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To which branch of Islam do you belong?

Sunni
164
41%
Shia
53
13%
Ibadi
15
4%
Ahmadiyya
10
2%
Sufi
31
8%
Nondenominational
47
12%
Other
84
21%
 
Total votes : 404

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Postby Kalmarium » Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:15 pm

Muridiyya wrote:nobody here?

Nope, we fled
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Postby Muridiyya » Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:33 pm

Kalmarium wrote:
Muridiyya wrote:nobody here?

Nope, we fled

Hello ''somebody'' :hug:
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Postby Kalmarium » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:57 pm

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Kalmarium wrote:Nope, we fled

Hello ''somebody'' :hug:

Damn, you caught me D:

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Postby As Jabaria » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:12 am

Salam everybody! :lol:
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Postby Casino Island » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:16 am

As Jabaria wrote:Salam everybody! :lol:

Hi :hug:

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Postby As Jabaria » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:16 am

Casino Island wrote:
As Jabaria wrote:Salam everybody! :lol:

Hi :hug:

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Postby Zuoki » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:35 am

Lyassa and Nairoa wrote:
Samonaemia wrote:But mosques and churches are both places in which God is worshipped and glorified, anywhere in which the name of God is recited is a place suitable for worship, don't you agree?


Yes I do, but I don´t see mohammedans praying in churches much.
In fact, christianity is hardly tolerated in the mohammedan world - whereas mohammedans have freedom of religion in the West.


But The meaning of tolerance is we respect and we let others for pray. we dont disturb them and we dont pray like them and join them.

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Postby Senegambie » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:20 pm

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Postby Anollasia » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:46 pm

Senegambie wrote:Hello :unsure:

Hello! Are you Muslim, too? :)

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:46 pm

Samonaemia wrote:
Lyassa and Nairoa wrote:As a catholic, I was appalled when the present Pope, and the one before him, prayed in a mosque.
Mosques are for mohammedans. Nothing against that religion, mind you. But...to each his own place of worship.

But mosques and churches are both places in which God is worshipped and glorified, anywhere in which the name of God is recited is a place suitable for worship, don't you agree?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Muslims allowed to pray in churches/synagogues if there is no mosque available for you to go to nearby, until establishment of the mosque occurs?
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Postby Western Virginia » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:50 pm

Jesus Christ is the only son of God, the God of Israel, HE IS THE ONLY WAY,TRUTH,AND LIFE. HE SAID SO HIMSELF IN JOHN 14:6 Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.” He loves you and wants to have a personal intamate realationship with you. :hug: In order for that to happen you must have the Lord (which means master) Jesus Christ as your ONLY Lord and savior. Not 1 of but the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST ALONE!!!! You may be asking, well how do I accept Jesus Christ as the only son of God and my personal Lord and savior? By believing in your heart( not just with your mind) that he is the Only son of God and by accepting him as your only Lord and savior. Just believe he is who he claimed to be as stated in the Bible. Ephesians 2:8-9 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift--not from works, so that no one can boast. . Make Jesus Christ your only Lord( which means master) and your only savior today. Only Jesus can save you from everlasting torment. Why? Because he paid your fine on the cross so that by accepting JESUS CHRIST and JESUS CHRIST ALONE, NOT MUHAMMAD OR ANYONE ELSE you will be forgiven. But you must choose God for yourself freely. He doesn't and will not force anyone to believe. You must do it sincerly out of your heart! Ask Jesus to let you know if he is the only way, the only truth, the only life, and if he is the only way to the father as he claimed to be. If you are serious about finding truth Jesus will give it to you.

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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:53 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Samonaemia wrote:But mosques and churches are both places in which God is worshipped and glorified, anywhere in which the name of God is recited is a place suitable for worship, don't you agree?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Muslims allowed to pray in churches/synagogues if there is no mosque available for you to go to nearby, until establishment of the mosque occurs?


Why would they need to? Muslims don't need to pray in a Mosque, or even inside a building. For instance even Friday Prayers can be done in a corn field and still be valid as long as there are forty people (well, men) and they are facing Mecca.

Also with Catholic Churches you have the whole issue of idols being there; also the issue of it being place where Jesus/Eesa is worshipped. Unless you mean it's a complex where it's divided into a Church, Mosque and Synagogue, no...I doubt that would be allowed.
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Postby Eireann Fae » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:58 pm

Western Virginia wrote:
Jesus Christ is the only son of God, the God of Israel, HE IS THE ONLY WAY,TRUTH,AND LIFE. HE SAID SO HIMSELF IN JOHN 14:6 Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.” He loves you and wants to have a personal intamate realationship with you. :hug: In order for that to happen you must have the Lord (which means master) Jesus Christ as your ONLY Lord and savior. Not 1 of but the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST ALONE!!!! You may be asking, well how do I accept Jesus Christ as the only son of God and my personal Lord and savior? By believing in your heart( not just with your mind) that he is the Only son of God and by accepting him as your only Lord and savior. Just believe he is who he claimed to be as stated in the Bible. Ephesians 2:8-9 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift--not from works, so that no one can boast. . Make Jesus Christ your only Lord( which means master) and your only savior today. Only Jesus can save you from everlasting torment. Why? Because he paid your fine on the cross so that by accepting JESUS CHRIST and JESUS CHRIST ALONE, NOT MUHAMMAD OR ANYONE ELSE you will be forgiven. But you must choose God for yourself freely. He doesn't and will not force anyone to believe. You must do it sincerly out of your heart! Ask Jesus to let you know if he is the only way, the only truth, the only life, and if he is the only way to the father as he claimed to be. If you are serious about finding truth Jesus will give it to you.

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This is not the place for your holy war. Please do not spam this thread with your irrelevant drivel.

EnragedMaldivians wrote:Why would they need to? Muslims don't need to pray in a Mosque, or even inside a building. For instance even Friday Prayers can be done in a corn field and still be valid as long as there are forty people (well, men) and they are facing Mecca.

Also with Catholic Churches you have the whole issue of idols being there; also the issue of it being place where Jesus/Eesa is worshipped. Unless you mean it's a complex where it's divided into a Church, Mosque and Synagogue, no...I doubt that would be allowed.


I had no idea there needed to even be a particular number of people to pray. Can isolated Muslims not pray alone and still be doing their service to Allah? I knew facing Mecca was a requirement, but I thought as long as you got the timing right (five per day, is it?) that it didn't matter how many people you prayed with.

I would also think that Muslims could simply ignore the idolatry in Catholic Churches and pay their own respects in their own way, regardless of their surroundings. Then, I'm not a Muslim :)

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Postby The God-Realm » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:00 pm

Western Virginia wrote:Jesus Christ is the only son of God, the God of Israel, HE IS THE ONLY WAY,TRUTH,AND LIFE. HE SAID SO HIMSELF IN JOHN 14:6 Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.” He loves you and wants to have a personal intamate realationship with you. :hug: In order for that to happen you must have the Lord (which means master) Jesus Christ as your ONLY Lord and savior. Not 1 of but the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST ALONE!!!! You may be asking, well how do I accept Jesus Christ as the only son of God and my personal Lord and savior? By believing in your heart( not just with your mind) that he is the Only son of God and by accepting him as your only Lord and savior. Just believe he is who he claimed to be as stated in the Bible. Ephesians 2:8-9 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift--not from works, so that no one can boast. . Make Jesus Christ your only Lord( which means master) and your only savior today. Only Jesus can save you from everlasting torment. Why? Because he paid your fine on the cross so that by accepting JESUS CHRIST and JESUS CHRIST ALONE, NOT MUHAMMAD OR ANYONE ELSE you will be forgiven. But you must choose God for yourself freely. He doesn't and will not force anyone to believe. You must do it sincerly out of your heart! Ask Jesus to let you know if he is the only way, the only truth, the only life, and if he is the only way to the father as he claimed to be. If you are serious about finding truth Jesus will give it to you.

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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:03 pm

Eireann Fae wrote:
Western Virginia wrote:
Jesus Christ is the only son of God, the God of Israel, HE IS THE ONLY WAY,TRUTH,AND LIFE. HE SAID SO HIMSELF IN JOHN 14:6 Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.” He loves you and wants to have a personal intamate realationship with you. :hug: In order for that to happen you must have the Lord (which means master) Jesus Christ as your ONLY Lord and savior. Not 1 of but the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST ALONE!!!! You may be asking, well how do I accept Jesus Christ as the only son of God and my personal Lord and savior? By believing in your heart( not just with your mind) that he is the Only son of God and by accepting him as your only Lord and savior. Just believe he is who he claimed to be as stated in the Bible. Ephesians 2:8-9 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift--not from works, so that no one can boast. . Make Jesus Christ your only Lord( which means master) and your only savior today. Only Jesus can save you from everlasting torment. Why? Because he paid your fine on the cross so that by accepting JESUS CHRIST and JESUS CHRIST ALONE, NOT MUHAMMAD OR ANYONE ELSE you will be forgiven. But you must choose God for yourself freely. He doesn't and will not force anyone to believe. You must do it sincerly out of your heart! Ask Jesus to let you know if he is the only way, the only truth, the only life, and if he is the only way to the father as he claimed to be. If you are serious about finding truth Jesus will give it to you.

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This is not the place for your holy war. Please do not spam this thread with your irrelevant drivel.

EnragedMaldivians wrote:Why would they need to? Muslims don't need to pray in a Mosque, or even inside a building. For instance even Friday Prayers can be done in a corn field and still be valid as long as there are forty people (well, men) and they are facing Mecca.

Also with Catholic Churches you have the whole issue of idols being there; also the issue of it being place where Jesus/Eesa is worshipped. Unless you mean it's a complex where it's divided into a Church, Mosque and Synagogue, no...I doubt that would be allowed.


I had no idea there needed to even be a particular number of people to pray. Can isolated Muslims not pray alone and still be doing their service to Allah? I knew facing Mecca was a requirement, but I thought as long as you got the timing right (five per day, is it?) that it didn't matter how many people you prayed with.

I would also think that Muslims could simply ignore the idolatry in Catholic Churches and pay their own respects in their own way, regardless of their surroundings. Then, I'm not a Muslim :)


That was about Friday prayers only (the Jumu'ah) which needs a minimum of 40 men to be valid. Otherwise, praying with a community, while considered superior, is not obligatory.

I am not Muslim either but I was raised one, and I was taught that it is wrong to pray where there are idols.
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Postby Eireann Fae » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:05 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:That was about Friday prayers only (the Jumu'ah) which needs a minimum of 40 men to be valid. Otherwise, praying with a community, while considered superior, is not obligatory.

I am not Muslim either but I was raised one, and I was taught that it is wrong to pray where there are idols.


I feel sorry for the isolated Muslims that cannot congregate on Fridays. I had no idea the religion was so restrictive. Is this only the practice of a particular sect, or is such a restriction spelled out explicitly in the Quran?

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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:16 pm

Eireann Fae wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That was about Friday prayers only (the Jumu'ah) which needs a minimum of 40 men to be valid. Otherwise, praying with a community, while considered superior, is not obligatory.

I am not Muslim either but I was raised one, and I was taught that it is wrong to pray where there are idols.


I feel sorry for the isolated Muslims that cannot congregate on Fridays. I had no idea the religion was so restrictive. Is this only the practice of a particular sect, or is such a restriction spelled out explicitly in the Quran?


If there are not 40 people they can gather with they can simply offer normal Afternoon prayers, wich can even be offered in private. It's not that restrictive.

It is Sunnah, not in the Qur'an. The Qur'an won't even tell you how to pray. Though note that the Maldives mostly follow the Shaafi Madh'ab of Sunni Islam, in which the consensus is that there needs to be at least 40 people to offer Jumu'ah, and this is how I was raised. Other Madh'abs might disagree.
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Postby Eireann Fae » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:27 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:If there are not 40 people they can gather with they can simply offer normal Afternoon prayers, wich can even be offered in private. It's not that restrictive.

It is Sunnah, not in the Qur'an. The Qur'an won't even tell you how to pray. Though note that the Maldives mostly follow the Shaafi Madh'ab of Sunni Islam, in which the consensus is that there needs to be at least 40 people to offer Jumu'ah, and this is how I was raised. Other Madh'abs might disagree.


Ah, I see. You were speaking before using such terms as "not valid", so I thought such Muslims would not been seen as Muslims in the eyes of their peers at all. I should have known it was a particular Madh'ab making the rules. Thank you for the clarification.

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Postby Senegambie » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:07 pm

Anollasia wrote:
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Hello! Are you Muslim, too? :)

Yes :hug:
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Postby Kalmarium » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:22 pm

Western Virginia wrote:-Religious war flamming-

This only furthers my belief that Christianity is a polytheistic religion...
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Postby Xathranaar » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:58 pm

Western Virginia wrote:Jesus Christ is the only son of God, the God of Israel, HE IS THE ONLY WAY,TRUTH,AND LIFE. HE SAID SO HIMSELF IN JOHN 14:6 Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.” He loves you and wants to have a personal intamate realationship with you. :hug: In order for that to happen you must have the Lord (which means master) Jesus Christ as your ONLY Lord and savior. Not 1 of but the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST ALONE!!!! You may be asking, well how do I accept Jesus Christ as the only son of God and my personal Lord and savior? By believing in your heart( not just with your mind) that he is the Only son of God and by accepting him as your only Lord and savior. Just believe he is who he claimed to be as stated in the Bible. Ephesians 2:8-9 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift--not from works, so that no one can boast. . Make Jesus Christ your only Lord( which means master) and your only savior today. Only Jesus can save you from everlasting torment. Why? Because he paid your fine on the cross so that by accepting JESUS CHRIST and JESUS CHRIST ALONE, NOT MUHAMMAD OR ANYONE ELSE you will be forgiven. But you must choose God for yourself freely. He doesn't and will not force anyone to believe. You must do it sincerly out of your heart! Ask Jesus to let you know if he is the only way, the only truth, the only life, and if he is the only way to the father as he claimed to be. If you are serious about finding truth Jesus will give it to you.

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Postby The De Danann Nation » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:06 pm

Lyassa and Nairoa wrote:As a catholic, I was appalled when the present Pope, and the one before him, prayed in a mosque.
Mosques are for mohammedans. Nothing against that religion, mind you. But...to each his own place of worship.


But they're both places of God (I personally don't believe in the Abrahamic God, or at least don't see him as the God.) but the Muslim and Christian God is kind of the same guy, is he is not?
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Postby Kalmarium » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:12 pm

Lyassa and Nairoa wrote:As a catholic, I was appalled when the present Pope, and the one before him, prayed in a mosque.
Mosques are for mohammedans. Nothing against that religion, mind you. But...to each his own place of worship.

We're called "Muslims" actually, not "Mohammedans." Although now you'll probably call us "Mooslams" or whatever way you people poorly-pronounce it.
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:15 pm

Kalmarium wrote:
Lyassa and Nairoa wrote:As a catholic, I was appalled when the present Pope, and the one before him, prayed in a mosque.
Mosques are for mohammedans. Nothing against that religion, mind you. But...to each his own place of worship.

We're called "Muslims" actually, not "Mohammedans." Although now you'll probably call us "Mooslams" or whatever way you people poorly-pronounce it.


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Postby Kalmarium » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:23 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
Kalmarium wrote:We're called "Muslims" actually, not "Mohammedans." Although now you'll probably call us "Mooslams" or whatever way you people poorly-pronounce it.


Didn't you sell me a Muslamic Ray Gun once?

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