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Ethnic Nationalism: Yes, No, Why Not?

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Do you agree with Ethnic Nationalism

Yes
76
24%
No
139
43%
I agree with the reasoning, but I don't consider myself one
26
8%
No, there is no such thing as race, therefore ethnic nationalism makes no sense
63
20%
Aliens....
18
6%
 
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Ethnic Nationalism: Yes, No, Why Not?

Postby The Grey Wolf » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:45 pm

How do you feel about Ethnic Nationalism? It is defined by Wikipedia as "Ethnic nationalism or ethnicism is a form of nationalism wherein the "nation" is defined in terms of ethnicity."
I agree with, and support ethnic nationalism. How do you feel?

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:46 pm

No.

Any form of Nationalism is, quite frankly, stupid.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:47 pm

Ethnic nationalism is horrible, any form of nationalism is.
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Postby Avenio » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:47 pm

Ethnic nationalism is a dangerous ideology that should have been left in the dustbin of history in 1945.

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Postby Tenebriso » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:48 pm

Nationalism is a terrible idea.
Ethnic Superiority is a stupid concept with no basis in science, logic, or basic humanity.
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Postby Cadia » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:48 pm

I never liked Nationalism. Never understood it. I see no pride in luck.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:49 pm

I don't see the rationale behind it. When I served, many of the people I trusted weren't my ethnicity. Ethnic nationalism is pointless and stagnant. It's like trying to limit a kind of music from influence.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:49 pm

No.
I don't even understand nationalism all that much. Or even its equivalent in sports, for that matter.
Doesn't make sense to me. It's just blind prejudice.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:50 pm

Tenebriso wrote:Nationalism is a terrible idea.
Ethnic Superiority is a stupid concept with no basis in science, logic, or basic humanity.


Doesn't have anything to do with ethnic superiority. One can take pride in their race and not feel superior to other races.

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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:51 pm

Depends on the type and context of said ethnic nationalism.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:51 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Tenebriso wrote:Nationalism is a terrible idea.
Ethnic Superiority is a stupid concept with no basis in science, logic, or basic humanity.


Doesn't have anything to do with ethnic superiority. One can take pride in their race and not feel superior to other races.


Pride because of your race is also stupid. It's your skin color, it's nothing to be proud of.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:51 pm

It's alright, but no political parties should be built on ethnic nationalism.
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Postby Tenebriso » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:51 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Tenebriso wrote:Nationalism is a terrible idea.
Ethnic Superiority is a stupid concept with no basis in science, logic, or basic humanity.


Doesn't have anything to do with ethnic superiority. One can take pride in their race and not feel superior to other races.

One generally has to feel superior in order to not "inter-breed" yes?
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Postby Minarchist States » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:52 pm

Ethnic nationalism makes no sense in my eyes.

HOWEVER...

If a particular race wants to make a private non-profit organization so they can do whatever they want as long as they don't harm others, I don't see the problem. I don't care if bears shit in woods.

It's alright, but no political parties should be built on ethnic nationalism.


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Postby Blasveck » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:52 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Tenebriso wrote:Nationalism is a terrible idea.
Ethnic Superiority is a stupid concept with no basis in science, logic, or basic humanity.


Doesn't have anything to do with ethnic superiority. One can take pride in their race and not feel superior to other races.


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Postby Aequalitia » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:52 pm

Well, Ethnic nationalism is just wrong, that's already a first NO for it. Second is that Ethnic nationalism mostly cause discrimination against people who are not in the main ethnic group.

So, its a big NO.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:53 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Tenebriso wrote:Nationalism is a terrible idea.
Ethnic Superiority is a stupid concept with no basis in science, logic, or basic humanity.


Doesn't have anything to do with ethnic superiority. One can take pride in their race and not feel superior to other races.

Ethnicity is a hell of a lot different from race. Mexican Americans have way more in common with me ethnically than my Scandinavian ancestors would.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:54 pm

Tenebriso wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Doesn't have anything to do with ethnic superiority. One can take pride in their race and not feel superior to other races.

One generally has to feel superior in order to not "inter-breed" yes?

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Postby Jamzmania » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:56 pm

As the poll says, I do see the reasoning behind it, but I do not really see myself as an ethnic nationalist. Anyone who carries American values in America, anyone who went through the process to move here in order to find a better life, etc. is an American.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:57 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Tenebriso wrote:One generally has to feel superior in order to not "inter-breed" yes?

"Separate but equal."


Until our populace is ravaged by disease epidemics ( because we have literally no immunity in our genetics) and we start experiencing defective conditions from lack of diversity. Gotta love being devastated by smallpox and dwarfism.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:57 pm

Nationalism can be a double edged sword. It tends to create the idea that one group is superior to the other based on nationality, or in this case, ethnicity. It create sectarianism. I don't recommend it, unless people are aware or aknowledge that just because they're from X or Y nation, or X or Y ethnicity doesn't make the superior or better than people from other nationalities or ethnicities.

And as we humans tend to not understand this, or a great number of us don't, no, I don't recommend it.
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Postby Minarchist States » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Nationalism can be a double edged sword. It tends to create the idea that one group is superior to the other based on nationality, or in this case, ethnicity. It create sectarianism. I don't recommend it, unless people are aware or aknowledge that just because they're from X or Y nation, or X or Y ethnicity doesn't make the superior or better than people from other nationalities or ethnicities.

And as we humans tend to not understand this, or a great number of us don't, no, I don't recommend it.


Race is just another dividing label.

Arguably political parties are also sectarian. Anything can become a sect if there is enough adherents, and with that sect comes all the nasty stuff.
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Postby Brain Hand » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:01 pm

If I felt like I belonged to one group or another, I might say that this is great in terms of comradery. However, I haven't been a part of any organization, let alone the other white people around me. No, I think the idea this whole thing is after is comradery, in which case cultural nationalism would apply better.

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:03 pm

Brain Hand wrote:If I felt like I belonged to one group or another, I might say that this is great in terms of comradery. However, I haven't been a part of any organization, let alone the other white people around me. No, I think the idea this whole thing is after is comradery, in which case cultural nationalism would apply better.


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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:03 pm

Pride in your race is stupid.
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