Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[The Alma Mater]

So, Muslims can interpret their Quran the way they like? Not much different with Christianity.

Well they can't interpret the way they like, but generally when it comes down to laws in any regard, interpretation is always there.

As for Christianity I think the one fundamental difference is that Islam has a single unchanged book, whereas the Bible(which is not even a book itself but a book of books) has significant differences from sect to sect. This means that even Islamic sects still rely on a single text.

Not entirely true. While the Qu'ran is supposed to be the same, the hadiths accepted vary wildly.

[Personal Freedom]

Well they can't interpret the way they like, but generally when it comes down to laws in any regard, interpretation is always there.

As for Christianity I think the one fundamental difference is that Islam has a single unchanged book, whereas the Bible(which is not even a book itself but a book of books) has significant differences from sect to sect. This means that even Islamic sects still rely on a single text.

Not entirely true. While the Qu'ran is supposed to be the same, the hadiths accepted vary wildly.

This includes Quranism that rejects the hadiths entirely.

[United Russian Soviet States]

Islam thinks of God as fascist-like.

What does that even mean? How is God fascist-like?

Some Muslims think of God as being a fascist dictator. He is not that way.

[Personal Freedom]

What does that even mean? How is God fascist-like?

Some Muslims think of God as being a fascist dictator. He is not that way.

Some Christians think of God as a fascist dictator, moot point.

[Benuty]

Some Muslims think of God as being a fascist dictator. He is not that way.

So Christians think of God as a fascist dictator, moot point.

Generalizing religions combined that have a nice chunk of earths populace aside...what does Fascism have anything to do with religion let alone this outdated thread on Islam ?
*Outdated since the poll doesn't include sects at all.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

So Christians think of God as a fascist dictator, moot point.

Generalizing religions combined that have a nice chunk of earths populace aside...what does Fascism have anything to do with religion let alone this outdated thread on Islam ?
*Outdated since the poll doesn't include sects at all.

USRR decided it'd be a good idea to call Islam fascism and atheism communism and back it up with, you guessed it, nothing.

[New Neros]

Generalizing religions combined that have a nice chunk of earths populace aside...what does Fascism have anything to do with religion let alone this outdated thread on Islam ?
*Outdated since the poll doesn't include sects at all.

USRR decided it'd be a good idea to call Islam fascism and atheism communism and back it up with, you guessed it, nothing.

And hilariously, didn't the Fascists equate Communism with Zionism?

[United Russian Soviet States]

So Christians think of God as a fascist dictator, moot point.

Generalizing religions combined that have a nice chunk of earths populace aside...what does Fascism have anything to do with religion let alone this outdated thread on Islam ?
*Outdated since the poll doesn't include sects at all.

The only reason fascism came up is because someone wanted to ban alcohol in the name of Islam.

[Arkotania]

So when the US banned alcohol, was it a fascist regime?

Im sure fascism is not the correct adjective to be throwing around in that case. Authoritarian perhaps, but that would pretty much make every religion authoritarian.

[Kubra]

So when the US banned alcohol, was it a fascist regime?

Im sure fascism is not the correct adjective to be throwing around in that case. Authoritarian perhaps, but that would pretty much make every religion authoritarian.

in all unseriousness, it may as well have been.

[The Archregimancy]

Well they can't interpret the way they like, but generally when it comes down to laws in any regard, interpretation is always there.

As for Christianity I think the one fundamental difference is that Islam has a single unchanged book, whereas the Bible(which is not even a book itself but a book of books) has significant differences from sect to sect. This means that even Islamic sects still rely on a single text.

Not entirely true. While the Qu'ran is supposed to be the same, the hadiths accepted vary wildly.

Islam only has a single unchallenged version of the Quran because Uthman burned the variants when he ordered the formation of a single canonical text out of the oral traditions of Muhammed's revelations some 20 years after the death of the Prophet [PBUH].

This contrasts with Christianity where no single political authority existed for believers when the oral traditions were written down in definitive form some 30-60 years after the death of Jesus of Nazareth [PBUH].

So at the risk of oversimplification in a short NSG post, the reason why Islam has a single version of its core text, and Christianity has four Gospels is that when the latter were written down, Islam was a united self-ruling political body; Christianity was a scattered community of believers with little or no political power.

Though among non-Muslim historians, there's an interesting debate over whether the Uthmanic revisions are a true reflection of the original revelation, or to what extent interpolation, discarding, and editing took place across variant traditions when the written text took definitive form.

I mean no offence by noting that this debate exists; it's possible to acknowledge the debate while differing over the interpretation thereof. After all, a Muslim scholar would likely argue that even if some minor editing took place, these simply accurately reflect the true will of Allah.

[United Russian Soviet States]

So when the US banned alcohol, was it a fascist regime?

Im sure fascism is not the correct adjective to be throwing around in that case. Authoritarian perhaps, but that would pretty much make every religion authoritarian.

It was not.

[Jinwoy]

So when the US banned alcohol, was it a fascist regime?

Im sure fascism is not the correct adjective to be throwing around in that case. Authoritarian perhaps, but that would pretty much make every religion authoritarian.

It was not.

The act itself was an overarching central government (BIG EBUL GUBERNET), and it worked out so finely that they didn't reverse the decision at all!

[New Neros]

It was not.

The act itself was an overarching central government (BIG EBUL GUBERNET), and it worked out so finely that they didn't reverse the decision at all!

It would have worked wonders if Americans didn't particularly like alcohol.

[Jinwoy]

The act itself was an overarching central government (BIG EBUL GUBERNET), and it worked out so finely that they didn't reverse the decision at all!

It would have worked wonders if Americans didn't particularly like alcohol.

too bad first worlders generally like alcohol. I don't see why its worth banning and enforcing like some Muslims want.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

It was not.

The act itself was an overarching central government (BIG EBUL GUBERNET), and it worked out so finely that they didn't reverse the decision at all!

To split hairs here, you can't really call it a Government overreach as it was well within the powers of the Goverment to do via several Enumerated Powers. Was it a mistake? Absolutely. A likely consipiracy so that people could profit of the illegal sale? Probably. Overreaching? No.

[FutureAmerica]

It is not the religion that is good or bad. It is the people that use religion to justify killing that is bad.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

I'm sure this is a hackneyed question, but its an interesting one. What do NSG muslims think of Sharia Law? If you're supportive of it, how strict should interpretations of Sharia law be?

[Nemo2020]

Question, under the caliphate, are people allowed to believe whatever they want as long as they pay a non-Muslim tax? Or only Jews and Christians are allowed to practice their religions, the others must be forcefully converted or slaughtered en masse(Surah 9:5)? Especially explain the situation about the atheists, can they be allowed to live freely as long as they pay the non-Muslim tax(what you call it, "djeesyah")?

[Ereria]

Question, under the caliphate, are people allowed to believe whatever they want as long as they pay a non-Muslim tax? Or only Jews and Christians are allowed to practice their religions, the others must be forcefully converted or slaughtered en masse(Surah 9:5)? Especially explain the situation about the atheists, can they be allowed to live freely as long as they pay the non-Muslim tax(what you call it, "djeesyah")?

You have taken surah 9:5 completely out of context, I can't be assed to tell the story go find it out your self if youre interested.

There is only really 3 religions ''allowed'' by muslims, which is the 3 abrahamic religions. Christians and Jews just pay the tax because they don't have to pay the welfare to poor people so it sort of evens out because muslims have to. If you are say atheist, it isn't upto us muslims to behead you or judge you, but you would be excluded from the community (If we are talking about a strict muslim community that is, in for example my country Turkey, no one would really care except your family), but it is clearly told in the Quran that if you don't believe in god, you will be sent to hell. I for one just say live as you want and we will all find out one day if our gods are real or not and then it will be too late so I choose to be a believer now and live my life as a nice as possible person and maybe be awarded with paradise than not. I don't lose anything to be honest.

[The Alma Mater]

Question, under the caliphate, are people allowed to believe whatever they want as long as they pay a non-Muslim tax? Or only Jews and Christians are allowed to practice their religions, the others must be forcefully converted or slaughtered en masse(Surah 9:5)? Especially explain the situation about the atheists, can they be allowed to live freely as long as they pay the non-Muslim tax(what you call it, "djeesyah")?

You have taken surah 9:5 completely out of context, I can't be assed to tell the story go find it out your self if youre interested.

There is only really 3 religions ''allowed'' by muslims, which is the 3 abrahamic religions. Christians and Jews just pay the tax because they don't have to pay the welfare to poor people so it sort of evens out because muslims have to. If you are say atheist, it isn't upto us muslims to behead you or judge you, but you would be excluded from the community (If we are talking about a strict muslim community that is, in for example my country Turkey, no one would really care except your family), but it is clearly told in the Quran that if you don't believe in god, you will be sent to hell. I for one just say live as you want and we will all find out one day if our gods are real or not and then it will be too late so I choose to be a believer now and live my life as a nice as possible person and maybe be awarded with paradise than not. I don't lose anything to be honest.

Unless, of course, the real God is a jealous God and will make you suffer vastly more for worshipping "the wrong guy"
And of course Pascals wager has vastly more problems - which are only a google away.

[Untaroicht]

Question, under the caliphate, are people allowed to believe whatever they want as long as they pay a non-Muslim tax? Or only Jews and Christians are allowed to practice their religions, the others must be forcefully converted or slaughtered en masse(Surah 9:5)? Especially explain the situation about the atheists, can they be allowed to live freely as long as they pay the non-Muslim tax(what you call it, "djeesyah")?

You have taken surah 9:5 completely out of context, I can't be assed to tell the story go find it out your self if youre interested.

There is only really 3 religions ''allowed'' by muslims, which is the 3 abrahamic religions. Christians and Jews just pay the tax because they don't have to pay the welfare to poor people so it sort of evens out because muslims have to. If you are say atheist, it isn't upto us muslims to behead you or judge you, but you would be excluded from the community (If we are talking about a strict muslim community that is, in for example my country Turkey, no one would really care except your family), but it is clearly told in the Quran that if you don't believe in god, you will be sent to hell. I for one just say live as you want and we will all find out one day if our gods are real or not and then it will be too late so I choose to be a believer now and live my life as a nice as possible person and maybe be awarded with paradise than not. I don't lose anything to be honest.

So Zoroastrians, people who follow the indian religions (Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, etc.), Pagans, and others have a death sentence under Sharia?

[United Russian Soviet States]

Question, under the caliphate, are people allowed to believe whatever they want as long as they pay a non-Muslim tax? Or only Jews and Christians are allowed to practice their religions, the others must be forcefully converted or slaughtered en masse(Surah 9:5)? Especially explain the situation about the atheists, can they be allowed to live freely as long as they pay the non-Muslim tax(what you call it, "djeesyah")?

You have taken surah 9:5 completely out of context, I can't be assed to tell the story go find it out your self if youre interested.

There is only really 3 religions ''allowed'' by muslims, which is the 3 abrahamic religions. Christians and Jews just pay the tax because they don't have to pay the welfare to poor people so it sort of evens out because muslims have to. If you are say atheist, it isn't upto us muslims to behead you or judge you, but you would be excluded from the community (If we are talking about a strict muslim community that is, in for example my country Turkey, no one would really care except your family), but it is clearly told in the Quran that if you don't believe in god, you will be sent to hell. I for one just say live as you want and we will all find out one day if our gods are real or not and then it will be too late so I choose to be a believer now and live my life as a nice as possible person and maybe be awarded with paradise than not. I don't lose anything to be honest.

My God allows atheists into heaven.

[Jinwoy]

My muslim friend told me not to ask any questions here, but I need an explanation:

Surah 19:27-28: "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented. O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."
But a few verses later, 19:30: Jesus said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

That verse quite clearly refers to the Virgin Mary, but the Sister of Aaron was Myriam, who was the daughter of Imran and the sister of the Prophet Moses (PBUH). How can this be? This is an egregious mistake to make, but it surely must have some explanation?

[Ereria]

You have taken surah 9:5 completely out of context, I can't be assed to tell the story go find it out your self if youre interested.

There is only really 3 religions ''allowed'' by muslims, which is the 3 abrahamic religions. Christians and Jews just pay the tax because they don't have to pay the welfare to poor people so it sort of evens out because muslims have to. If you are say atheist, it isn't upto us muslims to behead you or judge you, but you would be excluded from the community (If we are talking about a strict muslim community that is, in for example my country Turkey, no one would really care except your family), but it is clearly told in the Quran that if you don't believe in god, you will be sent to hell. I for one just say live as you want and we will all find out one day if our gods are real or not and then it will be too late so I choose to be a believer now and live my life as a nice as possible person and maybe be awarded with paradise than not. I don't lose anything to be honest.

Unless, of course, the real God is a jealous God and will make you suffer vastly more for worshipping "the wrong guy"
And of course Pascals wager has vastly more problems - which are only a google away.

I guess?

So Zoroastrians, people who follow the indian religions (Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, etc.), Pagans, and others have a death sentence under Sharia?

No, you wouldn't be sentenced to death under Qurans rules and punishments, you would have just been an outcast from rest of the society. I don't follow the Sharia Law as it was written after Muhammads death. I only believe in the Quran.

My God allows atheists into heaven.

That's nice of him. In the end of the day I my self believe god is a wise old man with some humor that understands and aren't as strict as we think he is. I think he is watching us and having a laugh once in a while and loves us all, even if you are atheist. In Islam we believe that it isn't god that sentences you to hell (he could, he is almighty and can basically do whatever he wants, but doesn't), but that you remove your self from him and then the devil/jinns take you to hell.