Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[Islamic Commune]

Virana: May I know where you come from, please? I am curious.

Anyhow, it is awful you had to go through that. If Saudi Arabians are racist, it is certainly not within the ethics of Islam to do so.

The only proof a Muslim could give is the testimony of faith (Belief in one God and Muhammad as the messenger). Even if it not what the person truly believes, it is external proof. The intention of people are for God to judge only.

May I ask what the proof is that they were looking for?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Most Moslem nations, it seems, are thoroughly backwards, and seem to revel in their own backwardness, rather then try to press on forward to modernity. There is a shamelessness about their kind.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Most Moslem nations, it seems, are thoroughly backwards, and seem to revel in their own backwardness, rather then try to press on forward to modernity. There is a shamelessness about their kind.

"their kind"?

[Kemalist]

Well how do you know if someone's a Muslim or not? One cannot possibly read the intentions of an individual. If someone really wanted to visit the Qa'aba, they could claim to be a Muslim, and because Islam is not an identity based upon cultural, ethnic or national identities, they cannot claim that you are not. (And if they are, they are racist and should have no authority over these kinds of things)

I think the intention behind this so called, "Restriction" is so that people don't go and take tourist photos wearing beachwear near the epicentre of the Islamic religion.

Personally, I would allow anyone to visit Mecca on the condition that they wear and eat the same as other Muslims do when they visit.

It's Saudi Arabia, dude. They don't care about being racist.

I'm Muslim and had to show proof of being Muslim when applying for an Umrah visa before going to Saudi Arabia. I can't remember what exactly they did at the checkpoint when we were entering the city, but I'm pretty sure they looked at my Umrah visa and considered that to be reasonable evidence that I was Muslim. Saudi Arabia, as far as I know, doesn't really grant traditional tourism visas, so it's difficult for non-Muslims to enter the country in the first place.

I do remember there were highway signs on the way in that mandated Non-Muslims to go on the Mecca "bypass" rather than being allowed into the city.

Are tourists allowed to drink in Saudi Arabia?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

It's Saudi Arabia, dude. They don't care about being racist.

I'm Muslim and had to show proof of being Muslim when applying for an Umrah visa before going to Saudi Arabia. I can't remember what exactly they did at the checkpoint when we were entering the city, but I'm pretty sure they looked at my Umrah visa and considered that to be reasonable evidence that I was Muslim. Saudi Arabia, as far as I know, doesn't really grant traditional tourism visas, so it's difficult for non-Muslims to enter the country in the first place.

I do remember there were highway signs on the way in that mandated Non-Muslims to go on the Mecca "bypass" rather than being allowed into the city.

Are tourists allowed to drink in Saudi Arabia?

http://wikitravel.org/en/Saudi_Arabia#Alcohol

"A foreigner may not get the sentence a local would, but can expect a few days or weeks jail, public flogging, and deportation."

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Most Moslem nations, it seems, are thoroughly backwards, and seem to revel in their own backwardness, rather then try to press on forward to modernity. There is a shamelessness about their kind.

"their kind"?

Their kind, Moslems, followers of the teaching of Mahomet.

[Stahlarev]

Actually our religion is filled with a lot of xenophobes
Sadly.

I'm not an religious person but uh, the religion doesn't teach closed-mindedness and racism.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Most Moslem nations, it seems, are thoroughly backwards, and seem to revel in their own backwardness, rather then try to press on forward to modernity. There is a shamelessness about their kind.

You advocate the most all the best ultra backwardness for the Western world ever known, traditionalist Roman Catholicism.

You shouldn't go complaining or accusing.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

"their kind"?

Their kind, Moslems, followers of the teaching of Mahomet.

So, my kind.
I have shamelessness?
Huh.
How? What did I do to earn such hatred from you?
What did the majority of my brothers and sisters do to gain such deep disdain from you when we go about our lives not hurting anyone?

[Streetgrind]

Most Moslem nations, it seems, are thoroughly backwards, and seem to revel in their own backwardness, rather then try to press on forward to modernity. There is a shamelessness about their kind.

So let me get this straight-

You post an incredibly ignorant, anti-Islam sentiment on a majority Muslim/Muslim ally thread. What do you expect to happen, that they'll stop being a stereotype they never were? Do you expect to be lauded and praised for your incredible perception skills because clearly what you see must be true. What was going through your head? Was anything going through there? I seriously doubt it.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Most Moslem nations, it seems, are thoroughly backwards, and seem to revel in their own backwardness, rather then try to press on forward to modernity. There is a shamelessness about their kind.

So let me get this straight-

You post an incredibly ignorant, anti-Islam sentiment on a majority Muslim/Muslim ally thread. What do you expect to happen, that they'll stop being a stereotype they never were? Do you expect to be lauded and praised for your incredible perception skills because clearly what you see must be true. What was going through your head? Was anything going through there? I seriously doubt it.

Christian conservatives sometimes often have an intellectual dissonance that makes me doubt of their intelligence altogether.

[Puerto Tyranus]

Most Moslem nations, it seems, are thoroughly backwards, and seem to revel in their own backwardness, rather then try to press on forward to modernity. There is a shamelessness about their kind.

You advocate the most all the best ultra backwardness for the Western world ever known, traditionalist Roman Catholicism.

You shouldn't go complaining or accusing.

Wait...when you say traditionalist, do you mean pre-Counter-Reformation or pre-Vatican II?

At any rate, they only seem backwards to you, Nationes Pii Redivivi, due to your own Western background. I have little doubt that to the ARABIAN nations, because you don't seem to understand that Islam is a world religion, you are the backwards one. Also your general religious and cultural intolerance would make you backwards to several western nations as well.

[Sun Wukong]

"their kind"?

Their kind, Moslems, followers of the teaching of Mahomet.

Is their a reason for the vaguely-insulting anachronism?

[Cyraeneca]

Their kind, Moslems, followers of the teaching of Mahomet.

Is their a reason for the vaguely-insulting anachronism?

Perhaps a way of signaling that their mentality, like their spelling, is stuck somewhere in the 16th century?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You advocate the most all the best ultra backwardness for the Western world ever known, traditionalist Roman Catholicism.

You shouldn't go complaining or accusing.

Wait...when you say traditionalist, do you mean pre-Counter-Reformation or pre-Vatican II?

At any rate, they only seem backwards to you, Nationes Pii Redivivi, due to your own Western background. I have little doubt that to the ARABIAN nations, because you don't seem to understand that Islam is a world religion, you are the backwards one. Also your general religious and cultural intolerance would make you backwards to several western nations as well.

WTF you are talking about.

[Puerto Tyranus]

Wait...when you say traditionalist, do you mean pre-Counter-Reformation or pre-Vatican II?

At any rate, they only seem backwards to you, Nationes Pii Redivivi, due to your own Western background. I have little doubt that to the ARABIAN nations, because you don't seem to understand that Islam is a world religion, you are the backwards one. Also your general religious and cultural intolerance would make you backwards to several western nations as well.

WTF you are talking about.

Well, you said Taditionalist, so I was curious as to which group of traditionalist Catholics you were referring to. We have the guys who stay with the Pre-Counter-Reformation views (who are a fairly small minority) and those guys who deny the legitimacy of Vatican II...you know, this is an Islam/Muslim Discussion thread, if you're actually curious, I'd be glad to explain through a Telegram.

Moving on, I want to know when the Arabian nations became so hostile to Jerusalem, because I know that the old Muslim Empires got along fairly well with their Jewish populations...is it France's fault for drawing lines on a map they had no intention of enforcing?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Well, you said Taditionalist, so I was curious as to which group of traditionalist Catholics you were referring to. We have the guys who stay with the Pre-Counter-Reformation views (who are a fairly small minority) and those guys who deny the legitimacy of Vatican II...you know, this is an Islam/Muslim Discussion thread, if you're actually curious, I'd be glad to explain through a Telegram.

Moving on, I want to know when the Arabian nations became so hostile to Jerusalem, because I know that the old Muslim Empires got along fairly well with their Jewish populations...is it France's fault for drawing lines on a map they had no intention of enforcing?

My point was I'm not Nationes Pii whatever, I'm not Catholic, and why the hell would I be backward compared to Arabs.

And the Palestine was a British Mandate.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Most Moslem nations, it seems, are thoroughly backwards, and seem to revel in their own backwardness, rather then try to press on forward to modernity. There is a shamelessness about their kind.

So let me get this straight-

You post an incredibly ignorant, anti-Islam sentiment on a majority Muslim/Muslim ally thread. What do you expect to happen, that they'll stop being a stereotype they never were? Do you expect to be lauded and praised for your incredible perception skills because clearly what you see must be true. What was going through your head? Was anything going through there? I seriously doubt it.

And which part of my statement is incorrect, pray? A religion where people still riot over newspaper doodles and the idea of woman being more than producers of children is worthy of nothing but contempt. Does it matter that not all of them are so, when a good thousand take to the street and demand the blood of the cartoonists and the immediate instillation of their barbaric religious laws in nations that barely have any moslem population? If these savages demand to be treated with civility, they must first learn to be civilised.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Most Moslem nations, it seems, are thoroughly backwards, and seem to revel in their own backwardness, rather then try to press on forward to modernity. There is a shamelessness about their kind.

You advocate the most all the best ultra backwardness for the Western world ever known, traditionalist Roman Catholicism.

You shouldn't go complaining or accusing.

And how did you manage to deduce my papistry from my post?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Their kind, Moslems, followers of the teaching of Mahomet.

So, my kind.
I have shamelessness?
Huh.
How? What did I do to earn such hatred from you?
What did the majority of my brothers and sisters do to gain such deep disdain from you when we go about our lives not hurting anyone?

Stoning women, rioting over some pictures, demanding the blood of anyone insulting your religion, other such savagry...and you people wonder why you have earned the enimity of the world.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

So, my kind.
I have shamelessness?
Huh.
How? What did I do to earn such hatred from you?
What did the majority of my brothers and sisters do to gain such deep disdain from you when we go about our lives not hurting anyone?

Stoning women, rioting over some pictures, demanding the blood of anyone insulting your religion, other such savagry...and you people wonder why you have earned the enimity of the world.

Yes we all do that.
Especially me.
I stone people all the time. And boy, the riots I've been in. And I have called for the murder if like everyone. So many dead people, all my doing.

[Stahlarev]

So, my kind.
I have shamelessness?
Huh.
How? What did I do to earn such hatred from you?
What did the majority of my brothers and sisters do to gain such deep disdain from you when we go about our lives not hurting anyone?

Stoning women, rioting over some pictures, demanding the blood of anyone insulting your religion, other such savagry...and you people wonder why you have earned the enimity of the world.

Unfortunately, he's right.
Though there are civilized muslims, there are so frustratingly rare.
I really wish it wasn't like this, but it is.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You advocate the most all the best ultra backwardness for the Western world ever known, traditionalist Roman Catholicism.

You shouldn't go complaining or accusing.

And how did you manage to deduce my papistry from my post?

I've seen you in other threads.

You are pretty radically conservative for Western standards.

This place has secularized and liberal Westerners who are Muslims. And people of Muslim background who aren't even religious anymore from Muslim-majority countries. Your prejudiced statements here are just talking to the wind.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Stoning women, rioting over some pictures, demanding the blood of anyone insulting your religion, other such savagry...and you people wonder why you have earned the enimity of the world.

Unfortunately, he's right.
Though there are civilized muslims, there are so frustratingly rare.
I really wish it wasn't like this, but it is.

Are you fucking serious

[Allentyr]

Salaam Alaykum. A caliphate can be achieve inshallah if Iran invades Iraq & Azerbaijan. Than Syria,Lebanon, and Palestine unifey and sing a treaty with Iran for annexation.Than Iran invades Pakistan. After this a majority of the Muslims would be united and in the Pacific Brunie,Malasyia,Indonesia and other Muslim autnoumus regions in The Philipeanse and Thailand gain independence they can form "The Pacific Caliphate" than Iranian invasion of Kashmir and Punjab in India than Iranian invasion of Afghanistan & Tajikistan. Than if Inshallah Iran & Russia meet an agreement over control of North Caucasia Iran could annex this. Than of course an invasion of Jordan than Saudi Arabia. UAE would defect to Iran with Bahrin an Qatar. Oman would follow too with Yemen. Now we got the Iranian Shia Caliphate where Mekkah is the capitol. In Europe Bosnian & Albania could unify. Than in Africa Somalia would Unfiey with Egypt Libya Eritha and Djibouti. And than Algeria Tunisa and Morrocco form one Repblic and the Libyian/Egpytian/Horn of African nation would Unite invade Mali. I am a Shia Muslim and proud of it.

NO. NO NO NO NO.

Countries ( and empires, whatever ) should be ruled secularly. Leaders should lead for their people, not their religion.