Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[Mahdistan]

Gitmo is slavery in a sense and the people are treated worse than dirt, slavery in Islam is essentially like being a butler and requires very good treatment of slaves, slaves are even allowed to lead their masters in prayer if they're Muslim.

Muslim slavers also routinely castrate their slaves, and abuse them to the point of near death.

Never mind the fact that anyone who practices slavery is themself a criminal, and the worst kind of shit eating cunt on earth, deserving nothing but cruel death.

That doesn't mean that's the way it has to be. There are horrible people calling themselves Muslim, but perform such abuses. They need to be punished, perhaps made slaves themselves. And an owner of slaves should be more kind than a prison warden, and treat their slaves not only fairly, but with respect.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Everything in Islam is humane, from the treatment of animals to laws of warfare.

Yeah, chopping off hands, stoning for adultery, and beheading for apostasy are so humane.

You neglect to mention murderers and rapists get beheaded too, with these laws crime will vanish, in Islam's golden age crime happend far away from cities or places the government would likely find you and today if these laws were applied the criminals would have an even harder time trying to commit their crime.

[Napkiraly]

Ideally it would be something like that. But the reality is that in Islamic countries (Mauritania for an example) there are people born into a class of slaves.

Unfortunately, this is what has come of it. However, I think it's still something that should still be pushed for within societies following Shariah, just very carefully monitored, and heavily punished if abused.

Or perhaps any country thinking of implementing this sort of barbarism should have an iron boot stomping on it repeatedly.

[Mahdistan]

Everything in Islam is humane, from the treatment of animals to laws of warfare.

Is that why islamic states and militants are the most cruel and brutal in all matters of life and war?

Daesh is an army of apostates.

[Napkiraly]

Muslim slavers also routinely castrate their slaves, and abuse them to the point of near death.

Never mind the fact that anyone who practices slavery is themself a criminal, and the worst kind of shit eating cunt on earth, deserving nothing but cruel death.

That doesn't mean that's the way it has to be. There are horrible people calling themselves Muslim, but perform such abuses. They need to be punished, perhaps made slaves themselves. And an owner of slaves should be more kind than a prison warden, and treat their slaves not only fairly, but with respect.

Owning someone will never be a good thing. It is immoral. People are not products to be owned.

[Napkiraly]

Yeah, chopping off hands, stoning for adultery, and beheading for apostasy are so humane.

You neglect to mention murderers and rapists get beheaded too, with these laws crime will vanish, in Islam's golden age crime happend far away from cities or places the government would likely find you and today if these laws were applied the criminals would have an even harder time trying to commit their crime.

Well I guess that makes up for the lack of religious freedom and other barbaric shit then.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Is that why islamic states and militants are the most cruel and brutal in all matters of life and war?

Daesh is an army of apostates.

He doesn't know that in Islam when the enemy offers peace you must accept it.

[Mahdistan]

I'd also be interested in knowing what else I've said that turns people away.

This alone would be enough. You're not the only person here however spewing about how great implementing Sharia would be.

But I'm explaining my position, and repeatedly stating that abuses are completely un-Islamic. Prisons are a system for punishing and abusing; what I'm suggesting is a system for healing and restitution.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

That doesn't mean that's the way it has to be. There are horrible people calling themselves Muslim, but perform such abuses. They need to be punished, perhaps made slaves themselves. And an owner of slaves should be more kind than a prison warden, and treat their slaves not only fairly, but with respect.

Owning someone will never be a good thing. It is immoral. People are not products to be owned.

Never said they were, they are people who work for someone by contract.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Muslim slavers also routinely castrate their slaves, and abuse them to the point of near death.

Never mind the fact that anyone who practices slavery is themself a criminal, and the worst kind of shit eating cunt on earth, deserving nothing but cruel death.

That doesn't mean that's the way it has to be. There are horrible people calling themselves Muslim, but perform such abuses. They need to be punished, perhaps made slaves themselves. And an owner of slaves should be more kind than a prison warden, and treat their slaves not only fairly, but with respect.

No, a slaver should be castrated and tied to a post, left to be picked apart by wild animals. There is nothing humane about slavery.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

This alone would be enough. You're not the only person here however spewing about how great implementing Sharia would be.

But I'm explaining my position, and repeatedly stating that abuses are completely un-Islamic. Prisons are a system for punishing and abusing; what I'm suggesting is a system for healing and restitution.

Even Islamic prisons are more of rehab than a torture center.

[Mahdistan]

Unfortunately, this is what has come of it. However, I think it's still something that should still be pushed for within societies following Shariah, just very carefully monitored, and heavily punished if abused.

Or perhaps any country thinking of implementing this sort of barbarism should have an iron boot stomping on it repeatedly.

Perhaps we should do the same to every country with stifling prisons and abusive prison guards? You view my stance as barbaric, while I view yours as much more harmful.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Muslim slavers also routinely castrate their slaves, and them to the point of near death.

Never mind the fact that anyone who practices slavery is themself a criminal, and the worst kind of shit eating cunt on earth, deserving nothing but cruel death.

That doesn't mean that's the way it has to be. There are horrible people calling themselves Muslim, but perform such abuses. They need to be punished, perhaps made slaves themselves. And an owner of slaves should be more kind than a prison warden, and treat their slaves not only fairly, but with respect.

Ah yes, I forgot that No True Muslim would ever do something you personally disagree with.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Or perhaps any country thinking of implementing this sort of barbarism should have an iron boot stomping on it repeatedly.

Perhaps we should do the same to every country with stifling prisons and abusive prison guards? You view my stance as barbaric, while I view yours as much more harmful.

Barbarism and barbaric are buzz words for people when the Haqq contradicts their Nafs, akhi.

[Mahdistan]

That doesn't mean that's the way it has to be. There are horrible people calling themselves Muslim, but perform such abuses. They need to be punished, perhaps made slaves themselves. And an owner of slaves should be more kind than a prison warden, and treat their slaves not only fairly, but with respect.

Owning someone will never be a good thing. It is immoral. People are not products to be owned.

People in prison are owned too. Arguably, so is anyone obligated to pay taxes. But in my mind, anyone who commits a crime forfeits their rights.

[Napkiraly]

This alone would be enough. You're not the only person here however spewing about how great implementing Sharia would be.

But I'm explaining my position, and repeatedly stating that abuses are completely un-Islamic. Prisons are a system for punishing and abusing; what I'm suggesting is a system for healing and restitution.

It depends on the prison system; personally I'm for rehabilitating for all but the worst criminals. But even the worst criminals don't deserve to become someone else's property. Yet abuses happen all the time because slavery creates a system where one views they can do anything to their property.

"B-b-but not real Muslim!!! D:" Yeah, no true Scotsman argument once again when it comes to horrific shit being committed by Muslims. I don't deny Stalin as an atheist for his anti-religion stances that lead to horrific things; I don't deny that the Crusaders were Christians when they butchered the population of Jerusalem.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Owning someone will never be a good thing. It is immoral. People are not products to be owned.

People in prison are owned too. Arguably, so is anyone obligated to pay taxes. But in my mind, anyone who commits a crime forfeits their rights.

You're right on a show I saw on A&E apparently somewhere in the US constitution it states criminals are slaves of the state.

[Napkiraly]

Owning someone will never be a good thing. It is immoral. People are not products to be owned.

People in prison are owned too. Arguably, so is anyone obligated to pay taxes. But in my mind, anyone who commits a crime forfeits their rights.

No, they are not owned. Nor are people that owe taxes, that line of reasoning is quite honestly hilariously stupid. They are legally still human beings with certain rights curtailed, but not all.

[Mahdistan]

That doesn't mean that's the way it has to be. There are horrible people calling themselves Muslim, but perform such abuses. They need to be punished, perhaps made slaves themselves. And an owner of slaves should be more kind than a prison warden, and treat their slaves not only fairly, but with respect.

No, a slaver should be castrated and tied to a post, left to be picked apart by wild animals. There is nothing humane about slavery.

If there's a person out there, pulling people out of their homes to be made slaves, than he deserves punishment, absolutely. But, do you really feel so strongly of people arresting criminals, and having them pay back their debts cleaning houses or working farms instead of staring at a blank wall for years at a time?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

But I'm explaining my position, and repeatedly stating that abuses are completely un-Islamic. Prisons are a system for punishing and abusing; what I'm suggesting is a system for healing and restitution.

It depends on the prison system; personally I'm for rehabilitating for all but the worst criminals. But even the worst criminals don't deserve to become someone else's property. Yet abuses happen all the time because slavery creates a system where one views they can do anything to their property.

"B-b-but not real Muslim!!! D:" Yeah, no true Scotsman argument once again when it comes to horrific shit being committed by Muslims. I don't deny Stalin as an atheist for his anti-religion stances that lead to horrific things; I don't deny that the Crusaders were Christians when they butchered the population of Jerusalem.

Please learn what Takfeer is when dealing with Muslims. It'll make you look like you know what you're saying instead of throwing around that "NO true Scotsman" rubbish.

[The Nuclear Fist]

People in prison are owned too. Arguably, so is anyone obligated to pay taxes. But in my mind, anyone who commits a crime forfeits their rights.

You're right on a show I saw on A&E apparently somewhere in the US constitution it states criminals are slaves of the state.

No it fucking doesn't.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

You're right on a show I saw on A&E apparently somewhere in the US constitution it states criminals are slaves of the state.

No it fucking doesn't.

How many times do you use that horrible language of yours in a day? Please stop.

[Mahdistan]

That doesn't mean that's the way it has to be. There are horrible people calling themselves Muslim, but perform such abuses. They need to be punished, perhaps made slaves themselves. And an owner of slaves should be more kind than a prison warden, and treat their slaves not only fairly, but with respect.

Ah yes, I forgot that No True Muslim would ever do something you personally disagree with.

The Quran says you should not mistreat slaves. Those who do not follow the Quran are not Muslim, plain and simple. And do you not want people abusing slaves punished?

[New confederate ramenia]

People in prison are owned too. Arguably, so is anyone obligated to pay taxes. But in my mind, anyone who commits a crime forfeits their rights.

You're right on a show I saw on A&E apparently somewhere in the US constitution it states criminals are slaves of the state.

It doesn't say so in the constitution, it's more how things actually are. Prisoners don't have much freedom. And US prisons are actually much worse than the perfect, idealized slavery some of you seem to advocate.

[Napkiraly]

People in prison are owned too. Arguably, so is anyone obligated to pay taxes. But in my mind, anyone who commits a crime forfeits their rights.

You're right on a show I saw on A&E apparently somewhere in the US constitution it states criminals are slaves of the state.

Only if they're in a prison that still practices penal labour, which is also something that should be brought to an end.