Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[Avenio]

Yes I do, but I don´t see mohammedans praying in churches much.
In fact, christianity is hardly tolerated in the mohammedan world - whereas mohammedans have freedom of religion in the West.

Shouldn't your Galilean pontiff want to set a good example, though? You Galileans are supposed to be the religion of peace and goodwill towards all men, after all.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

Yes I do, but I don´t see mohammedans praying in churches much.
In fact, christianity is hardly tolerated in the mohammedan world - whereas mohammedans have freedom of religion in the West.

Shouldn't your Galilean pontiff want to set a good example, though? You Galileans are supposed to be the religion of peace and goodwill towards all men, after all.

We try...
In the end it´s not really a matter of what religion you follow. There are those unfortunate heathens who have a good heart nonetheless. Because they have a soul, whether they believe it or not.

[The God-Realm]

Shouldn't your Galilean pontiff want to set a good example, though? You Galileans are supposed to be the religion of peace and goodwill towards all men, after all.

We try...
In the end it´s not really a matter of what religion you follow. There are those unfortunate heathens who have a good heart nonetheless. Because they have a soul, whether they believe it or not.

Were you born in 1066 and fought all the crusades, fair knight?

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

We try...
In the end it´s not really a matter of what religion you follow. There are those unfortunate heathens who have a good heart nonetheless. Because they have a soul, whether they believe it or not.

Were you born in 1066 and fought all the crusades, fair knight?

No. I just been talking like this since I went to a medieval fair. I was really impressed.

[The God-Realm]

Were you born in 1066 and fought all the crusades, fair knight?

No. I just been talking like this since I went to a medieval fair. I was really impressed.

Ah.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

No. I just been talking like this since I went to a medieval fair. I was really impressed.

Ah.

I knew you´d believe that.
Now seriously, I am a staunch catholic trying to deal with post-Vatican Council II´s ecumenism. It´s not been easy.
And English isn´t my native tongue. That may add to some confusion.

[The God-Realm]

Ah.

I knew you´d believe that.
Now seriously, I am a staunch catholic trying to deal with post-Vatican Council II´s ecumenism. It´s not been easy.
And English isn´t my native tongue. That may add to some confusion.

I feel ya bro, Gilmore is not as good as LaVey.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

I knew you´d believe that.
Now seriously, I am a staunch catholic trying to deal with post-Vatican Council II´s ecumenism. It´s not been easy.
And English isn´t my native tongue. That may add to some confusion.

I feel ya bro, Gilmore is not as good as LaVey.

I agree.
Too bad I haven´t the faintest idea what you´re talking about, but since when is understanding necessary ?

[Everywhere]

Why no poll option for Ahmadi/Ahmadiyyah?

[The God-Realm]

I feel ya bro, Gilmore is not as good as LaVey.

I agree.
Too bad I haven´t the faintest idea what you´re talking about, but since when is understanding necessary ?

I am talking about the High Priest of Satan's true minions, The LaVeyan Satanic Church.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

I agree.
Too bad I haven´t the faintest idea what you´re talking about, but since when is understanding necessary ?

I am talking about the High Priest of Satan's true minions, The LaVeyan Satanic Church.

Oh. Right....
Well, I have no fear of the Devil. I just follow the Church´s directives on that.
After all, I´m quite sure Pope Benedict XVI saw "The Exorcist".

[The God-Realm]

I am talking about the High Priest of Satan's true minions, The LaVeyan Satanic Church.

Oh. Right....
Well, I have no fear of the Devil. I just follow the Church´s directives on that.
After all, I´m quite sure Pope Benedict XVI saw "The Exorcist".

It is good that you do not fear Satan, he is not to be feared.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

Oh. Right....
Well, I have no fear of the Devil. I just follow the Church´s directives on that.
After all, I´m quite sure Pope Benedict XVI saw "The Exorcist".

It is good that you do not fear Satan, he is not to be feared.

Indeed he is not. But there are crazies who do commit atrocities in his name. Manson and the like...
Satan is to be feared not by his sorry self, but through the evil and wrong doing of Man.

[Samonaemia]

PEOPLE!!! This is a Muslim discussion thread, and not a catholic satanic medieval fair

[The God-Realm]

It is good that you do not fear Satan, he is not to be feared.

Indeed he is not. But there are crazies who do commit atrocities in his name. Manson and the like...
Satan is to be feared not by his sorry self, but through the evil and wrong doing of Man.

True, but Satan is also on the toilet alot.

[The God-Realm]

PEOPLE!!! This is a Muslim discussion thread, and not a catholic satanic medieval fair

Ok!

So can a non muslim enter Mecca at all?

[Samonaemia]

PEOPLE!!! This is a Muslim discussion thread, and not a catholic satanic medieval fair

Ok!

So can a non muslim enter Mecca at all?

The Saudis won't allow it. So no
They follow a more conservative sect of Islam, and believe that these areas should remain pure and untouched by by non-believers.

[The God-Realm]

Ok!

So can a non muslim enter Mecca at all?

The Saudis won't allow it. So no
They follow a more conservative sect of Islam, and believe that these areas should remain pure and untouched by by non-believers.

My dad told me it was beautiful, he has made the pilgrimage twice.

[Rio Cana]

Still no answer to my question from December 20. For anyone interested, go to page 30, its the first Post on that page.

[The God-Realm]

Still no answer to my question from December 20. For anyone interested, go to page 30, its the first Post on that page.

Because there are few of them.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Well, I didn't want to hurt Sufis in general, but the self-claimed ones living in my country are no different than untolerant conservatives. Konya is considered to be the center of Sufism where you can often see things about Sufism and its culture and traditions, but it has a predominantly bigotic population who never respects people who do not share the same life style with them (we call it Texas of Turkey)

Konya is surprising. I know I'm reaching back a hell of a long time ago (back to the 13-14th century in fact) but I can understand why ''fundamentalist" Sufism would have developed where the Ghazi principalities bordered Byzantine lands, because I know that the mysticism that developed in that frontier region was very militaristic. Note that I'm just speculating here and I'm thinking that if there is a tradition of militaristic or even ultra-conservative Turkish Sufism it is very plausible, to me at least, that it goes back to even Pre-Ottoman times.

But Konya if I recall correctly, is in Karaman, named after the Karamanid dynasty that ruled South Eastern Anatolia until the Osmanlis (Ottomans) conquered them. (Well, conquered and reconquered them; they briefly regained their independence after Timur decided to restore them to power after he defeated Bayezid I at Ankara, almost destroying the Ottoman Empire in the process...but I digress). While, as a rivial Islamic principality, they were obviously competitors to the Ottomans for a very long time, I know of no mystic frontier tradition that developed between the Karamanid-Ottoman borders.

The only other explanation I can think of would be that Konya might have been a stronghold of the "Devout Bourgeoisie". Was Konya ever a noted centre of pre-Industrial trade? If I recall correctly, the guild merchants of Turkey tended to be quite religious. They weren't Salaafis certainly, but they wete conservative in outlook whilst adding a pinch of mysticism and ritual to their business practices. Or is there another explanation for this?

(But you know, whatever one thinks of Turkish Sufism in terms of the prevalent outlooks of those who ascribe to it, those whirling dervish dances are very pretty).

Ok!

So can a non muslim enter Mecca at all?

The Saudis won't allow it. So no
They follow a more conservative sect of Islam, and believe that these areas should remain pure and untouched by by non-believers.

Madh'ab, not sect. Their sect is Sunni. But they follow the most strict school of the four main Sunni schools of fiqh. That is the Hanbali madh'ab...and they probably interpret it as strictly as they possibly can, when it comes to their domestic affairs. (The Ottomans in contrast followed the Hanafi Madh'ab officially, which is relatively more flexible than other schools of thought.)

[DogDoo 7]

Why no poll option for Ahmadi/Ahmadiyyah?

Because they're not Muslims. (Seriously, they're Muslim as much as Christians are Jews). There's a large community of them who are my neighbors though. Generally cool dudes with interesting religious views.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

PEOPLE!!! This is a Muslim discussion thread, and not a catholic satanic medieval fair

I guess that will rule out all discussion concerning the Satanic Verses then...
But you´re right. We did digress.

[Muridiyya]

Salam.^^

[Muridiyya]

nobody here?