Some of the Buddhist Emperors of India, I forget their names. Was it Akbar?
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Omensa wrote:I'm looking to convert. Already know how to waiting for a bit
by Islamic Commune » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:17 pm
Omensa wrote:I'm looking to convert. Already know how to waiting for a bit
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:22 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:There's no formal rite of passage for Islam. All you have to do is declare that there is no divinity but God and that Muhammad was God's messenger. Then take a shower or something.
by Personal Freedom » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:39 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:Omensa wrote:I'm looking to convert. Already know how to waiting for a bit
There's no formal rite of passage for Islam. All you have to do is declare that there is no divinity but God and that Muhammad was God's messenger. Then take a shower or something.
But be very careful about this decision. Do not do it without full certainty of what you ate doing. Read up on some of the practices of Islam and its ideas first. Just don't throw yourself into something without full knowledge of what you are doing.
by Islamic Commune » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:15 pm
So if my lax Catholic grandmother recognizes Muhammad as a prophet alike a Catholic saint... she becomes a Muslim? e.e
by Personal Freedom » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:28 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:So if my lax Catholic grandmother recognizes Muhammad as a prophet alike a Catholic saint... she becomes a Muslim? e.e
As long as your grandmother testifies that Muhammad was a Messenger that received divine revelation from God, and that only God has divinity, and no other object, animal or human (Like a Pope) is divine or has divine right, she is a Mu'mina, a term used to describe a Believer. Actually, I think I might have confused people.
So testifying in the above statement makes you a Believer. A Muslim by definition is one who Submits, which means someone who not only believes, but also follows the five pillars of Islam:
-Testifying
-Praying 5 times a day
-Paying Zakat (2.5% of your wealth every year goes to helping the poor or social programs)
-Fasting during Ramadan
-Pilgrimage to Makkah just once
All of those are conditional requirements. If a person is poor and cannot go to Makkah, for example, then they don't have to follow the last pillar.
In addition to those Five Pillars, a Submitter (Muslim) is an active reader of the Qur'an (Or seeker of its information), and seeks to fulfill all of the priorities expressed in the Qur'an.
So your Grandmother could definitely be a Believer, but I don't know if she does what it takes to be a Submitter.
I hope that solves Personal Freedom's question.
by Islamic Commune » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:38 pm
by Anollasia » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:41 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:So if my lax Catholic grandmother recognizes Muhammad as a prophet alike a Catholic saint... she becomes a Muslim? e.e
As long as your grandmother testifies that Muhammad was a Messenger that received divine revelation from God, and that only God has divinity, and no other object, animal or human (Like a Pope) is divine or has divine right, she is a Mu'mina, a term used to describe a Believer. Actually, I think I might have confused people.
So testifying in the above statement makes you a Believer. A Muslim by definition is one who Submits, which means someone who not only believes, but also follows the five pillars of Islam:
-Testifying
-Praying 5 times a day
-Paying Zakat (2.5% of your wealth every year goes to helping the poor or social programs)
-Fasting during Ramadan
-Pilgrimage to Makkah just once
All of those are conditional requirements. If a person is poor and cannot go to Makkah, for example, then they don't have to follow the last pillar.
In addition to those Five Pillars, a Submitter (Muslim) is an active reader of the Qur'an (Or seeker of its information), and seeks to fulfill all of the priorities expressed in the Qur'an.
So your Grandmother could definitely be a Believer, but I don't know if she does what it takes to be a Submitter.
I hope that solves Personal Freedom's question.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:43 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:human (Like a Pope) is divine or has divine right
by Islamic Commune » Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:47 pm
I don't pray 5 times a day, fast during Ramadan (I'm too underweight), or go to Mecca.
Then again I'm still young.
This probably is where Catholics are excluded, then. Not that she believes in humans, but does ask for certain saints to "intercede" for her and those around her.
(In Iberian culture people tend to ask favors for different saints. There are some asked by those seeking health, others seeking safety, others seeking blessings and others seeking even love or lost property; the power used is that of God, but they are seen as specific "messengers" for certain deeds.)
by Personal Freedom » Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:50 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:I don't pray 5 times a day, fast during Ramadan (I'm too underweight), or go to Mecca.
Then again I'm still young.
If you have not yet reached puberty, it's fine. Once you have hit puberty, you start to become accountable for all of your actions and inactions.
Brother, if you are a Muslim, then it is your best interest to try to uphold the five pillars. Of course, there are numerous exceptions.
You might not pray five times a day, probably because you don't know how to pray. That is okay, as long as you are making the effort to learn. There are several 'extras' you can add to prayer, like reciting a surah you've memorized, but it's not necessary. As long as you have the fundamentals, it's good enough. If you would like more help, feel free to send me a telegram.
As for Ramadan, I am not sure if that is an excuse. I mean, if you have a problem where not eating or drinking for a time will cause you to collapse, then obviously you cannot fast. For my age, I am also rather underweight. Yet, fasting from sunrise to sunset will not cause me to collapse if I manage my energy wisely. If you absolutely will cause a fatal injury to yourself if you fast, then you are excused. If not, then try to develop some willpower.
I have also not done my pilgrimage, because I cannot afford it, and I have no means to get there. If I cannot afford to go to Makkah, or I have a problem that prevents me from going there (I might have a broken leg or something), then it is pardoned from me, as it would be pardoned from you under the same circumstances.
I want to give a reminder to try not to lag off in your practice. Remember that when you are outside, you are the face of the Muslim Community, so try to be the best of characters as well.This probably is where Catholics are excluded, then. Not that she believes in humans, but does ask for certain saints to "intercede" for her and those around her.
(In Iberian culture people tend to ask favors for different saints. There are some asked by those seeking health, others seeking safety, others seeking blessings and others seeking even love or lost property; the power used is that of God, but they are seen as specific "messengers" for certain deeds.)
In Islam, we also have certain figures that we know of that are major contributors to the Islamic cause, such as Umar ibn al-Khattab or Saladin or whatnot. However, they are not spiritual figures for us.
The average Muslim rejects the idea that someone must intercede for them in order to contact God. I mean to Muslims, if God is all-seeing, all-knowing, why do people need to ask Clergy to contact God or repent? Why not ask for repentance directly from God?
Islam never really had a clerical body like Christianity had, although there were some failed attempts by the Ottomans. To Muslims, their prayers and repentance are directed only towards God, because God is the only one responsible for those.
Muslims fear that if other are interceding for God, the interceder might eventually be seen as divine, and might be worshipped alongside God. Islam is strictly monotheistic, so this cannot happen in Islam.
Though in Shi'a Islam, the privilege for interpreting the Qur'an is only done by Imams, which are religious leaders who is a descendant of the Messenger Muhammad, and their interpretations are seen as aboslute. In a sense, that is somewhat close to how Catholicism works, excluding the descendant part. Correct me if I'm wrong.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:08 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:Muslims fear that if other are interceding for God, the interceder might eventually be seen as divine, and might be worshipped alongside God. Islam is strictly monotheistic, so this cannot happen in Islam.
by Islamic Commune » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:14 pm
What about Abu Bakr? Was he not a spiritual successor?
by Puerto Tyranus » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:56 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:
@Degenerate Heart of HetRio:
I was reading a book the other day about the Protestant Reformation, and I was interested in how each sect viewed Islam.
Catholics view Muslims as the first Protestants, and that Protestantism is an Islamic plot to cause religious division. That's not far from the truth, because the Ottomans financed the Protestants a lot.
Protestants on the other hand, view Muslims as, "The Scourge of God" sent to the Christians as punishment for their immorality or something of that sort.
by Islamic Commune » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:12 pm
by Geilinor » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:32 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:I have a discussion question, if anyone wants to participate.
Because there is no compulsion in religion in Islam, is it correct to indoctrinate children into Islam? Should children make the final choice once they reach puberty once they want to be a Muslim or not?
I know in Islam, parents have to teach their children about the religion, but to force a child to follow Islam is really not in the ethics of Islam. If I raise a child, I will ask them once they reach 15 whether or not they want to follow Islam or not, and their choice I will accept. What do you guys think about this?
I find that when someone chooses to do something, they are more committed to it, and this applies to religion as well. Those who pledge themselves into Islam when they are mature enough are often more devout than those who were, "born into the faith".
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