Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

We don't worship it we face it

Sure.

Do you know what Tawheed is how dare you accuse me of worshiping the Kaaba

[Jochistan]

You're praying towards a spiritual center of a religious community. The intent is not to worship the Kaaba.

The intent is not. But at least the way it is currently done could be questioned. It sure looks like many lose the intent.

Many do.

That happens once you commercialize the city around it.

[Jochistan]

You're praying towards a spiritual center of a religious community. The intent is not to worship the Kaaba.

I've seen pictures of the hajj. They flock to it, trampling each other, circle it repeatedly, kissing and touching and venerating the black rock. Just as the pagans did. It certainly looks like idol worship, and it certainly functions like idol worship.

Probably because it's idol worship.

But you don't worship the stone any more than you worship the wailing wall or any such symbolic holy place.

[Novus America]

The intent is not. But at least the way it is currently done could be questioned. It sure looks like many lose the intent.

Many do.

That happens once you commercialize the city around it.

Sure. It has become a Wahhabi Disney World theme park catering to the rich. Hardly what I think Muhammad would have wanted.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Mekkah has literally the entire population of Tajikistan visiting it once a year the city needs to be renovated and more hotels built to accommodate more worshipers.

[Jochistan]

Many do.

That happens once you commercialize the city around it.

Sure. It has become a Wahhabi Disney World theme park catering to the rich. Hardly what I think Muhammad would have wanted.

I don't think they care much seeing how they destroyed his house to pit up a mall.

Expanding the city is one thing. But making it a marketplace at the expense of relics of Islamic heritage is quite another.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Many do.

That happens once you commercialize the city around it.

Sure. It has become a Wahhabi Disney World theme park catering to the rich. Hardly what I think Muhammad would have wanted.

His companions are the one's who began expanding Mekkah and built the Mosque, each ruler of Mekkah has added to it to make it easier to access and allow for more worshipers.

[Novus America]

Sure. It has become a Wahhabi Disney World theme park catering to the rich. Hardly what I think Muhammad would have wanted.

His companions are the one's who began expanding Mekkah and built the Mosque, each ruler of Mekkah has added to it to make it easier to access and allow for more worshipers.

Allowing more worshippers is one thing. Exploiting them is another. Did his companions build mega malls with luxury brands? Ridiculously over priced tacky Vegas like luxury hotels?

Money and earthly power has become the idols worshipped by the Saudi government.

[Novus America]

Sure. It has become a Wahhabi Disney World theme park catering to the rich. Hardly what I think Muhammad would have wanted.

I don't think they care much seeing how they destroyed his house to pit up a mall.

Expanding the city is one thing. But making it a marketplace at the expense of relics of Islamic heritage is quite another.

Sure. Saudi Arabia has changed the statement of faith. "Power is the one true God, and money is his profit. (Pun intended).

[Novus America]

I've seen pictures of the hajj. They flock to it, trampling each other, circle it repeatedly, kissing and touching and venerating the black rock. Just as the pagans did. It certainly looks like idol worship, and it certainly functions like idol worship.

Probably because it's idol worship.

But you don't worship the stone any more than you worship the wailing wall or any such symbolic holy place.

Sure. But the Israeli government has not commercialized it either.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

His companions are the one's who began expanding Mekkah and built the Mosque, each ruler of Mekkah has added to it to make it easier to access and allow for more worshipers.

Allowing more worshippers is one thing. Exploiting them is another. Did his companions build mega malls with luxury brands? Ridiculously over priced tacky Vegas like luxury hotels?

Money and earthly power has become the idols worshipped by the Saudi government.

Outside of Masjid Al Haraam it was known as a center of trade amongst Bedouin Arab traders from Yemen and Syria. They would sell the best dates and the finest of Thawbs and Turbans.

[Vistulange]

Allowing more worshippers is one thing. Exploiting them is another. Did his companions build mega malls with luxury brands? Ridiculously over priced tacky Vegas like luxury hotels?

Money and earthly power has become the idols worshipped by the Saudi government.

Outside of Masjid Al Haraam it was known as a center of trade amongst Bedouin Arab traders from Yemen and Syria. They would sell the best dates and the finest of Thawbs and Turbans.

Whenever you post, I swear I feel like I'm reading a very badly translated version of the Quran.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Outside of Masjid Al Haraam it was known as a center of trade amongst Bedouin Arab traders from Yemen and Syria. They would sell the best dates and the finest of Thawbs and Turbans.

Whenever you post, I swear I feel like I'm reading a very badly translated version of the Quran.

Im choosing to take that as a complement even though I'm sure it isn't.

[Novus America]

Allowing more worshippers is one thing. Exploiting them is another. Did his companions build mega malls with luxury brands? Ridiculously over priced tacky Vegas like luxury hotels?

Money and earthly power has become the idols worshipped by the Saudi government.

Outside of Masjid Al Haraam it was known as a center of trade amongst Bedouin Arab traders from Yemen and Syria. They would sell the best dates and the finest of Thawbs and Turbans.

Nobody said there could be no trade. There is a different between trade, and destroying everything to make a theme park to the super rich while the poor literally die.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Outside of Masjid Al Haraam it was known as a center of trade amongst Bedouin Arab traders from Yemen and Syria. They would sell the best dates and the finest of Thawbs and Turbans.

Nobody said there could be no trade. There is a different between trade, and destroying everything to make a theme park to the super rich while the poor literally die.

They didn't destroy too many important things.

[Novus America]

Nobody said there could be no trade. There is a different between trade, and destroying everything to make a theme park to the super rich while the poor literally die.

They didn't destroy too many important things.

Historical preservation means nothing I guess. Pretty much whey thing built in Muhmmads time has been destoyed. Which is interesting. We should emulate Muhammad by destroying everything building he built or was built in his time?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

They didn't destroy too many important things.

Historical preservation means nothing I guess. Pretty much whey thing built in Muhmmads time has been destoyed. Which is interesting. We should emulate Muhammad by destroying everything building he built or was built in his time?

He would have done the same thing he was a man of the people if it benefited them he would do it.

[Novus America]

Historical preservation means nothing I guess. Pretty much whey thing built in Muhmmads time has been destoyed. Which is interesting. We should emulate Muhammad by destroying everything building he built or was built in his time?

He would have done the same thing he was a man of the people if it benefited them he would do it.

Yes. Cause palaces, Ferrari dealerships, Louis Vuitton stores and outrageously expensive hotels are for the people...
Saudis such men of the people in cruise ship sized mega yachts.

The people literally die while the rich take their money.

[Sanctissima]

He would have done the same thing he was a man of the people if it benefited them he would do it.

Yes. Cause palaces, Ferrari dealerships, Louis Vuitton stores and outrageously expensive hotels are for the people...
Saudis such men of the people in cruise ship sized mega yachts.

The people literally die while the rich take their money.

Nevermind the fact that they literally named the damn country after themselves. That requires a pretty massive level of narcissism.

[Novus America]

Yes. Cause palaces, Ferrari dealerships, Louis Vuitton stores and outrageously expensive hotels are for the people...
Saudis such men of the people in cruise ship sized mega yachts.

The people literally die while the rich take their money.

Nevermind the fact that they literally named the damn country after themselves. That requires a pretty massive level of narcissism.

It is like a family of all Donald Trumps... Pretending to be Muslims instead of US republicans.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Yes. Cause palaces, Ferrari dealerships, Louis Vuitton stores and outrageously expensive hotels are for the people...
Saudis such men of the people in cruise ship sized mega yachts.

The people literally die while the rich take their money.

Nevermind the fact that they literally named the damn country after themselves. That requires a pretty massive level of narcissism.

So did the Abbassids, Ottomans, and Umayyads.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

He would have done the same thing he was a man of the people if it benefited them he would do it.

Yes. Cause palaces, Ferrari dealerships, Louis Vuitton stores and outrageously expensive hotels are for the people...
Saudis such men of the people in cruise ship sized mega yachts.

The people literally die while the rich take their money.

It helps the Saudi economy which helps the Islamic world.

[Novus America]

Yes. Cause palaces, Ferrari dealerships, Louis Vuitton stores and outrageously expensive hotels are for the people...
Saudis such men of the people in cruise ship sized mega yachts.

The people literally die while the rich take their money.

It helps the Saudi economy which helps the Islamic world.

No, it helps the rich get richer.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/j ... inequality
http://time.com/3679537/rich-nation-poo ... di-arabia/

Men of the people eh?

[The balkens]

Yes. Cause palaces, Ferrari dealerships, Louis Vuitton stores and outrageously expensive hotels are for the people...
Saudis such men of the people in cruise ship sized mega yachts.

The people literally die while the rich take their money.

It helps the Saudi economy which helps the Islamic world.

Heh, help.

as in do jack shit.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

It helps the Saudi economy which helps the Islamic world.

Heh, help.

as in do jack shit.

Giving the revolutionaries in Syria money and equipment to end Assadist tyranny, sending millions of dollars to Syrian citizens and Gaza citizens, and building Mosques across the globe are a few examples.