Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[Kemalist]

Do you think a Westernized version of Islam is going to come about, is that a good thing, and is it what you currently subscribe to?

(Think 'census christian' who doesn't necessarily go to church or anything, but happens to believe in the stories.)

This is called "Reforemd Islam" they eat pork are accepting of Homosexuals they let women leads Prayers. They sing "Church Hyms of Islam" they are evil Takfiri who inshallah there
little cult stops running around playing "Muslim" and learns pure Islam.

u mad bro?

[Streetgrind]

Do you think a Westernized version of Islam is going to come about, is that a good thing, and is it what you currently subscribe to?

(Think 'census christian' who doesn't necessarily go to church or anything, but happens to believe in the stories.)

This is called "Reforemd Islam" they eat pork are accepting of Homosexuals they let women leads Prayers. They sing "Church Hyms of Islam" they are evil Takfiri who inshallah there
little cult stops running around playing "Muslim" and learns pure Islam.

Hi, yes, homosexuality and women leading stuff isn't necessarily bad

[Alystan]

Bosniakia, this is called Fascism, and a Caliphate won't work at all, because everyone will stop Iran and destroy the Caliphate as soon as its founded. The Caliphate will not succeed as long as you give the people democracy and autonomy...so many divisions. It can't work. Iran is heresy and provocative and wants to fight the Arabs with lies. And you can't just have a dictatorship upon the people, that will cause ethic and religious minorities to leave the Arab world... and bring their case to the UN accusing us of repression and discrimination. Sunnis are the real leaders in Islam, not the Shiahs (Alawis drink alcohol and celebrate Christmas....)

Living in the Western world, I must accept that homosexuality always exist and I don't think it's a problem because it doesn't kill me or maim, or injure me. We as a people must move accept things that are we believe are intolerant to us, I used to be homophobic... and when I realized that I have friends that are gay...I stopped being homophobic... realizing that I need to be tolerant to other people in order to survive. Humans must learn to be tolerant of other people... too many times in history we have come across this fact and it angers me. All the things that Westerners told us about our religion (Discriminatory toward woman and religious minority) are just part of culture and not prescribed by religion. The real constraint to religion is culture.

[Rabopari]

Do you think a Westernized version of Islam is going to come about, is that a good thing, and is it what you currently subscribe to?

(Think 'census christian' who doesn't necessarily go to church or anything, but happens to believe in the stories.)

This is called "Reforemd Islam" they eat pork are accepting of Homosexuals they let women leads Prayers. They sing "Church Hyms of Islam" they are evil Takfiri who inshallah there
little cult stops running around playing "Muslim" and learns pure Islam.

That "pure Islam" is not mentioned anywhere in the Koran.

[Sun Wukong]

This is called "Reforemd Islam" they eat pork are accepting of Homosexuals they let women leads Prayers. They sing "Church Hyms of Islam" they are evil Takfiri who inshallah there
little cult stops running around playing "Muslim" and learns pure Islam.

That "pure Islam" is not mentioned anywhere in the Koran.

Surely "pure Islam" would require getting rid of most of the hadiths.

[Czervenika]

That "pure Islam" is not mentioned anywhere in the Koran.

Surely "pure Islam" would require getting rid of most of the hadiths.

There's actually a sect of Islam that rejects all hadiths and follows only the Quran. They're generally much more liberal than most Muslims, but they suffer from a lack of fixed interpretation; literally every one of them follows Islam differently. They can't even agree on how to pray properly, lol.

[Aurulence]

Surely "pure Islam" would require getting rid of most of the hadiths.

There's actually a sect of Islam that rejects all hadiths and follows only the Quran. They're generally much more liberal than most Muslims, but they suffer from a lack of fixed interpretation; literally every one of them follows Islam differently. They can't even agree on how to pray properly, lol.

That's one of my few issues with getting rid of the hadiths –– there are rituals and things that most Muslims know and sort of take for granted that stem from them, so figuring out exactly how to pray and such would be difficult.

[Kemalist]

That "pure Islam" is not mentioned anywhere in the Koran.

Surely "pure Islam" would require getting rid of most of the hadiths.

Which is good, because most of the backward stuff practised in the name of Islam are based on Hadiths.

[Sun Wukong]

Surely "pure Islam" would require getting rid of most of the hadiths.

Which is good, because most of the backward stuff practised in the name of Islam are based on Hadiths.

No arguments here, but somehow I don't think Bosnak will approve.

[Czervenika]

Surely "pure Islam" would require getting rid of most of the hadiths.

Which is good, because most of the backward stuff practised in the name of Islam are based on Hadiths.

That is very true. Any sect that seeks to get rid of that stuff is cool with me.

[Kemalist]

Which is good, because most of the backward stuff practised in the name of Islam are based on Hadiths.

No arguments here, but somehow I don't think Bosnak will approve.

He's 13. Also a good example of how Sufi are not that "progressive" at all unlike the general assumption.

[Glorious Wonderland]

Of course not all Sufis are proggressive. Some of them are considered deviant from traditional teachings not because of liberalism, but concept of Wahdat al-Wujood. And their worship tend to be personal rather than the fuqaha's 'application of Allah's rule'.

Oh, and I'm a Qur'anist, but I pray traditionally. I feel no problem for it at all.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

This is called "Reforemd Islam" they eat pork are accepting of Homosexuals they let women leads Prayers. They sing "Church Hyms of Islam" they are evil Takfiri who inshallah there
little cult stops running around playing "Muslim" and learns pure Islam.

u mad bro?

Did he just call us takfiri???
I'm sorry are you ulema, bosnakia???? $10 says no

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

There's actually a sect of Islam that rejects all hadiths and follows only the Quran. They're generally much more liberal than most Muslims, but they suffer from a lack of fixed interpretation; literally every one of them follows Islam differently. They can't even agree on how to pray properly, lol.

That's one of my few issues with getting rid of the hadiths –– there are rituals and things that most Muslims know and sort of take for granted that stem from them, so figuring out exactly how to pray and such would be difficult.

I mean I don't follow hadith, but I do look towards it in certain cases in order to try to solve problems that I can't figure out strictly from the Quran... I use it more as a "well, I don't know, so let me see if there's another way to think about this"

[Virana]

Do you think a Westernized version of Islam is going to come about, is that a good thing, and is it what you currently subscribe to?

(Think 'census christian' who doesn't necessarily go to church or anything, but happens to believe in the stories.)

Half the Muslims in Muslim countries don't go to mosque every Friday.

But I do get what you mean, and really, if Christianity's progression is to be seen as a trend, that's the logical next step for Islam.

Surely "pure Islam" would require getting rid of most of the hadiths.

There's actually a sect of Islam that rejects all hadiths and follows only the Quran. They're generally much more liberal than most Muslims, but they suffer from a lack of fixed interpretation; literally every one of them follows Islam differently. They can't even agree on how to pray properly, lol.

It's not technically a sect because there's a complete lack of a centralized belief system (as you said, each of them, which includes me, follow Islam differently). It's merely a mindset to which Quranic ideals are approached, which can take on Sunni, Shia, or even neutral influences.

And we can't agree on how to pray properly because the Qur'an doesn't prescribe a defined method for how prayer is to be conducted aside from a few guidelines, which is evidence that any prayer that follows those general guidelines should be considered "proper".

[Aurulence]

I kind of wish that the poll was changed to ask about which sect we belong to, because it would be interesting to see the demographics.

[Czechanada]

I did once consider becoming a mufti.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Do you think a Westernized version of Islam is going to come about, is that a good thing, and is it what you currently subscribe to?

(Think 'census christian' who doesn't necessarily go to church or anything, but happens to believe in the stories.)

Half the Muslims in Muslim countries don't go to mosque every Friday.

But I do get what you mean, and really, if Christianity's progression is to be seen as a trend, that's the logical next step for Islam.

There's actually a sect of Islam that rejects all hadiths and follows only the Quran. They're generally much more liberal than most Muslims, but they suffer from a lack of fixed interpretation; literally every one of them follows Islam differently. They can't even agree on how to pray properly, lol.

It's not technically a sect because there's a complete lack of a centralized belief system (as you said, each of them, which includes me, follow Islam differently). It's merely a mindset to which Quranic ideals are approached, which can take on Sunni, Shia, or even neutral influences.

And we can't agree on how to pray properly because the Qur'an doesn't prescribe a defined method for how prayer is to be conducted aside from a few guidelines, which is evidence that any prayer that follows those general guidelines should be considered "proper".

I've always struggled to describe myself because I don't fit with Sunni/Shia/etc, so I guess that would describe me mostly... And people telling me that there is only one way to pray just made me so frustrated that I haven't prayed much and I just didn't know what to do, but knowing that there are others who think in different ways than all the sects makes me a little more comfortable.

[Kemalist]

Half the Muslims in Muslim countries don't go to mosque every Friday.

But I do get what you mean, and really, if Christianity's progression is to be seen as a trend, that's the logical next step for Islam.


It's not technically a sect because there's a complete lack of a centralized belief system (as you said, each of them, which includes me, follow Islam differently). It's merely a mindset to which Quranic ideals are approached, which can take on Sunni, Shia, or even neutral influences.

And we can't agree on how to pray properly because the Qur'an doesn't prescribe a defined method for how prayer is to be conducted aside from a few guidelines, which is evidence that any prayer that follows those general guidelines should be considered "proper".

I've always struggled to describe myself because I don't fit with Sunni/Shia/etc, so I guess that would describe me mostly... And people telling me that there is only one way to pray just made me so frustrated that I haven't prayed much and I just didn't know what to do, but knowing that there are others who think in different ways than all the sects makes me a little more comfortable.

Ever heard of Alevi? maybe you might like that.

[Great German States]

Not if it is Nazi based.

How is a theocratic government based on texts predating nazism by more than a millennia going to take influence from nazism?

Muslims are often fascist and anti-Semitic.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

How is a theocratic government based on texts predating nazism by more than a millennia going to take influence from nazism?

Muslims are often fascist and anti-Semitic.

My best friend is a Jew.
Also source or shut up.

[Virana]

How is a theocratic government based on texts predating nazism by more than a millennia going to take influence from nazism?

Muslims are often fascist and anti-Semitic.

Going back to what I've said previously, this comment is like saying "chicken is often infected with salmonella".

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I think it already exists in Turkey, but is much less likely to take place in Western Europe, where they are otherized and value their identity more.

Yea an average Muslim Turk is one who only goes to mosques on special occasions but also drinks alcohol (Raki). Some people seriously surprise me a lot; my friend is obsessed with Jack Daniels he wears its t-shirts or whatsoever, he drinks very good but he once told me he frequently prays and supports Erdogan because he is "religious". Although I live here I have still yet to fully understand our people...

I feel the exact same about mine. ^^

[Czechanada]

Muslims are often fascist and anti-Semitic.

My best friend is a Jew.
Also source or shut up.

That technically would not preclude anti-Semitism.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

My best friend is a Jew.
Also source or shut up.

That technically would not preclude anti-Semitism.

I would say, however, the fact that she just told me, "But you aren't anti-semitic" does