Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

I'm sorry that that was the spurring of your conversion, but I am so happy to welcome you to Islam. What brought you to learn about our religion?

I started to read alot about it becouse of the terror attacks, then i found out that the religion is totally different. last week i've been to Egypt and had lots of good conversations with the people there about the Islam. I was already thinking about becoming Muslim but now i'm sure about it

Subhanallah. I'm glad you could see past the lies spread by media and bad scholars and see how peaceful Islam is and how loving God is.

[Kemalist]

Such as? I don't think any of the abrahamic religions like homosexuals. By the way; afaik while Islam strictly condemns homosexual activities between men; it doesn't say anything about lesbians. Must be to do with it being an androcentric religion.

Protestantism,
Shinto,
Hinduism,
Probably more.

Since when Protesntantism is a different religion? it's a part of the Christianity. And Shinto, Hinduism and such religions do not have a certain written book telling its disciples what to or not to do.

[Kemalist]

Protestantism,
Shinto,
Hinduism,
Probably more.

Quite so.

It's also interesting to note that the majority of the world's Christian (both Protestant and Catholic), Jewish, and Buddhist nations have support gay rights at votes in the United Nations for example.

It must be because they are not that religious at all. Did you try to ask the conservative population of Israel? or some orthodox nations such as Armenians?

It's all about conservatism. Turkey as a Muslim-majority also voted in favour of that in the UN but that's not the point. Conservatism is more popular amongst Muslim people, that's the only difference.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Protestantism,
Shinto,
Hinduism,
Probably more.

Since when Protesntantism is a different religion? it's a part of the Christianity. And Shinto, Hinduism and such religions do not have a certain written book telling its disciples what to or not to do.

It is not a different religion, just a different sect of Christianity. And neither Shinto or Hindu followers are ever seen promoting homophobia.

[Kemalist]

Since when Protesntantism is a different religion? it's a part of the Christianity. And Shinto, Hinduism and such religions do not have a certain written book telling its disciples what to or not to do.

It is not a different religion, just a different sect of Christianity. And neither Shinto or Hindu followers are ever seen promoting homophobia.

And yet the Bible does not seem to support homosexual relations. As I said the Shinto and Hindu are different because they don't written books and set of laws and rules or something. They are made of traditional practises and such.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

It is not a different religion, just a different sect of Christianity. And neither Shinto or Hindu followers are ever seen promoting homophobia.

And yet the Bible does not seem to support homosexual relations.

The Old Testament, which a lot of Christians do not follow.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Protestantism,
Shinto,
Hinduism,
Probably more.

Quite so.

It's also interesting to note that the majority of the world's Christian (both Protestant and Catholic), Jewish, and Buddhist nations have support gay rights at votes in the United Nations for example.

A lot of countries theoretically support gay rights, then hold very different policies in practise.

Example 1, majority Christian nation South Africa and its loving practise of corrective rape.

[Australasia]

Quite so.

It's also interesting to note that the majority of the world's Christian (both Protestant and Catholic), Jewish, and Buddhist nations have support gay rights at votes in the United Nations for example.

A lot of countries theoretically support gay rights, then hold very different policies in practise.

Example 1, majority Christian nation South Africa and its loving practise of corrective rape.

Yes, I'm talking about the law & the official positions of governments.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

A lot of countries theoretically support gay rights, then hold very different policies in practise.

Example 1, majority Christian nation South Africa and its loving practise of corrective rape.

Yes, I'm talking about the law & the official positions of governments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Zambia

[Kemalist]

And yet the Bible does not seem to support homosexual relations.

The Old Testament, which a lot of Christians do not follow.

I can find lots of stuff from the New Testament. With a quick search I found one in Corinthians 6:9

[Fascist Russian Empire]

The Old Testament, which a lot of Christians do not follow.

I can find lots of stuff from the New Testament. With a quick search I found one in Corinthians 6:9

The point is that not all Christians are homophobic.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I can find lots of stuff from the New Testament. With a quick search I found one in Corinthians 6:9

The point is that not all Christians are homophobic.

Neither are all Muslims nor all Jews.

[Australasia]

Quite so.

It's also interesting to note that the majority of the world's Christian (both Protestant and Catholic), Jewish, and Buddhist nations have support gay rights at votes in the United Nations for example.

It must be because they are not that religious at all. Did you try to ask the conservative population of Israel? or some orthodox nations such as Armenians?

It's all about conservatism. Turkey as a Muslim-majority also voted in favour of that in the UN but that's not the point. Conservatism is more popular amongst Muslim people, that's the only difference.

Brazil? Argentina? Quite religious wouldn't you say?

It's to do with education more than religion in the end anyway. A religious educated person is likely to be more pro-equality than an uneducated irreligious one.

[Olivaero]

The Old Testament, which a lot of Christians do not follow.

I can find lots of stuff from the New Testament. With a quick search I found one in Corinthians 6:9

Better tell the Anglican communion that with their Gay clergy.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I can find lots of stuff from the New Testament. With a quick search I found one in Corinthians 6:9

Better tell the Anglican communion that with their Gay clergy.

They changed their minds and adapted to the times, and thank God for that.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Better tell the Anglican communion that with their Gay clergy.

They changed their minds and adapted to the times, and thank God for that.

As have most Lutheran sects, who don't give in to outdated homophobia.

[Kemalist]

I can find lots of stuff from the New Testament. With a quick search I found one in Corinthians 6:9

Better tell the Anglican communion that with their Gay clergy.

What about the Gay mosque in France? you don't get my point.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

In Albania, there was talk of legalising gay marriage (they're majority Muslim), though it was never followed through on because Albania has a host of other shit to deal with.

[Kemalist]

I can find lots of stuff from the New Testament. With a quick search I found one in Corinthians 6:9

The point is that not all Christians are homophobic.

Most Christians are not religious or follow their book perfectly. There is a huge educational difference between the Christian and Muslim worlds.

[Kemalist]

In Albania, there was talk of legalising gay marriage (they're majority Muslim), though it was never followed through on because Albania has a host of other shit to deal with.

Also in Turkey. 2 out of 4 major parties are in favour of it but since the ruling party opposes it... It just needs time until the second party comes to power.

And in Northern Cyprus; pro-gay rights party recently came to power.

[Olivaero]

Better tell the Anglican communion that with their Gay clergy.

What about the Gay mosque in France? you don't get my point.

Okay yeah sorry, I didn't. (that'll teach me for not paying close attention to the whole thread ) I disagree with your point from earlier though, nothing about religion is inherently homophobic.

[Kemalist]

What about the Gay mosque in France? you don't get my point.

Okay yeah sorry, I didn't. (that'll teach me for not paying close attention to the whole thread ) I disagree with your point from earlier though, nothing about religion is inherently homophobic.

None of the abrahamic religions approve of homosexuality. I'm talking about the Qur'an, Bible and Torah. It's all about how much one cares about what's written in their books.

[Olivaero]

Okay yeah sorry, I didn't. (that'll teach me for not paying close attention to the whole thread ) I disagree with your point from earlier though, nothing about religion is inherently homophobic.

None of the abrahamic religions approve of homosexuality. I'm talking about the Qur'an, Bible and Torah. It's all about how much one cares about what's written in their books.

The bible is not the whole of Christianity the Church plays an equal role in many schools such as: Latin Rite Catholics (Roman Catholics) Orthodox Christians and the Anglican communion. The church is responsible for interpreting the bible in these sects, so what they say pretty much goes. So If as in the Anglican Communion the church says being Gay is okay, its okay. I would offer up arguments for Judaism and Islam but I'm not as familiar with their theology.

[Kemalist]

None of the abrahamic religions approve of homosexuality. I'm talking about the Qur'an, Bible and Torah. It's all about how much one cares about what's written in their books.

The bible is not the whole of Christianity the Church plays an equal role in many schools such as: Latin Rite Catholics (Roman Catholics) Orthodox Christians and the Anglican communion. The church is responsible for interpreting the bible in these sects, so what they say pretty much goes. So If as in the Anglican Communion the church says being Gay is okay, its okay. I would offer up arguments for Judaism and Islam but I'm not as familiar with their theology.

Ok; but what about other churches? all of them support gay rights? I don't think so. You just cherry-pick one church that serves your argument, while ignoring lots of other churches.

[Olivaero]

The bible is not the whole of Christianity the Church plays an equal role in many schools such as: Latin Rite Catholics (Roman Catholics) Orthodox Christians and the Anglican communion. The church is responsible for interpreting the bible in these sects, so what they say pretty much goes. So If as in the Anglican Communion the church says being Gay is okay, its okay. I would offer up arguments for Judaism and Islam but I'm not as familiar with their theology.

Ok; but what about other churches? all of them support gay rights? I don't think so. You just cherry-pick one church that serves your argument, while ignoring lots of other churches.

the fact that I'm able to find one that does should tell you that Abrahamic religion isn't universally opposed to homosexuality. Therefore... your wrong in the statement that none of the abrahamic religions approve of homosexuality.