Ethnic Nationalism: Yes, No, Why Not?

[Augarundus]

One generally has to feel superior in order to not "inter-breed" yes?

One could choose not to (inter)breed because of one's own perceived inferiority, no?

Those with genetic disorders may choose not to have children for fear of passing on undesirable traits. Those ashamed of their race may reasonably choose not to interbreed for fear of condemning their child to a socially stigmatized life. Or they may simply feel that interbreeding "dilutes the quality" of a superior race.

[Lithosano]

I repeat, there is no "white" race.

Funny, do you also deny that there is an Asian, Black, native American, and Latino, etc. race?

Yes. Race is a meaningless or ill defined concept with little to no biological reality.

The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin is compatible with the observation that most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them. It is also compatible with our finding that, even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population. Thus, caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes.

Emphasis mine.

Source.

"Race is a social concept, not a scientific one," said Dr. J. Craig Venter, head of the Celera Genomics Corporation in Rockville, Md. "We all evolved in the last 100,000 years from the same small number of tribes that migrated out of Africa and colonized the world."

Emphasis mine.

Source.

[Saiwania]

I never said there weren't different phenotypes. Some people have darker skin, some people have lighter skin, some people have more cartilage here, others have less there, and so on. Still all one race.

It still doesn't change the fact that there are large populations of each of those groups which are self sustainable. I think race is still worth holding onto and recognizing.

[Wikkiwallana]

I never said there weren't different phenotypes. Some people have darker skin, some people have lighter skin, some people have more cartilage here, others have less there, and so on. Still all one race.

It still doesn't change the fact that there are large populations of each of those groups which are self sustainable. I think race is still worth holding onto and recognizing.

Um, what?

[Mkuki]

Ethnic nationalism is blind nationalism. So, no, I don't approve of ethnic, or any other kind of, nationalism.

[Yankee-Arditi]

Funny, do you also deny that there is an Asian, Black, native American, and Latino, etc. race?

Yes. Race is a meaningless or ill defined concept with little to no biological reality.

The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin is compatible with the observation that most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them. It is also compatible with our finding that, even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population. Thus, caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes.

Emphasis mine.

Source.

"Race is a social concept, not a scientific one," said Dr. J. Craig Venter, head of the Celera Genomics Corporation in Rockville, Md. "We all evolved in the last 100,000 years from the same small number of tribes that migrated out of Africa and colonized the world."

Emphasis mine.

Source.

Yes, because no singinificant biological changes could occur in 100,000 years.

[Yankee-Arditi]

Ethnic nationalism is blind nationalism. So, no, I don't approve of ethnic, or any other kind of, nationalism.

Explain how it is "Blind"?

Ilove how many people come here in opposition to nationalism with nothing more than repetive mantras with no substance.

Reminds me of myself a few years ago.

[Pandeeria]

Nationalism is bad.

Also ethic nationalism is silly, as taking pride in your race is kind of silly. It wasn't a choice what race you were born into as, it was just luck.

[Distruzio]

Yes. Partly because of the teh lulz. I look italian or latin but I'm Creole... which makes me black. But more seriously, I support ethnic nationalism because identification by non-cultural reality is preferable to arbitrary and accidental phenomena. Your ethnicity ties you to a particular culture just as much as your place of birth. Your class, your intelligence, your place of employment does not.

[Yankee-Arditi]

Nationalism is bad.

Also ethic nationalism is silly, as taking pride in your race is kind of silly. It wasn't a choice what race you were born into as, it was just luck.

EXPLAIN WHY FOR CHRISTS SAKE!

This whole thread is just convincing me more of the shallowness of anti-nationalism.

[Regnum Dominae]

Nationalism is bad.

Also ethic nationalism is silly, as taking pride in your race is kind of silly. It wasn't a choice what race you were born into as, it was just luck.

EXPLAIN WHY FOR CHRISTS SAKE!

This whole thread is just convincing me more of the shallowness of anti-nationalism.

Ethnic ultranationalism has caused, and continues to cause, many, many wars.

[Skappola]

Ethnic Nationalism is essentially using racism/xenophobia as an excuse as to why you should have your own nation. It's a bullshit arguement unless there is obvious and major tension between the races that could be solved by independence. For example, Palestine and Israel.

[Yankee-Arditi]

Ethnic Nationalism is essentially using racism/xenophobia as an excuse as to why you should have your own nation. It's a bullshit arguement unless there is obvious and major tension between the races that could be solved by independence. For example, Palestine and Israel.

What makes it a Bullshit Argument?

[Skappola]

Ethnic Nationalism is essentially using racism/xenophobia as an excuse as to why you should have your own nation. It's a bullshit arguement unless there is obvious and major tension between the races that could be solved by independence. For example, Palestine and Israel.

What makes it a Bullshit Argument?

Because there's no point to having yet another another government because of the color of a guy's skin and the fact that he eats matzo-balls instead of lasagna.

Unless there is the previously mention major tension between two races, though even then there are better things you can do then just give them a seperate nation.

[Pacifornia]

I can honestly say it's fine to be proud of the culture that you most identify with (me being Honduran, which encompasses Spanish, Amerindian and African culture). Hell, I love eating pupusas (look it up) and singing along with Latin pop! Does that mean I have a rabid hatred and suspicion of non-mestizos?? No, of course not, I admire European, Asian and African cultures and don't play favorites. The thing that unsettles me about ethnic nationalism, or that matter WN, is that it teeters dangerously close to xenophobia and racism. To my white comrades, by all means take pride in your heritage (English, German, French or what have you) but be careful not to be blinded by superiority or ignorance

[Saiwania]

To my white comrades, by all means take pride in your heritage (English, German, French or what have you) but be careful not to be blinded by superiority or ignorance.

That is the form of racism that I want to go for, to maintain a separate White identity and be a part of that with the other races having their own equally capable identities that are separate and unique as well, and yet some won't let it be and are too quick to condemn that.

[Blasveck]

To my white comrades, by all means take pride in your heritage (English, German, French or what have you) but be careful not to be blinded by superiority or ignorance.

That is the form of racism that I want to go for, to maintain a separate White identity and be a part of that with the other races having their own equally capable identities that are separate and unique as well, and yet some won't let it be and are too quick to condemn that.

We won't let it be because there're literally no logical justification for it.

[Regnum Dominae]

To my white comrades, by all means take pride in your heritage (English, German, French or what have you) but be careful not to be blinded by superiority or ignorance.

That is the form of racism that I want to go for, to maintain a separate White identity and be a part of that with the other races having their own equally capable identities that are separate and unique as well, and yet some won't let it be and are too quick to condemn that.

Because there is no logical reason for it.

[Distruzio]

That is the form of racism that I want to go for, to maintain a separate White identity and be a part of that with the other races having their own equally capable identities that are separate and unique as well, and yet some won't let it be and are too quick to condemn that.

We won't let it be because there're literally no logical justification for it.

But white isn't default. Nor is it neutral. It's a race no different than other races. Unless you are saying that differentiation based upon race or ethnicity is, itself, illogically justified.

[Wikkiwallana]

To my white comrades, by all means take pride in your heritage (English, German, French or what have you) but be careful not to be blinded by superiority or ignorance.

That is the form of racism that I want to go for, to maintain a separate White identity and be a part of that with the other races having their own equally capable identities that are separate and unique as well, and yet some won't let it be and are too quick to condemn that.

Except English Identity has fuck all to do with French Identity, and both have fuck all to do with German Identity, just to list the examples in the post you quoted. It's a fucking stupid idea.

[Wikkiwallana]

We won't let it be because there're literally no logical justification for it.

But white isn't default. Nor is it neutral. It's a race no different than other races. Unless you are saying that differentiation based upon race or ethnicity is, itself, illogically justified.

White isn't a race, ethnicity is not "race", there are no races, so differentiating among them is not just illogical but inane.

[The Parkus Empire]

To my white comrades, by all means take pride in your heritage (English, German, French or what have you) but be careful not to be blinded by superiority or ignorance.

That is the form of racism that I want to go for, to maintain a separate White identity and be a part of that with the other races having their own equally capable identities that are separate and unique as well, and yet some won't let it be and are too quick to condemn that.

You can have whatever identity you want. A nation is something else though

[The Parkus Empire]

But white isn't default. Nor is it neutral. It's a race no different than other races. Unless you are saying that differentiation based upon race or ethnicity is, itself, illogically justified.

White isn't a race, ethnicity is not "race", there are no races, so differentiating among them is not just illogical but inane.

I have to object to the notion of black being an ethnicity.

[Wikkiwallana]

White isn't a race, ethnicity is not "race", there are no races, so differentiating among them is not just illogical but inane.

I have to object to the notion of black being an ethnicity.

Good thing I never said that, then, isn't it?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Cultural nationalism is alright.

Ethnic nationalism is stupid.