the theology.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Well, I suppose, People of the Book and all that...

I'm not really sure what you're supposing here. You suppose what?

But basically a very rough outline of Islamic rules surrounding marriage is this:

A Muslim man can have up to four wives (and he must provide for them equally) and they may be either Muslim or from the People of the Book (Christians, Jews etc).

A Muslim woman can have one husband, who must be a Muslim.

Not that I agree that that should be the case of course, just outlining what has traditionally been part of the theology.

Baha'i aren't considered people of the book, right?

[EnragedMaldivians]

Well, prophecy for one. It just seemed more plausible to me that Muhammad was merely a competent leader rather than someone to whom God spoke to through an angel. It's not like it was uncommon in Arabia for people to go around claiming they were prophets. Some were even contemporaries to Muhammad; Musaylimah for instance. It's just that Muhammad was, for lack of a better term, better at it.

And then you know, God, creation...etc. etc. You know, the whole shebang of common atheist objections, with which you are probably familiar with.



Yes. Traditionally it's considered a sin for a Muslim man to marry anyone who is not a woman wo is not Muslim, Christian or Jewish (and a woman may only marry a Muslim man).

Also, Sharuk Khan is...hit or miss really. Some of his stuff is silly; and he was extremely annoying in Dil Se. He's no Amithab Bachan.

Aamir Khan and Amithab are better, yeah.

So SRK cannot call himself a Muslim then?

He can call himself whatever he wants. I'm just stating what is the traditional opinion...I'm not going to go around declaring Takfir (excommunication) towards members if a faith I don't even practice, so yeah.

Also, wtf is up with Salman Khan these days? Why has he gone from reasonably well-built to "roided up and slightly obese Goliath-man"?

[EnragedMaldivians]

I'm not really sure what you're supposing here. You suppose what?

But basically a very rough outline of Islamic rules surrounding marriage is this:

A Muslim man can have up to four wives (and he must provide for them equally) and they may be either Muslim or from the People of the Book (Christians, Jews etc).

A Muslim woman can have one husband, who must be a Muslim.

Not that I agree that that should be the case of course, just outlining what has traditionally been part of the theology.

Baha'i aren't considered people of the book, right?

Nope. They are not.