Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[Salus Maior]

Can anyone tell me a fun fact about Islam?

While the country of Iran condemns homosexuality due to Islamic law, it embraces and even finances transgenderism. So much in fact that Iran has the second highest number of sexchange operations of all countries on the planet.

[Yaramaqui]

Note the fact Lot was asking the men from Sodom to not do this evil. What was this evil, It is to be intimate with the messengers from Haqadosh Barukh Hu. The Torah itself has the prohibition of homosexual intercourse . The Torah and anywhere else in the Tanakh does not make mention to the orientation, but rather the physical act. I again repeat, that for us at least, what is prioritised in the Torah for us not to do are physical actions such as homosexual intercourse. If one has these thoughts (As long as one did not bring themselves to impure thoughts on purpose; however this may not be the case for homosexuals) it is their responsibility to not act on them.

Edit: To not, I mean. G-d forbid him allowing such things.

I agree with Shlomo here, I think being a homosexual and having homosexual inclinations arent a sin in itself but acting upon it by engaging in homosexual activities incurs a sin.

With respect to the People of Lot, I think that the reason Sodom was punished is because the people back then not only engaged with homosexual activities but also committed adultery and fornication, both being rampant among its heterosexual inhabitants. In addition to those, If I recall correctly in Ezekiel, the people of sodom had abundance of food and wealth but they didn't share and help the needy. So the people of Lot werent punished exclusively for their homosexual activities.

Ah, my name is Shlomo. Good guess.

[Mahdistan]

Hi guys, here’s a genuine question: I recently just found out that, according to 12er ruling, saying ‘amen’ after surah al fatiha during a prayer invalidates the prayer itself even if it is said silently? I have for as long as I can remember always say amen after al fatiha.

It makes me wonder because that is such a tiny thing to make a fuss about and I don’t think God is that narrow to not accept a prayer merely because of that. What do you think of this? Do you guys generally say amen after saying al fatiha?

I'd never even heard that. Odd, considering it's right there in the Quran. I've always said 'amen' at the end of Surah al Fatiha.

[Socialist Czechia]

More precisely, left-wing and right-wing radicals are purely on Russian side. You can't find there any single communist, fascist or syndicalist with anti-Russian stance.

Hardly surprising, considering that Putin's Russia appeals to illiberal authoritarians everywhere. It's not a Slavic thing - you'll find the same in Germany, France, Greece, even the US.

You'll find it everywhere soon, just after first nuclear terrorist attack, which is only matter of time.

I must say, I find it funny, that everyone in the West seems pissed by Iranian nuclear plants, but no one cares about unstable, terrorist and corruption-filled Pakistani regime, with who-knows-how-many functional warheads and advanced rocketry.

Is there actually any muslim state stable and peaceful enough you would trust nuclear weaponry? Certainly not Wahhabist Saudis, interested long time to buy few of them. Turkey? It's NATO state, very at least.

[Jochistan]

Can anyone tell me a fun fact about Islam?

Some observant Chinese Muslims like the Hui, living in a culture where pork products are very common, call pork "mutton" and label it as such to avoid consciously breaking religious obligation.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Saying Ameen after Fatihah is obligatory. Its is Kafir not to, of course this is 12er prayer we're discussing.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Islamic warfare prohibits Nuclear weapons. Its unIslamic in charecter and in its nature.

[Baltenstein]

Islamic warfare prohibits Nuclear weapons. Its unIslamic in charecter and in its nature.

So are Avtomat Kalashnikova 47, but try telling that to Islamist insurgents.

[The balkens]

Islamic warfare prohibits Nuclear weapons. Its unIslamic in charecter and in its nature.

So are Avtomat Kalashnikova 47, but try telling that to Islamist insurgents.

Or Iran, SA, Pakistan.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Islamic warfare prohibits Nuclear weapons. Its unIslamic in charecter and in its nature.

So are Avtomat Kalashnikova 47, but try telling that to Islamist insurgents.

AKs are the spears and arrows of today, and they'd agree every Ulema agrees so therefore the Sunnah agrees nukes are sinful I can prove it too.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

So are Avtomat Kalashnikova 47, but try telling that to Islamist insurgents.

Or Iran, SA, Pakistan.

The Iranian government isnt Islamic nor the Pakistani, the Saudis dont have them.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

While the country of Iran condemns homosexuality due to Islamic law, it embraces and even finances transgenderism. So much in fact that Iran has the second highest number of sexchange operations of all countries on the planet.

The number 1 spot goes to, you guessed it, Thailand.

[Islamic Republic of Aceh]

The number 1 spot goes to, you guessed it, Thailand.

Lol they are very well-known about it (especially in the ASEAN countries like, mine, Indonesia).
But Iran?, really?, I guess that's a new information for me.

[Socialist Czechia]

Or Iran, SA, Pakistan.

The Iranian government isnt Islamic nor the Pakistani, the Saudis dont have them.

Iran is 'Islamic Republic', there's literally nothing else similar you can compare to it, that's the main problem there. It's not 'liberal parliamentary democracy' in Western shapes, but it's not theocracy or dictatorship either. That's the other problem.

Pakistan seems to me like 'military regime', looking slightly better, but similar to what rules in Burma or Egypt now, which can anytime explode into theocratic talibanish nightmare.

And Saudis actively tried to buy (if not produce) nuclear weaponry in the past. They had also rockets bought from PRC, which alone pissed off Jews, of course, and considered straightforward bombardment of it.
Pretty hypocritical, considering that Israel owns hundreds of warheads, not mentioning advanced ICBMs.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

The Iranian government isnt Islamic nor the Pakistani, the Saudis dont have them.

Iran is 'Islamic Republic', there's literally nothing else similar you can compare to it, that's the main problem there. It's not 'liberal parliamentary democracy' in Western shapes, but it's not theocracy or dictatorship either. That's the other problem.

Pakistan seems to me like 'military regime', looking slightly better, but similar to what rules in Burma or Egypt now, which can anytime explode into theocratic talibanish nightmare.

And Saudis actively tried to buy (if not produce) nuclear weaponry in the past. They had also rockets bought from PRC, which alone pissed off Jews, of course, and considered straightforward bombardment of it.
Pretty hypocritical, considering that Israel owns hundreds of warheads, not mentioning advanced ICBMs.

There is no such thing as an "Islamic Republic" it's either Shari'ah or nothing, Shari'ah prohibits things like democracy and republics, The government is also Shia not Sunni and assists in the murder of millions of Muslims, the rulings of the scholars from ancient times to today hold the followers of Ibn Saba (May Allah curse) are not of us, famous scholars are Ibn Taymiyyah, Zayd Ibn Ali, and Abdul Wahab, and Ibn Baz. They curse the Sahaba of Rasoolillah(SAAWS) and his wives and practice occultism and polytheism and visit shrines none of these things are Islamic so therefore Iran holding a theocracy based on 12er Shia principles makes them apostates. Pakistan's government just isn't Islamic nothing about it is Nationalism is polytheistic and a form of Fitna the Quran says 8;39 "And fight them all until there is no more Fitna and the religion is all for Allah". The KSA holds the closest Islamic government of today

[The Nuclear Fist]

So are Avtomat Kalashnikova 47, but try telling that to Islamist insurgents.

AKs are the spears and arrows of today, and they'd agree every Ulema agrees so therefore the Sunnah agrees nukes are sinful I can prove it too.

So what does that make artillery? Tanks? Missiles? Are those banned? Because a nuke is just a sufficiently large bomb at the end of the day, and islamic extremists have a hard on for those.

[Socialist Czechia]

There is no such thing as an "Islamic Republic" it's either Shari'ah or nothing.

"The term Islamic republic has come to mean several different things, some contradictory to others. To some Muslim religious leaders in the Middle East and Africa who advocate it, an Islamic Republic is a state under a particular Islamic form of government. They see it as a compromise between a purely Islamic Caliphate, and secular nationalism and republicanism. In their conception of the Islamic republic, the penal code of the state is required to be compatible with some or all laws of Sharia, and the state may not be a monarchy as many Middle Eastern states are presently."

I know it butthurts monarchists, but republic is more advanced kind of state, and will spread everywhere, whole Arabia included. 'Islamic Republic' seems in literally any form better than corrupted absolute monarchy like that Wahhabist abomination, that's for sure.

[Napkiraly]

There is no such thing as an "Islamic Republic" it's either Shari'ah or nothing.

"The term Islamic republic has come to mean several different things, some contradictory to others. To some Muslim religious leaders in the Middle East and Africa who advocate it, an Islamic Republic is a state under a particular Islamic form of government. They see it as a compromise between a purely Islamic Caliphate, and secular nationalism and republicanism. In their conception of the Islamic republic, the penal code of the state is required to be compatible with some or all laws of Sharia, and the state may not be a monarchy as many Middle Eastern states are presently."

I know it butthurts monarchists, but republic is more advanced kind of state, and will spread everywhere, whole Arabia included. 'Islamic Republic' seems in literally any form better than corrupted absolute monarchy like that Wahhabist abomination, that's for sure.

I'd take a secular monarchy over an Islamic republic though.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

AKs are the spears and arrows of today, and they'd agree every Ulema agrees so therefore the Sunnah agrees nukes are sinful I can prove it too.

So what does that make artillery? Tanks? Missiles? Are those banned? Because a nuke is just a sufficiently large bomb at the end of the day, and islamic extremists have a hard on for those.

I will address you this one time only, and I hope all read this, Nuclear weapons are forbidden because of the affects of fallout on Allah's planet this Earth is Allah's and belongs to no one we barrow this land from him out of his mercy, Nuclear weapons also contradict the Islamic laws of warfare about killing women and children (even if they are atheists and polytheists) because of how indiscriminate it is, the other law of warfare it contradicts is the prohibition of destroying or burning the fruits and homes of enemy forces, In the books of Hadith it is mentioned when Rasoolillah(SAAWS) entered Kheybar after the battle he ordered his men not to destroy the Jewish homes or burn their date trees, today such things would be factories and apartments, however of course firefights and warfare of today is a bit different so there is fighting in homes but this is permissible as it is not destroying them and allows for them to be rebuilt and given back to the people after the battle. A nuclear bomb wipes out everything, this also causes the worse of creation to come such as awful mutations on Allah's creatures who suffer as a result. The aftermath of nuclear devices and the amount of destruction is what prohibits them.

[Napkiraly]

Or Iran, SA, Pakistan.

The Iranian government isnt Islamic nor the Pakistani, the Saudis dont have them.

They have the AK-103 however.

[Socialist Czechia]

I'd take a secular monarchy over an Islamic republic though.

Isn't it oxymoron? Since, like, every monarchy uses 'divine right to rule from God' ? And Chinese emperors had 'Mandate of Heaven', while Japanese Emperors are supposed to be descended from gods.

Even Britain, eternal-monarchism-is-best example, has still a damn state religion in control of monarch.

That's not cool.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

There is no such thing as an "Islamic Republic" it's either Shari'ah or nothing.

"The term Islamic republic has come to mean several different things, some contradictory to others. To some Muslim religious leaders in the Middle East and Africa who advocate it, an Islamic Republic is a state under a particular Islamic form of government. They see it as a compromise between a purely Islamic Caliphate, and secular nationalism and republicanism. In their conception of the Islamic republic, the penal code of the state is required to be compatible with some or all laws of Sharia, and the state may not be a monarchy as many Middle Eastern states are presently."

I know it butthurts monarchists, but republic is more advanced kind of state, and will spread everywhere, whole Arabia included. 'Islamic Republic' seems in literally any form better than corrupted absolute monarchy like that Wahhabist abomination, that's for sure.

It is bid'ah and shirk, Democracy is not allowed in Islam.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

The Iranian government isnt Islamic nor the Pakistani, the Saudis dont have them.

They have the AK-103 however.

It's just a gun anybody could own one Muslim or not.

[The Nuclear Fist]

So what does that make artillery? Tanks? Missiles? Are those banned? Because a nuke is just a sufficiently large bomb at the end of the day, and islamic extremists have a hard on for those.

I will address you this one time only, and I hope all read this, Nuclear weapons are forbidden because of the affects of fallout on Allah's planet this Earth is Allah's and belongs to no one we barrow this land from him out of his mercy, Nuclear weapons also contradict the Islamic laws of warfare about killing women and children (even if they are atheists and polytheists) because of how indiscriminate it is, the other law of warfare it contradicts is the prohibition of destroying or burning the fruits and homes of enemy forces, In the books of Hadith it is mentioned when Rasoolillah(SAAWS) entered Kheybar after the battle he ordered his men not to destroy the Jewish homes or burn their date trees, today such things would be factories and apartments, however of course firefights and warfare of today is a bit different so there is fighting in homes but this is permissible as it is not destroying them and allows for them to be rebuilt and given back to the people after the battle. A nuclear bomb wipes out everything, this also causes the worse of creation to come such as awful mutations on Allah's creatures who suffer as a result. The aftermath of nuclear devices and the amount of destruction is what prohibits them.

So what you're saying is we can chalk up "nuclear weapons" and "basic history" to things your particular type of islamic preacher men don't understand.

[Napkiraly]

I'd take a secular monarchy over an Islamic republic though.

Isn't it oxymoron?

Even Britain, eternal-monarchism-is-best example, has still a damn state religion in control of monarch.

That's not cool.

No, it's not an oxymoron. The UK in matters of practice is more or less secular (though it does need to improve in a number of areas) as is my home country of Canada, which is full blown secular. Spain and Belgium are also all secular according to their constitutions. Japan and the Netherlands are also secular iirc.