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To which branch of Islam do you belong?

Sunni
164
41%
Shia
53
13%
Ibadi
15
4%
Ahmadiyya
10
2%
Sufi
31
8%
Nondenominational
47
12%
Other
84
21%
 
Total votes : 404

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Postby Jochistan » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:28 pm

Sanctissima wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Yes. Cause palaces, Ferrari dealerships, Louis Vuitton stores and outrageously expensive hotels are for the people...
Saudis such men of the people in cruise ship sized mega yachts.

The people literally die while the rich take their money.


Nevermind the fact that they literally named the damn country after themselves. That requires a pretty massive level of narcissism.

That's not really a point against them. Dynasties have done that for millnenia.

They still suck though.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:28 pm

Novus America wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:It helps the Saudi economy which helps the Islamic world.


No, it helps the rich get richer.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/j ... inequality
http://time.com/3679537/rich-nation-poo ... di-arabia/

Men of the people eh?

These are propaganda articles by unIslamic writers.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:30 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Heh, help.

as in do jack shit.

Giving the revolutionaries in Syria money and equipment to end Assadist tyranny, sending millions of dollars to Syrian citizens and Gaza citizens, and building Mosques across the globe are a few examples.


Assad is now winning. Gaza is a horrible place do to extremism. The mosques built created ISIS.
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Postby Anollasia » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:32 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
You should not be so quick to call everyone you disagree with a deviant. You should have just left out the deviant part and this would be a good post.

Except they don't pray facing a rock in Albania.

They're a pious, quiet albeit heterodox syncretic group. Their order is vased on the writings of the classical Sufi and poet Hajj Bektash Veli.

They're pretty syncretic with Turkic shamanism and Gnostic beliefs. Like that Ali and Muhammad are radiations of God's light. Like Angels.
It's pretty out there. But blessings to the strangers.

They used to be the official religion of the Ottoman Janissaries.

Anollasia is/was Bektashi. He could probably get more right about it than I did :p


Idk I'm like a mix of Bektashi/Alevi or something. My elders would know it better, since they're more connected to their roots. Besides, sects/denominations are pretty pointless, since they only seem to cause more division than unity.

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Ghuraba Al-Khorusani
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:33 pm

Novus America wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Giving the revolutionaries in Syria money and equipment to end Assadist tyranny, sending millions of dollars to Syrian citizens and Gaza citizens, and building Mosques across the globe are a few examples.


Assad is now winning. Gaza is a horrible place do to extremism. The mosques built created ISIS.

No Assad won one battle May Allah forbid he stays in power another day longer than he must Ameen (1000x), Hamas sucks but the KSA still sends food there, and no the people just don't know any better about ISIS. Assad is as bad as ISIS he will go down in history as the man who is worse than Adolf Hitler.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:34 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:

These are propaganda articles by unIslamic writers.


Ha. Open your mind. Look beyond the Saudi propaganda. Why you trust a bunch of frauds is beyond me. They live the exact opposite of Muslim lives.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:34 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Except they don't pray facing a rock in Albania.

They're a pious, quiet albeit heterodox syncretic group. Their order is vased on the writings of the classical Sufi and poet Hajj Bektash Veli.

They're pretty syncretic with Turkic shamanism and Gnostic beliefs. Like that Ali and Muhammad are radiations of God's light. Like Angels.
It's pretty out there. But blessings to the strangers.

They used to be the official religion of the Ottoman Janissaries.

Anollasia is/was Bektashi. He could probably get more right about it than I did :p


Idk I'm like a mix of Bektashi/Alevi or something. My elders would know it better, since they're more connected to their roots. Besides, sects/denominations are pretty pointless, since they only seem to cause more division than unity.

Are you Turkish or Albanian and do they where green turbans or red ones?
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:36 pm

Novus America wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:These are propaganda articles by unIslamic writers.


Ha. Open your mind. Look beyond the Saudi propaganda. Why you trust a bunch of frauds is beyond me. They live the exact opposite of Muslim lives.

Islam teaches judge by what you see not by accusation, so I see goodness amongst them what sinful acts they do Allah knows of and if they are true he will have a severe punishment on them on the day of judgment, but we're not there yet.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:36 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Assad is now winning. Gaza is a horrible place do to extremism. The mosques built created ISIS.

No Assad won one battle May Allah forbid he stays in power another day longer than he must Ameen (1000x), Hamas sucks but the KSA still sends food there, and no the people just don't know any better about ISIS. Assad is as bad as ISIS he will go down in history as the man who is worse than Adolf Hitler.


Sorry. Assad, Iran and the Russians won. It is over. And ISIS is just Wahhabism that the Saudis lost control of. It is a creation of Saudi Arabia that went rogue.

Assad is a horrible man (but no Hitler), but will remain in power.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:38 pm

Novus America wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:No Assad won one battle May Allah forbid he stays in power another day longer than he must Ameen (1000x), Hamas sucks but the KSA still sends food there, and no the people just don't know any better about ISIS. Assad is as bad as ISIS he will go down in history as the man who is worse than Adolf Hitler.


Sorry. Assad, Iran and the Russians won. It is over. And ISIS is just Wahhabism that the Saudis lost control of. It is a creation of Saudi Arabia that went rogue.

No the FSA, Army of Conquest and SRCC have been making gains against ISIS and Assad. The moment ISIS is kicked out May Allah will, this will begin the new age of an Islamic government in Syria and end the torture and pure evil this man has caused.

Bashir Al-Assad is one of the worst men who has ever lived, worse than Hitler, he is about as bad as the early Mekkan pagans I swear he is an ally of the accursed Satan.
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Anollasia
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Postby Anollasia » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:40 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Anollasia wrote:
Idk I'm like a mix of Bektashi/Alevi or something. My elders would know it better, since they're more connected to their roots. Besides, sects/denominations are pretty pointless, since they only seem to cause more division than unity.

Are you Turkish or Albanian and do they where green turbans or red ones?


Neither. I'm Turkish-Canadian with some Filipino/Spanish ancestry. And nobody wears turbans, I don't know what you're talking about.

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:41 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Are you Turkish or Albanian and do they where green turbans or red ones?


Neither. I'm Turkish-Canadian with some Filipino/Spanish ancestry. And nobody wears turbans, I don't know what you're talking about.

Alevi than, Bektashis are almost solely Albanian or Bosnian
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Postby Novus America » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:42 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Sorry. Assad, Iran and the Russians won. It is over. And ISIS is just Wahhabism that the Saudis lost control of. It is a creation of Saudi Arabia that went rogue.

No the FSA, Army of Conquest and SRCC have been making gains against ISIS and Assad. The moment ISIS is kicked out May Allah will, this will begin the new age of an Islamic government in Syria and end the torture and pure evil this man has caused.

Bashir Al-Assad is one of the worst men who has ever lived, worse than Hitler, he is about as bad as the early Mekkan pagans he if he wasn't who he was I'd swear he is an adversary of the accursed Satan.


Really, as much as I dislike Assad he is just another failed tin pot dictator. Nothing unique or special.

And sorry, that is just not reality. The opposition is beaten and negotiating with Assad.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Anollasia » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:42 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Anollasia wrote:
Neither. I'm Turkish-Canadian with some Filipino/Spanish ancestry. And nobody wears turbans, I don't know what you're talking about.

Alevi than, Bektashis are almost solely Albanian or Bosnian


Almost solely. You said it yourself.

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:44 pm

Novus America wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:No the FSA, Army of Conquest and SRCC have been making gains against ISIS and Assad. The moment ISIS is kicked out May Allah will, this will begin the new age of an Islamic government in Syria and end the torture and pure evil this man has caused.

Bashir Al-Assad is one of the worst men who has ever lived, worse than Hitler, he is about as bad as the early Mekkan pagans he if he wasn't who he was I'd swear he is an adversary of the accursed Satan.


Really, as much as I dislike Assad he is just another failed tin pot dictator. Nothing unique or special.

And sorry, that is just not reality. The opposition is beaten and negotiating with Assad.

Not all of them are only apostates,
Assad is an Alawite heretic ruiling the Islamic lands of Ahl Al-Sham that's why it is a big deal.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:45 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Alevi than, Bektashis are almost solely Albanian or Bosnian


Almost solely. You said it yourself.

I've never seen or heard of a non-Albanian/Bosnian Bektashi there HQ is in Albania.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:48 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Assad is as bad as ISIS he will go down in history as the man who is worse than Adolf Hitler.

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Postby Anollasia » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:50 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
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Almost solely. You said it yourself.

I've never seen or heard of a non-Albanian/Bosnian Bektashi there HQ is in Albania.


So? The HQ of Catholicism is in the Vatican but there are Catholics far away from that, such as in the Philippines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bektashi_Order

''The order is mainly found throughout Anatolia and the Balkans''
''However, the Bektashi order does not seem to have attracted quite as many adherents from among Bosnian Muslims, who tended to favor more mainstream Sunni orders ''

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:51 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:I've never seen or heard of a non-Albanian/Bosnian Bektashi there HQ is in Albania.


So? The HQ of Catholicism is in the Vatican but there are Catholics far away from that, such as in the Philippines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bektashi_Order

''The order is mainly found throughout Anatolia and the Balkans''
''However, the Bektashi order does not seem to have attracted quite as many adherents from among Bosnian Muslims, who tended to favor more mainstream Sunni orders ''

It's an exaggeration, and Bektashis aren't as big as Catholics.
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Postby Anollasia » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:54 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Anollasia wrote:
So? The HQ of Catholicism is in the Vatican but there are Catholics far away from that, such as in the Philippines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bektashi_Order

''The order is mainly found throughout Anatolia and the Balkans''
''However, the Bektashi order does not seem to have attracted quite as many adherents from among Bosnian Muslims, who tended to favor more mainstream Sunni orders ''

It's an exaggeration, and Bektashis aren't as big as Catholics.


How is it an exaggeration?

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:55 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:It's an exaggeration, and Bektashis aren't as big as Catholics.


How is it an exaggeration?

Because there isn't any in Turkey.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:56 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Sorry. Assad, Iran and the Russians won. It is over. And ISIS is just Wahhabism that the Saudis lost control of. It is a creation of Saudi Arabia that went rogue.

No the FSA, Army of Conquest and SRCC have been making gains against ISIS and Assad. The moment ISIS is kicked out May Allah will, this will begin the new age of an Islamic government in Syria and end the torture and pure evil this man has caused.

The FSA and other "moderate" islamic beheaders are losing steam pretty rapidly. The only real chance they have of surviving Assad post-ISIS is if some other power directly intervenes.

Bashir Al-Assad is one of the worst men who has ever lived, worse than Hitler,

Do you know anything about Hitler or the second world war? Because no one with even the slightest bit of knowledge would say that.

he is about as bad as the early Mekkan pagans

Who really weren't all that much worse than who succeeded them, mind you.

I swear he is an adversary of the accursed Satan.

Well at least you're honest when you say that he's an enemy of satan, which I guess would make you a friend of satan. Congrats, fellow satanist on realizing your true calling. The orgy is at nine and pork and rum feast is at eleven.
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Postby Anollasia » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:57 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Anollasia wrote:
How is it an exaggeration?

Because there isn't any in Turkey.


Proof?

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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:00 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Because there isn't any in Turkey.


Proof?

Personal research I did last night and a few years ago, I can't remember all the links, you have a computer find out yourself.
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