Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[The Nuclear Fist]

Proof?

Personal research I did last night and a few years ago, I can't remember all the links, you have a computer find out yourself.

You could have saved some time by admitting you pulled it out of your asshole.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Im taking a break as Im extremely angry right now with all this Assad garbage, carry on.

[Anollasia]

Proof?

Personal research I did last night and a few years ago, I can't remember all the links, you have a computer find out yourself.

No thanks.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Im taking a break as Im extremely angry right now with all this Assad garbage, carry on.

[Mahdistan]

לק”י


How does Islam see Levirate Marriage (Yibum) as described in the Torah?

I'd need to be enlightened more on the specifics of it, but overall, marriage is similar in Islam to how it is described in the Bible. The main difference being, I think, that divorces are not as frowned upon in Islam, and are wholly permissible if there is no way to save a marriage. I don't know if polygamy is ever mentioned in the Bible either, but Muslim men are allowed to take up to four wives, but only if the three who are not the first wife were either economically downtrodden and would be benefited by being in your family, or if they are a widow or orphan. The Prophets were the exception to this rule, owing to the necessity to spread the progeny.

[Mahdistan]

Assad is as bad as ISIS he will go down in history as the man who is worse than Adolf Hitler.

He did say he'd kill any number of civilians to kill a single terrorist, and there's the fact that he released known terrorists so that they'd join the rebels, and ruin their image. He's a snake in the grass, but I don't think the F.S.A. is the way to stop him. I prefer the legal opposition, the Popular Front for Change and Liberation.

[Mahdistan]

Except they don't pray facing a rock in Albania.

They're a pious, quiet albeit heterodox syncretic group. Their order is vased on the writings of the classical Sufi and poet Hajj Bektash Veli.

They're pretty syncretic with Turkic shamanism and Gnostic beliefs. Like that Ali and Muhammad are radiations of God's light. Like Angels.
It's pretty out there. But blessings to the strangers.

They used to be the official religion of the Ottoman Janissaries.

Anollasia is/was Bektashi. He could probably get more right about it than I did

Idk I'm like a mix of Bektashi/Alevi or something. My elders would know it better, since they're more connected to their roots. Besides, sects/denominations are pretty pointless, since they only seem to cause more division than unity.

Really? I always had you pinned as a Christian. I guess it's just the dove that made me think that.

[The Nuclear Fist]

He did say he'd kill any number of civilians to kill a single terrorist, and there's the fact that he released known terrorists so that they'd join the rebels, and ruin their image. He's a snake in the grass, but I don't think the F.S.A. is the way to stop him. I prefer the legal opposition, the Popular Front for Change and Liberation.

Assad is definitely a real cunt, but Adolf Hitler was directly responsible for the industrialized genocide of twelve million people, and the deadliest conflict Europe has ever seen. Assad is a tick on an elephant's ankle compared to Hitler.

[Jochistan]

Except they don't pray facing a rock in Albania.

They're a pious, quiet albeit heterodox syncretic group. Their order is vased on the writings of the classical Sufi and poet Hajj Bektash Veli.

They're pretty syncretic with Turkic shamanism and Gnostic beliefs. Like that Ali and Muhammad are radiations of God's light. Like Angels.
It's pretty out there. But blessings to the strangers.

They used to be the official religion of the Ottoman Janissaries.

Anollasia is/was Bektashi. He could probably get more right about it than I did

Idk I'm like a mix of Bektashi/Alevi or something. My elders would know it better, since they're more connected to their roots. Besides, sects/denominations are pretty pointless, since they only seem to cause more division than unity.

Well, theres really no way to get rid of denominations without getting rid of difference of opinion.

We shouldn't all be the same.

[Anollasia]

Idk I'm like a mix of Bektashi/Alevi or something. My elders would know it better, since they're more connected to their roots. Besides, sects/denominations are pretty pointless, since they only seem to cause more division than unity.

Really? I always had you pinned as a Christian. I guess it's just the dove that made me think that.

I'm not that religious. My mom was Christian but then she kind of adopted Islam but never really betrayed Christianity. My family was never really rigid when it came to religion. It was usually pretty vague. Hence why I said Bektashi/Alevi. But honestly, I'd consider myself more of a cultural Muslim.

[Anollasia]

Idk I'm like a mix of Bektashi/Alevi or something. My elders would know it better, since they're more connected to their roots. Besides, sects/denominations are pretty pointless, since they only seem to cause more division than unity.

Well, theres really no way to get rid of denominations without getting rid of difference of opinion.

We shouldn't all be the same.

Yeah, but some people shouldn't have to choose a denomination if they don't want to. Some people can be nondenominational, like in the poll. It's not like everyone's either Sunni or Shia, etc.

[Jochistan]

Well, theres really no way to get rid of denominations without getting rid of difference of opinion.

We shouldn't all be the same.

Yeah, but some people shouldn't have to choose a denomination if they don't want to. Some people can be nondenominational, like in the poll. It's not like everyone's either Sunni or Shia, etc.

Personally I think one would need some source of authority to practice and believe in a religion by. A Sheikh or Ulema. But that's just me

[The Nuclear Fist]

Yeah, but some people shouldn't have to choose a denomination if they don't want to. Some people can be nondenominational, like in the poll. It's not like everyone's either Sunni or Shia, etc.

Personally I think one would need some source of authority to practice and believe in a religion by. A Sheikh or Ulema. But that's just me

I dunno, I think religion is the most pure when it's decentralized, and decided at the personal level. When you introduce organization like that you get corruption and unaccountable power, like the problems that the Catholic Church has, and you end up with a problem where preacher men are basically giving out their personal beliefs, regardless of whether or not the scripture supports those beliefs or not (I think you've mentioned wahhabism and salafism being examples).

[Mahdistan]

Oh yeah, I forgot to post this.

http://freekeene.com/2016/04/06/liberta ... ning-mate/

A relatively obscure American Libertarian candidate, even among Libertarians, has officially selected a Muslim running mate. This is the first time, I believe, that a Muslim has every been chosen to be a running mate for U.S. president. The Libertarians this year actually seem to have really good candidates compared to most of the other years, but that's off topic.

[Jochistan]

Personally I think one would need some source of authority to practice and believe in a religion by. A Sheikh or Ulema. But that's just me

I dunno, I think religion is the most pure when it's decentralized, and decided at the personal level. When you introduce organization like that you get corruption and unaccountable power, like the problems that the Catholic Church has, and you end up with a problem where preacher men are basically giving out their personal beliefs, regardless of whether or not the scripture supports those beliefs or not (I think you've mentioned wahhabism and salafism being examples).

Well. Yeah. It should be decentralized. That doesn't mean many religious sects, denominations, orientations and schools of thought won't exist as authorities on tradition.

[Jochistan]

Assad is definitely a real cunt[

Yeah. el Sisi is best dictator, boi.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Oh yeah, I forgot to post this.

http://freekeene.com/2016/04/06/liberta ... ning-mate/

A relatively obscure American Libertarian candidate, even among Libertarians, has officially selected a Muslim running mate. This is the first time, I believe, that a Muslim has every been chosen to be a running mate for U.S. president. The Libertarians this year actually seem to have really good candidates compared to most of the other years, but that's off topic.

I liked Paul

[Mahdistan]

Oh yeah, I forgot to post this.

http://freekeene.com/2016/04/06/liberta ... ning-mate/

A relatively obscure American Libertarian candidate, even among Libertarians, has officially selected a Muslim running mate. This is the first time, I believe, that a Muslim has every been chosen to be a running mate for U.S. president. The Libertarians this year actually seem to have really good candidates compared to most of the other years, but that's off topic.

I liked Paul

Ron Paul? Yeah, he was pretty good. I think it's funny that he and Sanders agreed on a lot of policy, despite being on essentially opposite ends of the economic spectrum. His son, Rand, is okay too, but I don't think he stacks up to his father.

[Yaramaqui]

לק”י


How does Islam see Levirate Marriage (Yibum) as described in the Torah?

I'd need to be enlightened more on the specifics of it, but overall, marriage is similar in Islam to how it is described in the Bible. The main difference being, I think, that divorces are not as frowned upon in Islam, and are wholly permissible if there is no way to save a marriage. I don't know if polygamy is ever mentioned in the Bible either, but Muslim men are allowed to take up to four wives, but only if the three who are not the first wife were either economically downtrodden and would be benefited by being in your family, or if they are a widow or orphan. The Prophets were the exception to this rule, owing to the necessity to spread the progeny.

The Torah dictates that if a married man dies childless, the widow is to marry her dead husband's brother. This brother is usually the eldest if the dead husband had more than one brother. The firstborn son they produce is seen as the continuation of the dead husband's line. This practice is known as Yibum, or levirate marriage. The brother-in-law is called the Yabam; the widow is called the Yebamah. If the dead man's brother doesn't want marry the widow, or she does not want to marry him, a standard divorce is is not enough to separate them bond. Instead, they perform a ceremony called a Halitzah which means removal; in this case is the removal of the brother-in-law's shoe. After the Halitzah ceremony has been completed is the widow can marry other people. In Ashkenazi/European Jewish communities, Halitzah happens almost all the time viewed as the only option, while in other communities, it can vary a bit.

Also, polygamy does happen in the Tanakh. Notable examples are Dawid, Moshe, Shelomo, Ya’aqob, Esaw, and others. Divorce is also permissible in Judaism.

[Jochistan]

Assad is definitely a real cunt[

Yeah. el Sisi is best dictator, boi.

No but seriously. It sucks that the legitimately religiously moderate powers in the region (with the exception of Abdullah II) are led by iron fisted dictators that tolerate no dissent, accumulate ridiculous amounts of wealth, exploit their people, and generally act petty and corrupt.

But when you're up against a population of 4/5ths fundamentalists that want to treat women like sheep, kill apostates, kill homosexuals, kill foreigners, kill fornicators, kill blasphemers, declare war on nonbeleivers and "deviants", take slaves, ban music, marry children, and destroy ancient artifacts.

It's hard to not take their side just a little.

Hell some of them have views that are almost ideal. el Sisi's policies and ideals, If he truly is genuine about them, are very close to what I beleive is right for the middle east at this time.
But their tyranny can't be overlooked. What is right for the middle east can't be implemented in the way these dictators are doing it.

[Mahdistan]

I'd need to be enlightened more on the specifics of it, but overall, marriage is similar in Islam to how it is described in the Bible. The main difference being, I think, that divorces are not as frowned upon in Islam, and are wholly permissible if there is no way to save a marriage. I don't know if polygamy is ever mentioned in the Bible either, but Muslim men are allowed to take up to four wives, but only if the three who are not the first wife were either economically downtrodden and would be benefited by being in your family, or if they are a widow or orphan. The Prophets were the exception to this rule, owing to the necessity to spread the progeny.

The Torah dictates that if a married man dies childless, the widow is to marry her dead husband's brother. This brother is usually the eldest if the dead husband had more than one brother. The firstborn son they produce is seen as the continuation of the dead husband's line. This practice is known as Yibum, or levirate marriage. The brother-in-law is called the Yabam; the widow is called the Yebamah. If the dead man's brother doesn't want marry the widow, or she does not want to marry him, a standard divorce is is not enough to separate them bond. Instead, they perform a ceremony called a Halitzah which means removal; in this case is the removal of the brother-in-law's shoe. After the Halitzah ceremony has been completed is the widow can marry other people. In Ashkenazi/European Jewish communities, Halitzah happens almost all the time viewed as the only option, while in other communities, it can vary a bit.

Also, polygamy does happen in the Tanakh. Notable examples are Dawid, Moshe, Shelomo, Ya’aqob, Esaw, and others. Divorce is also permissible in Judaism.

Yes, I see that there is differentiation. Marriages as described would be considered haram in Islam, as in-laws are considered as forbidden as blood-relatives, except in a very few exceptions (cousins are permissible though). I think I remember there being a surah on windows in the Quran, but it's difficult to remember all the exact economic and marriaginal rulings, as they tend to be very specific, but essentially I think widowing means the marriage is nulled, and as such the receive their dowry back from the family, as well as some of the inheritance. They are then free to marry again, but only after, I believe, a six-month mourning period, and members of the previous family they had married to are still considered forbidden. I also recall, I think a woman may only have three divorces in a lifetime, though I can't remember if that also applies to men.

[Jochistan]

I'd need to be enlightened more on the specifics of it, but overall, marriage is similar in Islam to how it is described in the Bible. The main difference being, I think, that divorces are not as frowned upon in Islam, and are wholly permissible if there is no way to save a marriage. I don't know if polygamy is ever mentioned in the Bible either, but Muslim men are allowed to take up to four wives, but only if the three who are not the first wife were either economically downtrodden and would be benefited by being in your family, or if they are a widow or orphan. The Prophets were the exception to this rule, owing to the necessity to spread the progeny.

The Torah dictates that if a married man dies childless, the widow is to marry her dead husband's brother. This brother is usually the eldest if the dead husband had more than one brother. The firstborn son they produce is seen as the continuation of the dead husband's line. This practice is known as Yibum, or levirate marriage. The brother-in-law is called the Yabam; the widow is called the Yebamah. If the dead man's brother doesn't want marry the widow, or she does not want to marry him, a standard divorce is is not enough to separate them bond. Instead, they perform a ceremony called a Halitzah which means removal; in this case is the removal of the brother-in-law's shoe. After the Halitzah ceremony has been completed is the widow can marry other people. In Ashkenazi/European Jewish communities, Halitzah happens almost all the time viewed as the only option, while in other communities, it can vary a bit.

Also, polygamy does happen in the Tanakh. Notable examples are Dawid, Moshe, Shelomo, Ya’aqob, Esaw, and others. Divorce is also permissible in Judaism.

The Qur'an prohibits marriage to be "inherited" like that. But if the woman wants to marry the Husband's brother out of her own volition, that would probably be fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levirate_marriage

[Mahdistan]

The Torah dictates that if a married man dies childless, the widow is to marry her dead husband's brother. This brother is usually the eldest if the dead husband had more than one brother. The firstborn son they produce is seen as the continuation of the dead husband's line. This practice is known as Yibum, or levirate marriage. The brother-in-law is called the Yabam; the widow is called the Yebamah. If the dead man's brother doesn't want marry the widow, or she does not want to marry him, a standard divorce is is not enough to separate them bond. Instead, they perform a ceremony called a Halitzah which means removal; in this case is the removal of the brother-in-law's shoe. After the Halitzah ceremony has been completed is the widow can marry other people. In Ashkenazi/European Jewish communities, Halitzah happens almost all the time viewed as the only option, while in other communities, it can vary a bit.

Also, polygamy does happen in the Tanakh. Notable examples are Dawid, Moshe, Shelomo, Ya’aqob, Esaw, and others. Divorce is also permissible in Judaism.

The Qur'an prohibits marriage to be "inherited" like that. But if the woman wants to marry the Husband's brother out of her own volition, that would probably be fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levirate_marriage

I think I do recall a ruling stating that members of the previous family still remain forbidden, even after divorce or widowing. That, however, may not be true.

[Mahdistan]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=606329

Any Muslims interested, TG your sect and Madhhab. No particular reason for this, just a survey.

[Jochistan]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=606329

Any Muslims interested, TG your sect and Madhhab. No particular reason for this, just a survey.

Ooh, Nice.

For Sufis, do you say your madhab and your Sufi Order?